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#151788 - 05/12/06 05:38 AM Re: MIDI & Bands
tony mads usa Offline
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Registered: 01/16/02
Posts: 14377
Loc: East Greenwich RI USA
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Originally posted by frankieve:
I thought the whole point is that we are entertainers and regardless of how we do it, we are here to make the crowd happy and have fun, if it's a midi file, arranger, mp3, tap dance, stip tease, as long as the crowd is having fun and enjoying themselves we have done our jobs,

Depending on your gig, people may be paying to hear your interpratation of that song, or the closet you can get to the recording.

Anyway good playing everyone, kiss and make up


Point #1 - AMEN !!!
Point #2 - "Back in the day" when we had a band, it was GREAT to be able to play the songs of the day in 'our own style' ... then DJs changed all that by playing the original recording ... Now, as Fran said, 'pop' songs have to sound like the record ...
Point #3 AMEN AMEN AMEN !!!
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#151789 - 05/12/06 08:02 AM Re: MIDI & Bands
Dnj Offline
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Registered: 09/21/00
Posts: 43707
Quote:
Originally posted by frankieve:
I thought the whole point is that we are entertainers and regardless of how we do it, we are here to make the crowd happy and have fun, if it's a midi file, arranger, mp3, tap dance, stip tease, as long as the crowd is having fun and enjoying themselves we have done our jobs,



Great post......

& to the purists?......hahahahah Im laughing all the way to the bank

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#151790 - 05/12/06 09:41 AM Re: MIDI & Bands
Diki Offline


Registered: 04/25/05
Posts: 14500
Loc: NW Florida
Listening to these SMF vs, Arranger debates is like watching two one-legged men in a kicking contest.......

Both approaches have their strong and weak points, and with sufficient work, both' weak points can be mitigated. There are as many cheesy Styles out there as there are cheesy SMFs. If you don't involve yourself heavily in editing your Style/SMF (and I don't just mean patches/volumes, but re-RECORD the weaker parts) then you'll never rise above the level of the original file. Period.

All an arranger is is an interactive SMF player (what do you think a Style is?) and holding down a chord with your left hand while the arranger plays 80% of what the audience hears is in no way any more 'legit' than using an SMF and playing two or three of the parts with BOTH hands while the SMF handles bass and drums (and maybe some guitar rhythms if you are a solo). Markers allow for some flexibility of arrangement in the SMF, so the old 'you're stuck with the arrangement' no longer applies.

To be honest, most of the arranger players I've seen (not all, don't get me wrong!) need the arrangers capabilities to overcome their inability to actually play through a song without screwing it up........ at least an arranger will wait for you while you get back on track! But this is hardly a legitimate need for a professional entertainer (or is it?? ;-) )

Let us not delude ourselves. Whether it is an arranger or an SMF, all we are is a cost-effective replacement for a REAL band, and you probably have to sympathize with them while they scratch their heads listening to us split hairs about what is 'legit'!
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#151791 - 05/12/06 11:36 AM Re: MIDI & Bands
cwalkeralso Offline
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Registered: 10/22/05
Posts: 93
Loc: State of Washington, US
Diki

I had earlier decided to avoid posting anything regarding this discussion/debate, but your post made me want to add my hearty AMEN!!! I suspect that the one who posted the original question (which seemed to me to warrant a simple, informative response) was surprised at the cascading "avalanche" it set off.

In the immortal words of Rodney Allen King, "Can't we all just get along?"

Charles

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