Just want to let you know my dealer created a special site for G70 : http://www.rolandg70.com/
In about 1 week from now extra G70 information will be added, including the first review.

Next week the very first demo for Benelux is organized at Oostendorp-Muziek in Wezep.

I hope to get permission to do some recordings and to take some pictures
I'll keep you guys informed !

Roel

Interesting. Especially this line about the keyboard action:

"To support this truly amazing quality sound, G-70 comes with the best keyboard action ever in keyboard history. The properly-weighted keyboard mechanism, with a much longer stroke, even for the feeling of the material, the keyboard originally developed for the legendary G-series has been loved by millions of keyboardists and counts as the best professional action keyboard ever."


Hmmm... sounds like marketing hype but it'll be revealing to see what Roland means by "longer stroke" here.

I must say, there are features in this G70 that might make me part with my Tyros.

1. The Keyboard weight, size, # of keys (76).
2. Fantom X Piano patch.
3. Harmonic Bars with Realtime Sliders
4. Styles with 4 variations, 4 intros 4 endings and even 6 fill-ins.
5. Adaptive Chord Voicing
6. Cover / Make Up Tools for customizing Styles

If this baby plays Mp3's then it becomes a no-brainer for me.

I sure hope the G70 doesn't make all the other arrangers obsolete, because I want to sell my 2k and a VR760 to get one of these gems. This is the first time I'm truly excited about a keyboard in about the last 20 years.

Thanx for the info....
looks interesting..we'll see soon!

What will this monster cost???? I wonder if this keybed they're bragging about is essentially the same one from the XP series????? I say that becaused they boo boo'd on that one. They glued the weightes under the keys and after several years the glue would weaken and off popped the weights.

Squeak

The way I read the info it would mean that they put in the same keybed that is in the G-1000 arrangers, which a lot of people liked and some didn't like because it was too heavy. In other words, it is somewhere between a "synth" or "organ" feel and a "piano weighted" feel; this is sometimes called "semi-weighted". Both the Tyros and the Pa1X are "tongue in cheek" weighted, ie, they have small metal weights affixed underneath the white keys to give them a better feel.

Tom

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Bigger is not always better

That's what I was talking about. I used to own one of the XP boards, and when that board was out everyone was talking about how great the keybed is because it was said that Roland used the same keybed from the G-1000 on the XP line up. If this is the case I just hope they used better glue to keep those weights under the keys.

Squeak

Thanks for the news, Roel! I know the G-series keyboard action. It's a quite good semi-weighted action, but not even close to a weighted hammer action. I believe I renounced forever to have a very good action in an arranger. Unless some "miracle" happens in the technology used to emulate the action of a piano, weighted will always mean "too heavy" for me, and I don't want that. If one day I miss piano action too much (and sometimes I do), I'll purchase a dedicated 88-note piano/synth like a P120 or an S90.

The most exciting thing about the G-70 is this "Adaptive Chord Voicing" technology. I'm very curious about what it'll do for our music making!

-- José.

Looks like the same graphics that were leaked here couple of weeks ago? Who owns the site? And, if its linked to the same guy that was posting, shouldnt he or they be paying this site for ads rather than crappy get the punters juices going posts........?????

[This message has been edited by digitalvision (edited 10-21-2004).]

domain: rolandg70.com
status: production
organization: Muziekcentrum Oostendorp
owner: H. Oostendorp
email: info@oostendorp-muziek.nl
address: Stationsweg 1
city: Wezep
postal-code: 8091AA
country: NL


-mike

Thanks mike.... I hope Digitalvision is satisfied now?
I have no idea what DV's problem is.

I get the impression he does not want us to discuss the Roland G70 and keeps telling us "Its a leak", "the picture is NOT a photographic image", "Who owns the site?", "should he not been paying? " .....etc...who is interested in those OT comments?

Digitalvision: Please do not interfere in threads about products or brands you dislike or do not sell.

Nope. dont sell any, do you?

[This message has been edited by digitalvision (edited 10-21-2004).]

Well I have to be honest, I've done a lot of work with graphic design, and the pic of the new Roland appears to be graphically generated. That's not a bad thing, but from what I see it doesn't appear to be an actual pic of the board on that site.

Squeak

You're a really pain in the XXX. I'm sorry to talk like this but you´re getting absolutely nuts about the G-70. More than the ones (like me) that hope to have one.
1 - I posted the original G-70 "graphic".
2 - I copied it from a Roland email that was send to me as courtesy by a Roland dealer employee which is a friend of mine
3 - I don't mention who for the sake of privacy
4 - It was not a leak
5 - I DON'T PAY FOR ANY SITE ABOUT THE G-70 OR ANY OTHER SITE AND I DON'T SELL ANY KIND OF INSTRUMENTS.
6 - I SELL CARS AND AS FAR AS I KNOW THERE IS NO CAR NAMED ROLAND G-70.

