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#150875 - 03/21/06 05:13 AM To: POSE (Lounge Lizard)
tony mads usa Offline
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Posted by Gary (travelin' easy) in another thread:
Pose (Lounge Lizard) recently hooked up a second center speaker in a parallel connection on his Z-5500 and said the results were incredible, especially for the mid range sounds, and the volume increased a lot.
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Pose ... any more info you can give us on this? ... what spkr, size, how you hooked it up, etc ...

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#150876 - 03/21/06 05:24 AM Re: To: POSE (Lounge Lizard)
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Tony,

Thx for posting that question, I had the same one.

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#150877 - 03/21/06 09:31 AM Re: To: POSE (Lounge Lizard)
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Guys:

When I was at the radioshack picking up parts to re/wire my z5500's I was talking to the owner ( a 50's radio buff) and he was familiar with the logitech's and when I commented the mid was a bit shy and seemed to be running at about the max, He suggested adding a second speaker his thoughts were since it was on its own amp would not affect the ohms thing that much and could possibly enhance the sound, he tried to sell me a speaker saying try and match up to the other in size, I wanted to match up the appearance also so conned Gary out of a spare he happened to have. I put 2 female 1/4" phone jacks into this speaker, (all the rest have one) and just made up a 15' wire to daisy over to second and bought a stand using the alum base idea from Gary. this stand is about 3' in height, the other is the bottom of a drummers throne and I have the controller mounted on this with the speaker on top. both set along side of me and faces forward and to me a tad.

Results is a bunch more volume, and a very noticeably increase in mid range. I had to re/adjust the keyboard eq a tad to get the balance like I wanted. I can crank the eq volume more now and the mid range dosn't start falling apart. I probably will never have to use the boost feature on the z5500's

If i was doing this again and did not have the second logitech speaker I think I would try and find 2- 5 or possibly 6 in speakers in a compact cabinet and put them on stands.

Since I had the phone jacks on the z5500 I did a bit of experimenting, I split the center output to 2-15" combo's I have hanging in my studio and boy what that does you can't believe but you have to lower the volume down on the center speaker control, it runs over the satts.
I reccommend everyone playing out using the z5500's convert them to 1/4" phone jacks they'll give you a lotta options.

This sure made a nice easy to move setup and should work for most any venue. I got to run it a couple nights ago here in the studio with a bass, drums,rhythm guitar and a pedal steel. I had no problem getting over the top of them.

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#150878 - 03/21/06 09:54 AM Re: To: POSE (Lounge Lizard)
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Pose ... thnx ... some pics would be nice if you have any ...
As for mounting the spkrs, both Steve and I have set the sats on a board that mounts in front of the kb ... e-z transport and set-up ...
Steve whats the link to your pics?
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#150879 - 03/21/06 10:13 AM Re: To: POSE (Lounge Lizard)
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Originally posted by tony mads usa:
Pose ... thnx ... some pics would be nice if you have any ...
As for mounting the spkrs, both Steve and I have set the sats on a board that mounts in front of the kb ... e-z transport and set-up ...
Steve whats the link to your pics?
t.


Here they are:
Logitech 1

Logitech2

Logitech3

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#150880 - 03/21/06 10:30 AM Re: To: POSE (Lounge Lizard)
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thnx ...... I can see you are as busy as I am today ...
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#150881 - 03/21/06 11:08 AM Re: To: POSE (Lounge Lizard)
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Originally posted by tony mads usa:
thnx ...... I can see you are as busy as I am today ...
t.


Yea, I can't keep up with the work load today!! Tony my job is like being a fireman, when systems are running smooth got plenty of time to lurk on the zone. Look out though if my phone starts to ring.

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#150882 - 03/21/06 01:44 PM Re: To: POSE (Lounge Lizard)
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Here's some pics










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#150883 - 03/21/06 06:52 PM Re: To: POSE (Lounge Lizard)
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Pose ... very interesting ... how did you get 'into' the sats? ...
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#150884 - 03/21/06 07:00 PM Re: To: POSE (Lounge Lizard)
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Tony,

Getting into the sats is easy. Remove the speaker's front cover, which just fits into four, small, rubber gromets. Beneath each of those gromets, which can be easily removed with a small screwdriver, is a small phillips-head screw. This removes the entire front of the speaker and provides access to the inside.

Good Luck,

Gary

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#150885 - 03/22/06 04:27 AM Re: To: POSE (Lounge Lizard)
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Pose:

That's a neat setup installing the 1/4 plugs on the sats.

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#150886 - 03/22/06 05:20 AM Re: To: POSE (Lounge Lizard)
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Originally posted by Stephenm52:
Pose:

That's a neat setup installing the 1/4 plugs on the sats.


