Today my dealer organised the first Dutch presntation of Tyros2, played by Marco Riedijk..... a great keyboardist/entertainer!

The shop was filled with, I guess > 100 people and all were 'shocked' because of this mighty machine.
Great to meet Arno (Impuls) in person and we had a nice chat.

I can only guess how many T2's are sold this morning The presentation is still going on till 17:00h

Great job Henk !! ..... and of course Marco !






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Some pictures of the show.
150 people visited the show from 11:00 to 17:00h

To create enough space Oostendorp had to move about 15-20 organs to the 1st floor.... a hell of a job !

Roel

Looks like a nice turn-out.... funny thing, no one looks to amazed or even interested. Thanks for the pics.

Nice pics, Roel. Must have sounded great with what looks like quite a sound system. Thanks for posting.

Glenn

Lou,
Everybody was VERY interested and enjoying the show... this is how Dutchies (and some German) look/behave when deeply impressed..... sorry for that

The turnout looks great.....I wonder why in europe there is so much more enthusiasm compared to the USA regarding arranger KB's........I betcha many here would love to atend these kind of KB sessions........I remember performing a few back in the 80's for different companies but they have since dwindled to almost none.....your lucky to even find top arramgers in stores today & I live in teh biggest market population area between New York City & Philadelphia.....
anyay great to see so many enjoying Arranger KB music, its come along way & I hope will continue to do so n years to come..

PLAY MUSIC EVERY DAY!!

Hi Donny,

I think I can answer that somewhat:
It is for the same reason why alot of Chinese do Tai Chi in the park every day.
it's good for your body mind and spirit.

What I'm trying to say is that it is a completetly different culture.
Unless you have traveled to other countries and have spent some time there, it is hard to explain.

A lot of americans look for fast and instant gratification. That's why we have Mc Donalds and SO many other fast food places.

Europeans (used to) know that a good meal takes time to prepare and cook and it's worth the wait.
So is learning an Instrument.

The other thing is that most americans want to BE entertaint rather than get up and do something themselfes... see all those stupid reality shows on TV.
Plus having a MP3 player who needs to play?

I hate to say it, but you, Don, UD, Fan and some others are a few exceptions and a dying race...

Just look at how many youngsters from the US are here on the board.
Our youngest recent new member is 17. But wait he is from Romania..... Europe.

It is a cultural upbringing kinda thing; just like americans grow up with football and it's in their veins, Europeans grow up with culture: music, lot's of museums, ancient churches and buildings etc.

You have to grow up with it. It's hard to teach.

Hope this helps

Eric

I have taken this thought process and capitolized on it tremendously....
making it work in my favor
The more people drop out of the "BIZ" ....
Im right there to fill the gap baby....& will continue to do so for a long time coming

A lot of americans look for fast and instant gratification. That's why we have Mc Donalds and SO many other fast food places.

Eric, by this reasoning wouldn't it seem then like arrangers would be just what Americans want? Why buy motif and Triton where you have to compose from scratch when you can have Tyros and PA1X where it could be argued the composition has somewhat been done for you?

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Hey Donny:
"The more people drop out of the "BIZ" ....
Im right there to fill the gap baby....& will continue to do so for a long time coming "
Way da go Keep on rockin..

FAEbGBD:
"Eric, by this reasoning wouldn't it seem then like arrangers would be just what Americans want? Why buy motif and Triton where you have to compose from scratch when you can have Tyros and PA1X where it could be argued the composition has somewhat been done for you?"

The answer is simple:
the original question was regarding so many people having an interest in arrangers in a dutch store during a presentation.
Most of these people and people playing in Europe are home entertainer for their own and their family/friends enjoyment.
That's what's missing in the US.
They are the average person with few Pro's present.

Of course you're completely right with your statement, but most people who buy a synth are in a band and/or are serious musicians.

The average person in the US wouldn't buy one.
But the average person in Europe would buy an arranger to just have some fun and play out on occasion.
That's the difference I was trying to explain in my above post.
I'm talking average person vs (Pro) musicians.