If at least you bother to learn how to read correctly the posts you would know all this by now but you keep preferring to post you're maniac assumptions instead of having a useful participation in this forum. There's a lot of other places where you can post your frustrations. Please do so.This Forum is for sharing MUSICAL INFORMATION, HELP AND EXPERIENCE. That's why its called "GENERAL ARRANGER KEYBOARD FORUM" and not "HOW TO GET A LIFE". If you don't know how to do it, power off your PC (if its yours) and hit the road.
- To all others I'm sorry for the bad tone of this post but DV has been doing nothing but transmitting a bad mood to this forum

Best Regards (to all the others)

[This message has been edited by Minimix (edited 10-22-2004).]

By the way you all can see a detailed FOTO of the G-70 and all other Roland products here: http://www.roland.co.uk/images.htm

Please don't assume this is a "leak" 'cause its just a "link" to Roland PUBLIC product images as you all can see.

Best regards

[This message has been edited by Minimix (edited 10-22-2004).]

The fact that Roland asked someone to intentionally post or pass along information (as discussed in another thread) doesnt cut it with me.
http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/Forum37/HTML/008827.html

If they want to publicise their product they should pay for a banner here and not be underhanded about advertising. Likewise, we shouldnt have to go out and delve up information, and even more, Roland should be doing THEIR OWN FORUM for THEIR PRODUCTS, which WE PAY FOR.

You have to understand the importance of 'the crowd factor' and many users jumping on the bandwagon in these type of situations, and i wont sit idly and watch this type of behaviour going on.

i would also think it in the interest of the bbs owner who has to put a paypal button on the site to keep it going that if companies want to advertise then they pay for it and be upfront about it.



[This message has been edited by digitalvision (edited 10-22-2004).]

...Just more of the same.
Who the hell do you think you are? I've seen no one crying for help here. Like it or not the majority of the posts in this forum goes to a high interest (against or in favor) the G-70. I can't say the same about you're statements. Don't pretend to be THE MIGHTY SAVIOUR OF ALL FORUM USERS. This forum is about Keyboards and this thread is about the G-70 not advertising. You're just taking bad attitude to everybody posting information here and THE ONLY ONE AGAINST IT HIS YOU. YOU'RE THE ONE WHO SHOULD HAVE YOUR OWN FORUM. Everybody in here knows what advertising and publicity is otherwise we would not be old enough to talk about keyboards, buy them and pay for them. If thats your case and you're not grown enough to understand it you also should not be a Internet user.

[This message has been edited by Minimix (edited 10-22-2004).]

HOLD ON THERE !

Nigel NEVER asked for money. WE all convinced him that we WANTED to help keep this valuable site up and running for the GOOD of it's members. Don't send any bad vibes HIS way ...... he keeps this place alive and I'm sure that tiny paypal contribution hardly covers enough as it is!

Let's keep this all in perspective, please. Nigel does WAY more than his share to contribute to the success of all our careers and hobbies.

Don't mess with one of my boys !

you guys have taken this the wrong way or are trying to paint it that way. the discussion went beyond simple 'ive came across some great info when it was supplied by roland in the first place'. of course discussion should be about keyboards, but so long as its on the up and up and NOT IN AN ADVERTISEMENT WAY.

as for nigel or whoever owns this forum, the points i made above were in his favor to get money for advertising rather than have anyone willy nilly coming in spreading ads all over the place. the worlds commercial enough and we get enough ads in our browsers without have to trawl through ad posts.

What's an "...advertising way" of talking about keyboards?
Who "throught the punters juices going posts........?????" (or whatever that is...)
Who is "spreding ad posts?

Who is the only user continuously questioning about all this? : DV

Does anyone has more knews about the G-70 - with or without ads, advertising or publicity ?
Pleeeeease post. The thread is about the G-70

Thank you

Easy guys!!!
This discussion leads to nowhere. Soon the whole truth about the G-70 will be out and all fights about photo or no photo will be obsolete.
As for advertising you shouldn't worry about it DV, most people in this forum love their arranger, whether it's a Yamaha, Ketron, Roland or whatever. There's a whole deal of ad value in that. Whenever a new arranger is on the way I personally am very curious to how it's gonna be, even if it's only rumours. The only post that I can say was "paid for" in this forum would be the one for Mediastation a few weeks back, where all of the sudden a "famous" keyboard player decides to tell us how great the MS is.
This post I didn't find to be bought and paid for like the one I mentioned, and I think most bbs members agree from how I read this post. Also, I ask that all of us refrain from abusive names and language, as this forum has a great history of showing everyone respect. (Look who's talking!)
Have a nice day!

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Roy-Andrè

Quote from the website, "superb guitar sounds together with the appropriate playing technique to complement the arranger functions of G70.". Could this be Rolands way of saying they have technology similar to Yamaha's Megavoices? Roland, of course, would not want to use the Megavoice name.
I would think, if it were, they would hype it more then that.
Starkeeper

That's exact. As I mentioned before in another post, I had the chance to see a Demo here in Portugal (althought the G-70 was not fully functional). One of the tones I tryed was a nylon guitar sound which used splits with the various "noises" - very similar with the Megavoice feature from Yamaha.

