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#142210 - 01/09/03 04:18 PM Re: why no 88key arrangers?
DanO1 Offline
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Yamaha PF100 + 500 + 1000

Korg SP500

Roland Fp3

To name a few . Dano

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#142211 - 01/09/03 04:36 PM Re: why no 88key arrangers?
sk880user Offline
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seanbaker,

when it comes to sounds and styles, sk880 is an older keyboard. It has the same sounds as SK760, WK6, WK8... the whole WK/SK series was replaced by genesys.

but for me, the sounds are still usable. A true artist can take whatever he has and create music out of it.

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#142212 - 01/09/03 05:18 PM Re: why no 88key arrangers?
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"A true artist can take whatever he has and create music out of it". (posted by SK880user)
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Well said.. I've seen people use Casio CTK's and they completely blew my mind on how well they used them and the sound they were able to bring out.. In the end it doesn't matter what keyboard you really play on.. It's the person sitting behind the thing that really brings it to life..

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#142213 - 01/09/03 06:10 PM Re: why no 88key arrangers?
George Kaye Offline
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There is no pitch bend or modulation wheel on the Roland KF90 or on any of the Yamaha or Roland keyboards that Dan O mentioned.
The Generalmusic SK880 does have the wheels and everything else you want and Ketron makes a baby grand version of their popular SD1 keyboard which has 88 weighted keys but also has a pretty black ebony cabinet you might not like. I don't remember if this product has the modulation and pitch bend controllers like the SD1 though. I'll have to check this out.
Don't expect Generalmusic to come out with an 88 key version of the Genesys anytime soon. Only the 61 key non speaker model will be introduced next week at NAMM.
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#142214 - 01/09/03 06:31 PM Re: why no 88key arrangers?
George Kaye Offline
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The Ketron product is called the DG100 and it comes in polished black or polished white. It looks like a little baby grand with a pop up top and three pedals attached. It has all the features of the SD1 including the modulation and pitch bend wheels, sampler, 16 track sequencer, editable sounds, drawbar organ, 309 styles with 4 variaitons each. In other words.........maybe the arranger for those wanting the full 88 key hammer action feel and a beautiful look in the living room! You can see this prduct at the www.ketron.it website and click on new products and click on DG100.
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#142215 - 01/09/03 08:15 PM Re: why no 88key arrangers?
rhumba Offline
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Registered: 08/03/01
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Loc: Minneapolis, MN, USA
Why don't you give the Korg SP500 a try?

It's an 88-key, weighted, hammer action arranger. The sound and styles are very similar to the PA-80, not as many styles or sounds, but enough to be called an arranger(?)

..rb

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#142216 - 01/10/03 12:25 AM Re: why no 88key arrangers?
seanbaker Offline
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Registered: 07/15/02
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Quote:
Originally posted by rhumba:
Why don't you give the Korg SP500 a try?

It's an 88-key, weighted, hammer action arranger. The sound and styles are very similar to the PA-80, not as many styles or sounds, but enough to be called an arranger(?)

..rb



because it doesn't have a pitch bend or mod wheel. It's a great keyboard though it appears. I'd have to demo it first.

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#142217 - 01/10/03 12:33 AM Re: why no 88key arrangers?
seanbaker Offline
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Registered: 07/15/02
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Originally posted by George Kaye:
The Ketron product is called the DG100


Thanks. That's what I want...if I could get it without the baby grand case, but it does have the pitch bend and mod wheel. Is it the same voices and styles exactly as the SD-1, I wonder?

Anyone have the SD-1? How are the sounds compared to other arrangers? What are the ups and downs of this machine? What sounds do you hate and favor over other arrangers? Compared to the mega voices on the TYROS? I wish I had a store here that had everything so I could just sit and compare all week long. Hmm....

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#142218 - 01/10/03 12:52 AM Re: why no 88key arrangers?
Boldus Offline
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Registered: 12/16/02
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I own a PSR2000 and a Kurzweil pc88. The latter has a great 88 hamer action keyboard. The former has great sounds and a lot of options. At home, I almost never actually play on de Y2k. I use midi so I can play on de pc88 and listen to the Y2k. For me this is a great combination, The sturdiness of the Kurzweil and the options (sequencer, sounds, etc) of the Y2k. At smaller gigs I only bring the Y2k. For more important things I bring them both. This way I have the best of both worlds.

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#142219 - 01/10/03 08:13 AM Re: why no 88key arrangers?
The Pro Offline
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Registered: 07/09/02
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Loc: Atlanta, Georgia
One answer that would solve just about every need mentioned would be a Yamaha S90 and a QY100 or even better a QY700. I'm also a Kurzweil fan and have enjoyed used PC88's and PC2's with arrangers on stage.

However, I pulled a muscle in my back last year for the first time while carting around my Kurzweil and took that as a warning - backs don't last forever and it doesn't take much to end your 88-note keyboard moving days for good. The Yamaha 9000 Pro arranger at 45 pounds is still a pretty good 76-note synth-action compromise to heavier 88-note weighted-action keyboards with less features.
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