Shiral,
The limit is 580kb of memory. You can keep copying and pasting styles into the user memory or record your own original styles or copy different parts of styles into the user memory. I know that many standard midi file songs are in the 50 to 60kb range and I would think that a style would be much smaller than a song. There is no delay in time when choosing a user style. If you want to play a style directly from a disk it takes about 4 to 5 seconds before it loads and begins playing. You can load a style while playing another so there is no pause in your ability to play music. The screen shows now loading while the new style is getting ready to play from disk.
George Kaye
Kaye's Music Scene
Reseda, California

With regards to the fills of PA80. I feel as though there are "2 bands" on stage, one for all the arranger & ending parts, and one that was called ONLY during Fills. In most cases, the 'volume and effect' levels of the fills are a lot higher than the arranger parts, making the transision from Arr - > Fill not so smooth. Also (and some might NOT feel the same), I feel as though as soon as I let go of the key on the RHS, the note immidiately ends - not enough NATURAL sustain, but then again the PA80 has tremendous EDITING abilities to fix this for your custom voices!

Just my thoughts on this!
AJ

Kaye: "The limit is 580kb of memory".


Can somebody describe the difference
between KB, Kb, kB, kb (same for MB, usw).

Krix

Krix,

Here is a breakdown of the technical mumbo-jumbo behind descriptions of computer memory for ya:

b = bit. As you may know, one "bit" of data is a single bit of information; either a 1 or a 0.

B = byte. A byte is 8 bits of information. A byte os often represented as a single character from 0-9 or A-F, but computers see it as 8 bits.

Kb = Kilobits. Literally 1000 bits.

KB = Kilobytes. The most common term to describe memory, a kilobyte is 1000 bytes, or 1000 clusters of 8 bits, or 8000 bits.

Mb = Megabit. Used most comonly in reeference to communications gear, a megabit is a kilobit to a factor of 10, or 10,000 bits of information.

MB = Megabyte, or 1000 Kilobytes, or 10,000 bytes, or 80,000 bits.

kB, mB, etc.. no such terms for computer memory. I think Khz, KHz, and kHz are all different though.... maybe :P

-Shaz

Almost. In the binary world of computers and digital electronics, Kilobits/bytes and Megabits/bytes are actually rounded up to the next nearest power of 2 (because the digital world is binary). So a Kilobit/byte is actually 2 to the 10th power which is 1024. A Megabit/byte is 2 to the 20th power which is 1,048,576.

David Altekruse

Thanks a lot George for the info about PSR2000! And thanks AJ and Gaurdman for suggestions.

As for PA80 fill-ins I totally agree with AJ and Gaurdman. Not just the fill-ins sound like another band, the way the fill-in buttons respond is also odd. Also when you change a voice most of the time the previous voice stops immediately. I would not talk about this much as this thread is not about PA80. If I knew these, I wouldn't have bought a PA80.

Thanks a lot again for all who responded.

Shiral

I responded under the other thread also, regarding the fill-ins and chord recognition.
The 2000 is much easier to operate in real time than the PA80--or maybe I'm just more comfortable with it. Anyway, I'm glad I made the switch. Have to admit, though, the PA80 had good sounds, particularly the drums.
DonM

Hi Don,

I guess for me the styles aren't that big of a deal anyway, as I mainly use them as starting points and scratch pads for ideas for compositions rather than rely on them for live performances. I keep the PA80 though because I can't find an arranger that has sounds that I like better overall, and because it is a pretty good synth in it's own right, for an arranger that is. Some of the fills are a bit out of whack though with the main variations and I could see why a gigging solo act musician would not care for them, although I still think that a majority of its styles are among the best and detailed that I've heard. In addition, preliminary information suggests than in the new O/S, each variation will now have its own fill, for a total of 4 fills per style. If this is correct, hopefully some of the fills will match the styles a bit better

I would have to agree with you though about ease of use, as I feel that accessing some of the PA80s functions in a real time live performance would be distracting if not difficult. I have spent a few hrs now playing around with the PSR 2000 and I can appreciate the ease of accessing its' functions as opposed to the PA80, particularly if I were to go "live" with it. While I see some improvements, I still don't like the patterns as much as Korg's overall, but in a live setting I could certainly live with them. The thing sounds pretty good to me too, better than my 740 i think, but I still think I prefer many of the PA80 sounds just a bit better overall. Still, I am likely going to purchase one after I sell my 740. The one thing I didnt really delve into very much was synth editing. What I did see of it was very very basic stuff, ( adjust eg parametres, modulations, attacks, decays, etc ). Does it have more detailed synth editing or is that it? This isn't that big of a deal to me because with the xg edit function on my XG works software I can change a multitude of parameters, but I wonder if it's worth upgrading from my 740 in that respect? Also, being able to fully edit patches away from the computer, along with the ability to save those changes as user voices, is rather desirable for me at times. If there isn't more deatiled editing internally than what i saw, I'd also be curious to see if the parameters that I can change via xg editing ( pretty close to pro synth editing ) could be saved in a user voice, much in the same way as those parameters can be saved in a midi file and later reproduced via that midifile from within the 740 itself without using the software. That would definetly make me want to upgrade from the 740 if this were the case. I have never cared for the stock hard / overdriven electric guitar patches in the Yamaha series, but with xg editing I found that I can really get some good sounds, along with some pretty nasty synth sounds too

AJ




[This message has been edited by Bluezplayer (edited 11-05-2001).]

Hi A.J.
I agree with just about everything you mentioned! There are some solo instrument sounds I like better on the 2000. The Cool E guitar, Growl Sax, Vintage Amp and Vintage Open Guitar, to name some
The PA80 has the best-sounding harmonica I've ever heard, and the realism of the drums is outstanding. I also liked the way you could write different style variations for chord variations (minor, major 7th, etc.)
I could have waited for the fill-in upgrade, but I couldn't live with the Korg's limited Vocal Harmonizer.
The individuality of the Styles is a Love/Hate sort of thing. The Korg styles are very realistic and expressive, but the more "generic" quality of the Yamaha styles better suits my style of playing. I found that because the Korg styles ARE so busy and full, that the player becomes less important. (The same can be said for Solton). The Yamaha styles provide a good, solid, backing "bed", but leave room for me to add individualism to the song I'm playing.
It's funny how certain areas are very important to one person, and then may not make any difference at all to the next person. It all depends on how you use the keyboard.
DonM

Hey Don,
I got mine !!!
Yeh!!!
510 to a 2000! Now that's Quit a change!
Bought it right here at home.
Let you know more later,
Nobby

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