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#138457 - 09/27/01 09:04 AM Re: Do you experience delays after FILLís on your arrangers ?
Scottyee Offline
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Hi Tom: The 'timing intervals', number of parts per quarter note (ppq) is frequently refered to as "timing resolution". What this essentially does is quantizes the timing to a specified portion of a beat: 64 ppq = 64 parts per quarter note, 480 ppq = 480 parts per quarter note. The higher the number, the finer (higher) the resolution and more musically accurate it sounds. I somehow doubt that the SD1 'fill in' delay is caused by low timing resolution, but it may be something to consider though.

Luka: please tell us exactly WHEN (what measure, beat and fraction of that beat) you are pressing the fill-in button and also, exactly WHEN (what measure, beat and fraction of that beat) the fill actually begins. - Scott
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#138458 - 09/27/01 02:35 PM Re: Do you experience delays after FILLís on your arrangers ?
George Pchakjian Offline
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Hi Tom.
Try the styles in the B section 51 though 58. You will see what I mean by transition delays. Specially B53. Latin styles in perticular.
The Sd1 that was for sale was for a friend of mine who wanted to sell it, but after a while he got attached to it and changed his mind. he is keeping it after all since I was able to program quarter tones into it.
George.

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#138459 - 09/30/01 11:36 PM Re: Do you experience delays after FILLís on your arrangers ?
Luka Offline
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Scott,
It doesn't matter when the FILL is pressed, it always runs well and catches the quantization of arrange section. Then it comes that first beat of arrange section that is late and everything afterwards runs perfect again.
Luka

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#138460 - 10/01/01 03:15 AM Re: Do you experience delays after FILLís on your arrangers ?
Beakybird Offline
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My Yamaha PSR 740 never has beat delays. Maybe you have a bum keyboard, Luka. You should find a specific situation that causes the beat delay, and find out if another SD3 owner can repeat it. If it can't be repeated on another keyboard, then your keyboard needs repair or replacement.

Larry

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#138461 - 10/01/01 08:51 AM Re: Do you experience delays after FILLís on your arrangers ?
Roel Offline
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Registered: 06/24/99
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Hi all,

Larry : The PSR740 does have timing problems while playing some styles. A friend of mine still owns one and I experienced major delays while playing the samba with organ flutes (drawbars).
In a dutch keyboard-magazine this 'feature' was one of the 'cons' during a review.

An important issue is the 'personal acceptance' of this delay-item. e.g. What is acceptable for me, might be a huge problem for others.

The X1 AND the SD1 have VERY SMALL delays on some styles on the FIRST beat after a fill-in or intro. (Some styles only)
There are also VERY SMALL delays on the FIRST notes played (right hand) after a fill-in or intro.

But as I mentioned before : Acceptable ..... and believe me, my 'tolerance-level' is very low !

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#138462 - 10/01/01 04:16 PM Re: Do you experience delays after FILLís on your arrangers ?
George Pchakjian Offline
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Hi luka,
I was at George K's music store last friday, Made a special visit to show him what you mean by delays on the fill ins, and the Intros, on one specific style which is the Ranchera beat B47 or B48 I beleive.The rest of the styles are fine.
George and I both worked on solving the puzzle,This is what we came up with.
If you go to the drum section on that beat and mute the groove part, you will not notice any delays what so ever. Since the grooves were recorded live on the X1 and the SD1, using a live percusion player, these flaues are inevetable, and to me personally, since I love my X1 so much, that part of it is tolarable and fixable.
You can deleat the groove all together and make your own groove by using the second drum track..
Thank you George K, for clearifying the Issue for us.
George.

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[This message has been edited by George Pchakjian (edited 10-01-2001).]
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#138463 - 10/02/01 08:25 AM Re: Do you experience delays after FILLís on your arrangers ?
Tom Cavanaugh Offline
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George P,
I tried to find the delay in the spots you told me about but I didn't notice any. The delay must be very very small. I'm still happy.

Tom
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#138464 - 10/04/01 08:33 AM Re: Do you experience delays after FILLís on your arrangers ?
Ketron_AJ Offline
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Registered: 03/21/01
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George P.
As I had earlier on mentioned, the GROOVES/LIVE DRUMS are what cause this apparent 'delay' at the start of Arranger parts after a fill/when you change from Arranger to Arranger. In many cases unfortunately (esp in the SD1 where a lot more GROOVES/SAMPLE LOOPS were incoorporated than in the X-series giving it that more true-to-life feeling), mutting/deleting the GROOVE/DRUM2 eliminates the entire drums of the style since 90% of the drum track is GROOVES rather than Keyboard drums (DRUM1). For the X1, mutting/deleting GROOVES may not have too much of an impact (except eg LATIN styles) and the intergrity of the style could still be maintained.
Probably a faster processor in a feature board might truely resolve this.
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#138465 - 10/04/01 12:53 PM Re: Do you experience delays after FILLís on your arrangers ?
George Pchakjian Offline
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Registered: 03/13/01
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Thanks for the info AJ, I would really like the Idea of having a faster processor on both the SD1 and the X1. May be next generation of the SD1 will have it together. Or would you think they would come out with a retrofit processor for the X1 and the SD1, since they claim these keyboards are here to stay and be competitive for the next decade.
George P.
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#138466 - 03/22/02 09:16 AM Re: Do you experience delays after FILLís on your arrangers ?
Ketron_AJ Offline
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Better late than never, right?

We have fixed the delays you used to experience in the SD1 when transiting from FILLx to ARRy in REL 3.0a which can now be downloaded from our website.
We are looking into doing likewise for the X-series soon.
Thanks.

AJ
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