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#148040 - 01/21/06 05:16 PM Re: what would compliment Yamaha sounds?
rikkisbears Offline
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Hi Tim,
basically all I had to do was connect midi cable
"midi out" Clavinova to "midi in" SD1.
Audio Cable connect
"audio OUT" SD1 to "Audio in" Clavinova.
( the digital piano's normally have the better speaker system, (the sd1 doesn't actually have speakers anyway)
I set the Global midi channel on the SD1 to Midi Channel 1
I set the Clavinova to Midi Channel 1
(transmit/out)

If I want to play melody & styles voices on the sd1
I set Clavinova Local Off ( mutes the voices on the Clav) ie just using it as a controller.

If I want to use the Clavinova Piano Voice, I mute the melody voice/voices on the SD1.
and what I hear is Clav piano, sd1 styles.

Main thing to remember is to set the keyboard up so that it's ready to start as soon as you hit a chord ( sync start)

I can't see why your psr/roland setup should be any more difficult than mine.
best wishes
Rikki
p.s
you didn't actually mention if you were after an arranger type keyboard or a synth/workstation ( which don't actually use styles).

[QUOTE]Originally posted by CoasterTim:
[B]Rikki,
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#148041 - 01/21/06 05:30 PM Re: what would compliment Yamaha sounds?
beachbum Offline
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Registered: 11/18/02
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Very nice info!!
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#148042 - 01/24/06 07:27 AM Re: what would compliment Yamaha sounds?
CoasterTim Offline
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Registered: 06/10/00
Posts: 624
Loc: Allentown, PA, USA
Got the KR7 and PSR3000 together. Since the KR is a piece of furniture, I just placed the PSR on top of it. (They look cool together!) So now I have the PSR audio running into the KR and the KR running into my PS Audio amp and tower speakers. Sounds incredible. Now I'm still trying to get the two to talk to each other - experimenting with playing chords on the KR to trigger the styles on the PSR. That works, but the problem is it works all over the KR's keybed, so I cannot play a melody line with my right hand. How do I isolate the accomp. to the left side of the KR so I can solo with the right hand, using either the PSR's voices or the KR's voices?

Once I master this, I'm gonna try it with the MOTIF and KR.

Tim
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#148043 - 01/24/06 09:12 PM Re: what would compliment Yamaha sounds?
Tapas Offline
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Registered: 11/19/02
Posts: 301
Loc: Phoenix, Arizona, USA
Tim,

Congratulations!!! You are almost there.

Since you have decided to use the Roland KR7 as your Master Controller and you want to play both the Chords and Lead on this 88 note keyboard, this is what you need to do.

Take a single MIDI cable and connect the MIDI Out of the KR7 to the MIDI In of the PSR3000.

Set the PSR with the Split Point at F2#. Do not use the Full Range Chord Scanning Mode. Press the [ACMP], [OTS Link] and [Sync Start] buttons. Your PSR3000 is ready to fly.

The moment you hit a chord below the F2# point on your KR7, the Style on the PSR3000 will start. You should be able to change the chords on the Styles by fingering different chords on the KR7 below the split point.

Any right hand solo part you play on the KR7 above the split point will not change the chords. You will be able to hear the KR7 voices blended in with the PSR3000 Right Hand voice.

This is the basic setup.

You can further experiment by selecting different channels for the Chord and Right Hand parts.

For example, there is a nifty feature named CHORD DETECT on the PSR3000. Basically, you can tell the PSR3000 to detect chord data on one or more MIDI channels of your liking.

You could setup the PSR3000 so that it detects chords note data that are received on Channel 12 while Channel 1 plays the regular Right Hand part.

You should then find if there is a way on your KR7 to split it into two zones each transmitting on a different MIDI channel. You may set the split point on the KR7 at F2#, so that any note played left of this gets transmitted on Channel 12, while anything played right of this gets transmitted on Channel 1.

All you chords played below F2# will be detected as Chord Notes on Channel 12 and trigger the styles.

Essentially, you have to remember 1 cardinal rule. The MIDI Channel of your transmitting instrument must match the MIDI channel of your receiving instrument.

Since we are dealing with 2 parts here - the Left Hand Part for triggering Chords and the Right Hand Part for playing solos, you need to specify 2 distinct MIDI channels to keep things in order.

You can also get by with just one channel - but then you must use a split point on the PSR3000 so it knows which notes it should treat as the left hand chord part and which should be treated as the right hand solo part.

Once you start experimenting you will get the hang of it after a few trials. The Yamaha PSR3000 is an extremely versatile and customizable MIDI instrument with all the Transmit/Receive channels under full user control.

You can network the Motif ES7 in the loop as well.

[KR7 MIDI Out] ---------> [Motif MIDI In]

[Motif MIDI Thru] ---------> [PSR3000 MIDI In]

Think of the MIDI Thru Port as a member that echoes back whatever it receives from the MIDI In port. It is as if your KR7 had two identical MIDI Out ports, and you made this connection:

[KR7 MIDI Out(1)] ----------> [PSR3000 MIDI In]

[KR7 MIDI Out(2)] ---------> [Motif MIDI In]

You could daisy chain several keyboards and sound modules in this fashion utilizing the property of the MIDI Thru port. For example, you could connect a Korg Pa1X into your network like this:

[KR7 MIDI Out] ----------> [Motif MIDI In]

[Motif MIDI Thru] ---------> [Pa1X MIDI In]

[Pa1X MIDI Thru] ---------> [PSR3000 MIDI In]


When you play a note on the KR7, it would trigger the same note on the Motif and the Pa1X and the PSR3000.

Tapas

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#148044 - 01/25/06 05:53 AM Re: what would compliment Yamaha sounds?
Uncle Dave Offline
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Registered: 12/01/99
Posts: 12800
Loc: Penn Yan, NY
Quote:
Originally posted by Tapas:
It is far more natural to play the bass/chords on the lower manual while you play the right hand part on the upper manual. Tapas


Hmmmmmmmm.... not if you never played a 2 manual organ, it's not. I always played a fender Rhodes or an acoustic piano as my staple sound and put a synth on top for bass lines. The synths grew into arrangers and the natural position of the left hand on top for chords has been my preferance.
This also allows for better visual of the many buttons for fills etc, and leaves the speakers unencumbered for best sound.

Just another take on it.
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#148045 - 01/25/06 06:45 PM Re: what would compliment Yamaha sounds?
Fran Carango Offline
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Registered: 05/26/99
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Loc: Levittown, Pa, USA
Here is another take....I would rather just play that KR-7...
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#148046 - 01/25/06 07:13 PM Re: what would compliment Yamaha sounds?
CoasterTim Offline
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Registered: 06/10/00
Posts: 624
Loc: Allentown, PA, USA
Fran,
It really is a fabulous piano. You're welcome to play it any time you want!

Tim
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#148047 - 01/26/06 07:24 AM Re: what would compliment Yamaha sounds?
CoasterTim Offline
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Registered: 06/10/00
Posts: 624
Loc: Allentown, PA, USA
Tapas,

Your help, once again, is very appreciated. I am anxious to try what you suggest as soon as I get the chance...maybe Friday night.

Thanks again, the info is priceless!
Tim
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