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#138777 - 12/15/06 06:50 AM Re: If you were to have ONLY FIFTY styles in an Arranger Workstation ...
SemiLiveMusic Offline
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Registered: 08/28/04
Posts: 2204
Loc: Louisiana, USA
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Originally posted by Esh:
I'd really like to see an arranger with styles that focused on real-world small groups (as in trios and quartets) instead of trying to sound like some huge band with lots of horns and stuff. I mean really - it just looks a little silly to see someone push a button and suddenly sound like Frank Sinatra's full orchestra - it always has and it always will. All that's needed is some basic backing like drums/percussion, bass and light jazz guitar comps. 50 styles that emulated a small tasteful combo would be excellent.


I totally agree! Except that I would not limit it to jazzy stuff.

Often, when I use midi's, I turn off most channels and it's down to what a 4-man band would play. Add me playing over the top of that base and it's a 5-piece band. There are a few songs that I use the entire huge band sound because the midi or style is just so good, but a few sounds is much more real.



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#138778 - 12/15/06 06:54 AM Re: If you were to have ONLY FIFTY styles in an Arranger Workstation ...
CoasterTim Offline
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Registered: 06/10/00
Posts: 624
Loc: Allentown, PA, USA
10 ballad
10 worship/unplugged
10 symphonic/ classical (without rhythm)
10 latin
10 jazz fusion/swing/big band

AMEN to Esh's idea for a super GM set. There's one need that's not been met by any company.
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#138779 - 12/15/06 07:50 AM Re: If you were to have ONLY FIFTY styles in an Arranger Workstation ...
GlennT Offline
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Registered: 12/01/02
Posts: 1790
Loc: Medina, OH, USA
Make sure the Latins include some good old fashioned Rumbas & Cha-Chas.

Country styles should include several older/traditional country as well as newer country.

Glenn

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#138780 - 12/15/06 08:16 AM Re: If you were to have ONLY FIFTY styles in an Arranger Workstation ...
Stephenm52 Offline
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Registered: 04/13/05
Posts: 5126
Loc: USA
Quote:
Originally posted by DonM:
Authentic 50's-60's, Country-Western, Rock, Standards, Blues.
No need for what they now call Dance, or hip-hop or rap. Different strokes!
DonM


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#138781 - 12/15/06 10:25 AM Re: If you were to have ONLY FIFTY styles in an Arranger Workstation ...
Diki Offline


Registered: 04/25/05
Posts: 14194
Loc: NW Florida
10 Reggae
10 Louisiana styles (Zydeco, 2nd Line, Cajun)
30 'Live' type styles. A good cross section of beats, but simple accompaniment with lots of drummer attitude....

I agree I dislike styles that sound unrealistically 'big'. I would MUCH rather have a great tight rhythm section and add the 'big' myself if I need it. Yes, I know you can always mute parts, but usually the rhythm section reflects the whole style, the bigger the arrangement, the simpler the rhythm parts get, not what I'm looking for......
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#138782 - 12/15/06 06:25 PM Re: If you were to have ONLY FIFTY styles in an Arranger Workstation ...
J. Larry Offline
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Registered: 12/14/99
Posts: 521
Loc: University, MS 38677 USA
I agree with much of what's already been said. What if arranger players could build, or select the various options like that on the automobile web sites? What if we could opt-out of "world" styles, or whatever, depending on our preferences and client market, and replace them with a select menu of factory styles of our own choosing? If that were possible, I'd chunk about half of the Tyros 2 styles that never get used, at least by me.

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#138783 - 12/15/06 07:21 PM Re: If you were to have ONLY FIFTY styles in an Arranger Workstation ...
Ketron_AJ Offline
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Registered: 03/21/01
Posts: 3583
Loc: Middletown, DE
Hmmm, so if we were to give you an Arranger Workstation with enough RAM memory to hold say 500 styles at MAP ~ $2500.00 and you were to spend another ~$500.00 to CUSTOMIZE the STYLES with your favorite 300 styles downloadable from our website, would this be an option? This way, you build your own style library from say 800 styles to choose from? Ofcourse you can always load in xxx bonus styles in PATTERN memory.

NB: The Arranger Workstation would come without styles to start with... simply the locations. As for the degree of complexity of the style, the new ARR MUTE (on the SD5) instantly mutes tracks assigned (under ARRANGER VIEW - PAGE 5/5) so you have more control over the 'complexity' of the style. The Interactive Arranger also mutes selected chord parts ONLY when you play lead sections ... this way, you are not in constant 'battle' with your keyboard.

Thanks,

AJ
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#138784 - 12/15/06 07:44 PM Re: If you were to have ONLY FIFTY styles in an Arranger Workstation ...
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Registered: 06/04/02
Posts: 4912
Loc: West Palm Beach, FL 33417
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ketron_AJ:
[B]Hmmm, so if we were to give you an Arranger Workstation with enough RAM memory to hold say 500 styles at MAP ~ $2500.00 and you were to spend another ~$500.00 to CUSTOMIZE the STYLES with your favorite 300 styles downloadable from our website, would this be an option? This way, you build your own style library from say 800 styles to choose from? Ofcourse you can always load in xxx bonus styles in PATTERN memory.

NB: The Arranger Workstation would come without styles to start with... simply the locations. As for the degree of complexity of the style, the new ARR MUTE (on the SD5) instantly mutes tracks assigned (under ARRANGER VIEW - PAGE 5/5) so you have more control over the 'complexity' of the style. The Interactive Arranger also mutes selected chord parts ONLY when you play lead sections ... this way, you are not in constant 'battle' with your keyboard.

Thanks,

AJ, The only thing that concerns me is, “Will my playing keep improving? Or am I spending more time with the buttons or the black and white keys?

Only what came to my mind, John C.

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