Steve ... is that next for us? ...
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#150887 - 03/22/06 05:24 AM Re: To: POSE (Lounge Lizard)
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Originally posted by travlin'easy:
Tony,
Getting into the sats is easy. Remove the speaker's front cover, which just fits into four, small, rubber gromets. Beneath each of those gromets, which can be easily removed with a small screwdriver, is a small phillips-head screw. This removes the entire front of the speaker and provides access to the inside.
Good Luck,
Gary


Gary.... thnx ... does Radio Shack carry those 'flat' 1/4" plugs?
t.
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#150888 - 03/22/06 06:13 AM Re: To: POSE (Lounge Lizard)
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Originally posted by tony mads usa:
Steve ... is that next for us? ...
t.



I think so.

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#150889 - 03/22/06 07:49 AM Re: To: POSE (Lounge Lizard)
tony mads usa Offline
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Originally posted by Stephenm52:
I think so.



I do ONE wiring job, with a LOT of help from my friends, and now I'm a wiring FOOL !!!
t.


[This message has been edited by tony mads usa (edited 03-22-2006).]
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#150890 - 03/22/06 04:02 PM Re: To: POSE (Lounge Lizard)
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Guys a couple tips if your're going to add the extra center speaker and/or plugs

First Garys dead on for taking the satts apart, only suggestion further is it helps if you remove the 2 screws on the cable clip on the back. the wires are short and you can't get it seperated without removing the whole thing or unpluging the wires from the speaker. these clips have a locking device on them and almost not worth the effort to get them unplugged. Its easier to take the 2 screws from the back.

Second tip. The center speaker removes the same way "But" the three that I've done are glued about 3 inches on both sides at the center of the front panel. The first one I scratched up not knowing what was holding it.

How to! after the rubber and the screws (front and back) are out use a wide flat blade screwdriver with a thin point on the blade, pull up on each end with your fingernails careful not hard enought to crack the plastic, this starts the rubber adhesive to let go, Now holding one end up with yours nails, insert the screwdriver in the small crack back about a 1 1/2" right before the bend. now push down fairly hard (don;t let the screwdriver slip) and twist back and forward while pulling up with your nails it should pop this side loose, now lift this side up and down while pulling up and the other side will break loose. after puting back together press down hard on this area to reseat.

Third tip: Ask for 90 deg. 1/4 mono telephone jacks at radioshack or whereever.
These are a little tricky if you've never done one. Its a piece of cake, but you have to have a couple things going for you. firstoff you have to be very careful not to overheat this plug with a soldering iron. The insulators will shrink and the whole plug will become loose and not make good contact. the neg wire solders to the metal of this plug, you'll need a good higher wattage iron, 30 watt won't do it, probably need about a 150 watt or more. I use 550 watts for this,(but I'm familiar with the gun) what happens here is if you slowly bring the metal up to the temp thats needed to except solder you've heated the whole plug including the insulators, so using a hot wattage iron getting it fast you can get this soldered,befor it heat the whole thing. The best way is using a small vise to hold plugs while you work on them (I use a large spring clothspin type clamp. also a small clamp can be put on the center lug, both works as a heat sink and saves the plug from damage.

This is a lot of soldering to do both ends and make up 5 speaker cables. I have 2 z5500's and did both.

Materials from memory

2-project boxes (2"x4") fits perfect in the recessed slot on the back of the sub. Its a tight fit and you'll have to measure to make sure you have enough room to get 5 plugs in there, but looks good on the back of the sub.

5- 90 degree 1/4" mono phone jacks (male)

5- 1/4" mono phone jacks (male)

10- 1/4" mono phone jacks (female)

? ft lamp cord You need to figure where they're going and how much you need. I used about 70'ft of #16 rubberized stranded copper.( this keeps the stands fairly close in.) If you want to spread them you'll probably need more wire.
The rubbery stuff lays flat on the floor and can actually be coiled up without going every which way.

About 6 feet of wire to go from project box to plugs on sub

5- different colors of paint, markers, whatever if you want to color code
I used center- blue rfront- green rrear-white Lfront-yellow Lrear- red

About 8" velcro to hold on the project box

Last tip: before drilling any holes in the speakers/and/project box make sure there is clearance inside
This should be looked at very closely!!!!

Probably got more things on here than you need, but others might find something here of benefit....

Have fun and watch that Iron on those piano playing fingers...

Pose
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#150891 - 03/22/06 06:28 PM Re: To: POSE (Lounge Lizard)
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Quote:
Originally posted by tony mads usa:
Gary.... thnx ... does Radio Shack carry those 'flat' 1/4" plugs?
t.



Yep, they're in the parts drawer area, along with the 1/4-inch jacks.

Gary

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#150892 - 03/22/06 06:32 PM Re: To: POSE (Lounge Lizard)
tony mads usa Offline
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boo, many thanks for the details ... you've actually saved me from Z-55 suicide !!! ...

Steve ... have fun if you go forward with this ... As for me, I'll be satisfied with the 1/4 " plugs I put on the sub, and stick with the clip plugs on the sats ...
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