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#151128 - 09/10/07 09:37 AM Arghhh - loud key
zuki Offline
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My 3K middle A is now very loud to the touch. It happened on my first job today and is terribly loud, especially in the piano mode. I could hardly concentrate on my performance

Any suggestions? I have to play my next job like that (trying to not play that note at all) and will be able to look at it tonight.

Thanks in advance. Uh oh.....can't wait for these replies

zuki
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#151129 - 09/10/07 09:38 AM Re: Arghhh - loud key
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it gives a loud shrill sound..........
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#151130 - 09/10/07 09:42 AM Re: Arghhh - loud key
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Zuki, having had this happen to me in the past...... your key contact went bad, happens alot on Yamaha's.... the 3k is different and usues a small contact strip instead of having to replace the entire contact strip like on a Psr9k & others etc....I had this done and it cost around $60-100.00 ... you'll have to order the part & it is possible to do it yourself if so inclined ...Otherwise a Yamaha service center can do it easily & hopefully in a timely manner. After that being its a single contact vs a key strip for all the keys just keep your fingers crossed other keys dont have the same problem.

Good Luck

PS: at least you have the Roland E600 to gig with as backup.



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#151131 - 09/10/07 09:57 AM Re: Arghhh - loud key
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Thanks Donny. I'll order the part I guess. The E-600 - no way live. I'd rather keep away from the A note.

zuki
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#151132 - 09/10/07 10:32 AM Re: Arghhh - loud key
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I sold my PSR3000 and bought the PSR-S900 not only for the upgrade, but because of the mileage on my PSR3000.

I always own two of the keyboard that I perform on every day in case one goes bad - and so I don't have to drag a keyboard in and out of the house just to practice and edit my collection of styles, registrations, voices, and multipads.

When I once inquired to my service tech about the contact strip, he told me that it would have to be ordered. I hope that you don't have to wait too long.

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#151133 - 09/10/07 12:59 PM Re: Arghhh - loud key
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I'd rather keep away from the A note.

zuki[/B]


Shouldn't be a problem. Just get Scott to teach you some "rootless chords".

chas
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#151134 - 09/10/07 01:06 PM Re: Arghhh - loud key
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Good one Chas .

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#151135 - 09/10/07 01:45 PM Re: Arghhh - loud key
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Originally posted by cgiles:
Shouldn't be a problem. Just get Scott to teach you some "rootless chords".

chas


Or just use SMF files & sing like all the other fakers .....


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#151136 - 09/10/07 01:55 PM Re: Arghhh - loud key
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Originally posted by Dnj:
Or just use SMF files & sing like all the other fakers .....



Can't imagine Zuki doing that...he's the real deal.

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#151137 - 09/10/07 02:11 PM Re: Arghhh - loud key
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Originally posted by ianmcnll:
...he's the real deal. [IMG]





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#151138 - 09/10/07 02:11 PM Re: Arghhh - loud key
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#151139 - 09/10/07 02:11 PM Re: Arghhh - loud key
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[This message has been edited by Fran Carango (edited 09-10-2007).]
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#151140 - 09/10/07 02:13 PM Re: Arghhh - loud key
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I just got off the phone with a Yamaha tech. He told me the 900 and Tyros are basically the same as far as contacts, etc. Not a good thing to hear.

After 8 months, the 3K is already acting up? What's with that? I don't play like Jerry Lee Lewis. I'm beginning to think that maybe it really is meant to be played at home and not a 2 -3 day gigger instrument

I have also noticed that some of my fills, etc are not behaving the same way as before, which are subtle, but bothersome.

2 boards is a great idea and I would buy another one for the reasons Beaky pointed out, but not if they have that short of life span....

Frustrated at this time because that A note is plain awful....ughhhhhh.

I ordered a strip, but the tech said it could be a number of things such as dirt, etc.

Hopefully this will be minor and I'm just having some bad luck.

zuki
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#151141 - 09/10/07 02:21 PM Re: Arghhh - loud key
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You'll just have to learn 'Take the Ab Train'....

