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#136469 - 08/26/07 02:41 PM Re: Why I passed up the PSR S900
ianmcnll Offline
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Originally posted by zuki:
The original is 180 bpm, but I probably should slow it down. It just sounds natural at 180.

zuki



I agree...I always play it at 180 BPM...it just seems to really have the proper groove at that tempo.

Ian
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#136470 - 08/26/07 02:43 PM Re: Why I passed up the PSR S900
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180? no wonder the dance floor is empty

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#136471 - 08/26/07 02:56 PM Re: Why I passed up the PSR S900
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Originally posted by Uncle Dave:
Years ago, Fran and I decided that we didn't need to have hundreds of styles to get through a job. It's NICE to have variations, but all we really NEEDED was a thing that Roland called the "Easy 8".

This was a plug-in card for their RA50, the only real arranger module of it's time, except for the Wersi, but that was not marketed as well, and WAY more expensive.

The EZ 8 had the 8 basic styles needed to play most any generic song style with. Over the years, I've come to reinforce the need for these styles, and even with new additions ...... if i have these 8 staples, I can entertain ANY room for hours and hours.

1) 8bt - slow for ballads, fast for pop
2) 16bt - slow for R&B, fast for funk
3) Rock - nuff said
4) Disco - Motown, Rock and Disco
5) Latin - generic for chacha, rhumba etc
6) Shuffle - slow for 6/8 feel ballads
7) Jazz - softer, hipper swing version
8) 2bt - Polka and Bluegrass

Now, the only blatant omission is the 3/4 for waltzs, but they were usually done at a tempo that did not require a strong drum beat. A good, solid bass and chord pattern could handle most pop and country waltzs.

Now, sure "serious" ballroom dancers crave more specific beats, but the good ones will adapt.

In today's market ..... ad another 10-15 beats and you'll be hard pressed to find a song that won;t fit into one of those catagories!


Well said!!

For a 2-3 hour gig, you can do that with 8-10 styles. With revoicing features and different right and left-hand sounds, you can keep the music going for hours.

And if you make your own user styles that is icing on the cake. If you make 1 style a week, for 2 months, you can have a new batch of styles that are giggerable. The mistake that some people make is that they think a style has to be made complex and use all the style tracks. You only use what is necessary for you to sound good.

It always amazes me when persons would say they would buy an arranger for the “onboard styles”. An arranger does not have to have 200-300 styles for it to be good. You just need 10-15 good ones that work well for you and you create your own to fill the gap.
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#136472 - 08/26/07 02:57 PM Re: Why I passed up the PSR S900
zuki Offline
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Originally posted by Dnj:
180? no wonder the dance floor is empty


'Comon, the folks that dance at your performance can't keep up with 120
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#136473 - 08/26/07 03:01 PM Re: Why I passed up the PSR S900
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I know you're joking, but you'd be surprised at how nimble Donny's "old" folks really are !
He's got couples older than my parents that I couldn't keep up with !
( heck - I don't dance at all ! )
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#136474 - 08/26/07 03:18 PM Re: Why I passed up the PSR S900
ianmcnll Offline
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Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
I believe a good rule of thumb is that if you can hear them huffing and puffing over your music, it's time to cut back the tempo.

Ian
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#136475 - 08/26/07 03:23 PM Re: Why I passed up the PSR S900
Dnj Offline
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Originally posted by zuki:
'Comon, the folks that dance at your performance can't keep up with 120




zuki
anytime you wanna learn how its done ...come see me ....I'll give ya a front row seat at my club....dont be fooled.
& dont "assume"... you'll lose every time.

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#136476 - 08/26/07 03:28 PM Re: Why I passed up the PSR S900
Dnj Offline
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Registered: 09/21/00
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Originally posted by Uncle Dave:
I know you're joking, but you'd be surprised at how nimble Donny's "old" folks really are !
He's got couples older than my parents that I couldn't keep up with !
( heck - I don't dance at all ! )



Listen to my beloved Uncle Dave.....
young or old ...people are people.....
& the "THREE AMIGO" can make em Jump anywhere, anytime, been doin it mucho years !!

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#136477 - 08/26/07 03:31 PM Re: Why I passed up the PSR S900
ianmcnll Offline
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Registered: 07/27/05
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Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
I would love to go see your show, Donny...unfortunately the distance is too great.

Sounds like you have a lot of fun, and at the same time, you entertain your audience thoroughly.

Ian
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#136478 - 08/26/07 04:10 PM Re: Why I passed up the PSR S900
zuki Offline
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Registered: 09/20/02
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Quote:
Originally posted by Dnj:

zuki
anytime you wanna learn how its done ...come see me ....I'll give ya a front row seat at my club....dont be fooled.
& dont "assume"... you'll lose every time.



I'm just teasing you Donny. You've been at this a long time and I know your success. I'd love to see you sometime. I know I could learn a lot more - I'm just a newbie at this, after a long absence.

I'd like to sit down and learn more too on the technical side of things - recording, using the mp3, etc. That's why I'm not post-haste in getting stuff posted for everyone.

Maybe one day, but with our busy schedules, it might have to be when I'm retired

You've always helped me out when asked - thanks

zuki
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