Regards

My suggestion is that when people like DV start foaming at the mouth over impertinent topics that we just ignore it. You can't reform people like that. I mean if these people go overboard (which DV hasn't yet, in my opinion), then Nigel can boot the person.

My suggestion to DV is to chill out and play some music - perhaps something soothing.

Beakybird

Thanks Roel!

The site gives us a quick peek at the G-70.. Since it should contain the best of Roland, I hope there's still something new in it. It took Roland 4 years to get this new arranger on the market, so I expect quite a few improvements from them now. I like my VA-7 because of a lot good sounding, life sounds. And I hope the G70 will continue to do so.

Also I'm looking very much forward to hearing the piano-sample in the board, since the pianosound is one of the most important sounds for me. I tried the PA1XPro last week, and the piano did not impress me at all. Sounded too synthy in my opinion.

I will wait, just wait and wait.. and hope to get a good impression of the device november 4th at Leek.. (hopefully able to go there).

Kind regards,
Sander

(I hope this is) A final word about this:
I must agree with you all the way Beakybird. Somewhere I did just that in a previous thread. I started replying again in this thread just because I feel I have the right to defend myself if someone insists on perverting my posts.

Best regards

i would have thought personal civility was in order from fellow 'senior' players (im 54) here, however nevermind, peace to you all.

i will leave this thread by just saying 'beware of the crowd factor' and buying advice on forums is about as much use as an ashtray on a motorbike.

regards.

I don't smoke...

The name of this thread was "New site for G70 !" I think that any Critique about the site and whether or not there was some type of creative marketing strategy by who ever, is in order given the name of the thread.

But I suppose all this is moot given previous posts.

I posted this link before, but it seems not everybody is paying attention :-)

THIS is the REAL G-70, as featured on the ROLAND BENELUX website. Satisfied, DV?
http://www.roland.be/productinfo/productimages/_g-70.jpg

Besides, what this dealer did with the "site" (it's just one page) is nothing special at all. Just look at the official sites for info.
http://www.roland.co.uk/prodcatdetail.asp?ID=G-70



[This message has been edited by Burkels (edited 10-24-2004).]

Larry,

The problem with DV's posts is that they seem to be criticizing the posts like George Kaye's and Minimix's, who have kindly provided to us advance release information, picture of the upcoming keyboard. While this information has most certainly originated at Roland, there was no harm done to anyone by having this well-intentioned information posted here, which the posters believed to be true and accurate (and which mostly was). I, and I am certain, many others in this forum, appreciate the effort people make to share the the advance information with the rest of the forum members. It helps us reassess or plan (or delay) our purchasing decisions to have the best instruments for our needs. Even those of us who are not Roland devotees, are reading these posts with interest, learning about the leading edge of the technology. This is one of the types of posts which attract me to this forum.

The problem is that by ignoring condescending and deprecating rants like DV's, we create an appearance of ambivalence, and create an impression in the minds of people like George or Minimix that we give irrelevant attacks on them as much credence as to their original posts, and discourage them from posting in the future. As a result, we would be enabling a few grouches to stifle the kind of discussion that makes this forum a lively and entertaining location for us.

While you are probably right in not addressing grouchy posts, I think it is important to express our support to the people being unfairly criticized.

Incidentally, a couple of years ago there was a Korg PA80 web site. On its front page it was a posting of "news", the tidbits of information sent by the author by folks at Korg. I thought it was a pretty interesting site, though I think that as the PA80 became old news, the interest has vaned, and the site closed down. This site was run by a Brit named Craig, who went by the pseudonym DigitalVision. Quite an ironic coincidence, isn't it?

Alex,
you must be having me on ?
is DigitalVision the one and only Craig ?
Well that sure explains a lot!!!!!
I can only say that he has not changed a bit since the days of the heralding of the new Korg PA-80.
Sorry Roel, this was supposed to be a Roland thread, perhaps you should start afresh ?!!
(ben benieuwd naar je bevindingen overigens,
curious to see what you make of the new Roland)

regards,
john

I got permission to take pics and record during the demo.

(beware of the crowd factor) this site is full of people from all levels of experience,who own or owned many boards,sure many are biased ,but when seeking advice,you get told the good and the bad,and the last word is TRY IT FOR YOURSELF and see what YOU think,i know i would rather stick with the crowd and trust their judgements than rely on an unknown salesman who may not know jack didley (very little),mike

Mike,

I agree with you about the need of each of us to judge the merit of each instrument for ourselves, no matter how much it is being heralded or put down by others.

But it concerns me when someone tries to shoot the messenger. That is bad for this BBS, and it is plain wrong. Which is why I felt compelled to speak up.

Alex