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#151142 - 09/10/07 02:25 PM Re: Arghhh - loud key
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#151143 - 09/10/07 02:29 PM Re: Arghhh - loud key
Fran Carango Offline
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Diki, while I have you here...Did Roland drop the default G1000 piano and the "Sticky keys" rhodes [both my favorite G1000 pianos]..from the G70?

Or maybe edited and renamed them??
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#151144 - 09/10/07 03:47 PM Re: Arghhh - loud key
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Sorry, Zuki that you are having so much trouble.

When you say the fills aren't acting the same, what do you mean? The variation buttons aren't responsive? That happened to my PSR3000's and it was inexpensive to repair.

I owned two PSR3000s and I had various repair issues. I think that in the three years that I spent about $200 in repairs on both instruments.

I think that two PSR3000s or PSR-S900s are a safer bet as far as trouble free gigging than one Tyros 2.

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#151145 - 09/10/07 04:30 PM Re: Arghhh - loud key
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Fran.
Loved the one with the glases.
Can not stop laughing.

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#151146 - 09/10/07 04:42 PM Re: Arghhh - loud key
Diki Offline
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Fran, not sure I know which was the 'sticky' E. Piano.

The A11 main piano is no longer in the G70, but, IMO, the GrandX works in a similar sonic space, but with MUCH greater dynamic timbral range. In fact, IMO, the rest of the pianos in the G70 are a total waste of space. GrandX is SO good, the only other one I use for anything is the Honkey-Tonks...

BTW, if the GrandX is a little dark at times (for rock or pop tunes), try reducing the Resonance by 5, and increasing the Filter Cutoff by 5 in the Tone Edit. It beats (IMO) EQ-ing it brighter, or the MFX Enhancer...

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#151147 - 09/10/07 05:57 PM Re: Arghhh - loud key
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zuki

Try changing your octave select +/- and see if playing in a different register would take care of the immediate problem at least to some degree depending on where you usually play.

Scott

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#151148 - 09/10/07 06:02 PM Re: Arghhh - loud key
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I doubt that will help what ever key is on that rubber contact cap will BLARE out loud when hit.....no matter what octave.

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#151149 - 09/10/07 07:59 PM Re: Arghhh - loud key
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Zuki,

Call Yamaha's customer service department at 714-522-9000 and order the part. The strip is one octave long, it cost under $20, and it's not at all difficult to replace.

As for gigging durability, I've been using a pair of 3000s since the first day they came on the market in the mid-Atlantic region. I have never had to replace a keypad strip or a button board and I perform one to two jobs nearly every day of the week. However, until recently I had a spare strip in my office at all times--just in case. A few months ago, I used my spare to repair a friends keyboard.

Good Luck,

Gary

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#151150 - 09/11/07 02:50 PM Re: Arghhh - loud key
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Originally posted by Dnj:
I doubt that will help what ever key is on that rubber contact cap will BLARE out loud when hit.....no matter what octave.


Well, obviously it wouldn't help that particular key, but, if someone tends to play mostly in a certain range then this could bypass the use of that key.

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#151151 - 09/12/07 04:41 AM Re: Arghhh - loud key
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If it gets worse and your repair parts are not ready, then shut the velocity OFF. That will raise the volume of every note to meet the offensive one.( lousy for piano sounds, but at least constant volume. )

You can then lower the general volume and modify your playing style for a bit till the repair is done.

Not the favorite way to play, but better tyan having that random SHOUT in the middle of a ballad!
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#151152 - 09/12/07 04:55 AM Re: Arghhh - loud key
zuki Offline
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Thanks UD. I'll do that today on my 2 jobs. I should get my strip in today.

zuki
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#151153 - 09/12/07 04:00 PM Re: Arghhh - loud key
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Good luck Zuki ! It'll be all better before you know it !
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#151154 - 09/14/07 05:09 AM Re: Arghhh - loud key
zuki Offline
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FIXED Was a broken contact and a local repair shop fixed it ON THE SPOT! This was a great experience that allowed me to find a center to quickly take care of my woes.

On to the next board now

zuki
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#151155 - 09/14/07 09:16 AM Re: Arghhh - loud key
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Good work Zuki....Im glad your back 100%

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