Hope this clarifies it a little better.

Matter of fact is: lot's of arrangers being sold in Europe but not in the US.
Proffessional musicians in a band or studio etc prefer synth's.
In the US as well as Europe. Same there.

There you have it. Different mentality and upbringing.

Eric

One more thing,

in Europe it is vastly more accepted to have a OMB at a wedding or special occasion than a band, even though you'll see that too.
But you do expect a hell of a lot from them: playing the latest music of the pop charts, telling jokes and doing animation/games with the audience, especially at a wedding.

Bands perform more in large clubs, more as a concert kind of venue.

I guess different things are expected from musicians in Europe vs the US.

Eric

in US it's all about LIVE.OK 3 piece combos bands will fill any bar than top arranger giggers.
also the major popularity is AMERICAN
music,country to jazz and blues,audience expects sax player/or slide gtr etc players.Blues/jazz is a major LIVE music that people expects(in malls,any special occations etc ),not pop.if you are 4 piece band(drums,bass,keys or gtr and a horn player it's easy to find band gigs including weddings etc).

another important fact-full band LIVE BAND music also is relatively easier to do (compare to EU)because the demand and self transportation is relatively easier(gas prices to cheaper cars,do you know that in most EU countries ,1 gal of gas is $7).most band memebers have own transportation so lugging you acoustic kit, tube amp,4 x 10 and 88 keys and PA and driving 40 miles everyday is not a big deal here.

Do we really know that arrangers in Europe are primarily used by amateurs?

From reading this and other forums and by manufacturer’s behavior, it would appear that arrangers in Europe are used substantially by professional musicians (musicians that play in public whether full time or part time).

Most of the arranger sales are in Europe (or at least they start in Europe) and arrangers are increasingly coming with more “professional” features i.e. sampling.

One example how manufacturers probably think that there are more professional arranger players in Europe than in the U.S is the Gem release of the Genesys xp module. Originally, that arranger module was not going to be released in the U.S. Modules are usually for gigging musicians who want a lighter set-up. By not originally wanting to release the Genesys xp module in the U.S it would be safe to assume that they believe that arrangers are used more professionally in other places than the U.S.

While there is a sizable market for the home user, I think that is more so in the U.S rather than in Europe. This is so I think because in the U.S the lower-end arrangers (with low quality sounds and styles) have been mass marketed to the home user. The advance features were not demonstrated a lot.

Also, the “professional” musician in the U.S has always looked down on arrangers. One of the reasons that a keyboard player told me is that if it is easy to use, then it is not a “real” keyboard for “professional” use.
Mark you this was around 5 or 6 years ago when some keyboard players enjoyed the fact that the workstations were very intricate and sometimes archaic and not as user friendly as they are today. They enjoyed the fact that workstations were hard to use because they needed to justify to the live instrument playing musicians (guitarist, saxophone players and so on) that it is not just button pushing, but there is an art to electronic keyboards. So if arrangers were looking too easy to use, they would look down on it.

And the cycle continues between marketing arrangers to everyday gigging musicians and the use of arrangers by everyday gigging musicians; which one comes first in the U.S.


While there is a sizable home market for arrangers in Europe, there is probably a big enough market in Europe for the full or part-time musician.

To the genesys:

"Do we really know that arrangers in Europe are primarily used by amateurs?
From reading this and other forums and by manufacturer’s behavior, it would appear that arrangers in Europe are used substantially by professional musicians (musicians that play in public whether full time or part time). "

Yes we do.
I was brought up in Germany and sold technics keyboards for a while.
So I know who came into the store and bought what.

If you read my earlier post you would see why this is: "A lot of americans look for fast and instant gratification. That's why we have Mc Donalds and SO many other fast food places.

Europeans (used to) know that a good meal takes time to prepare and cook and it's worth the wait.
So is learning an Instrument."

What I was trying to say is that Europeans demand much more and higher quality.
Even for the home user.

We can discuss all we want, but as I say unless you have lived over in Europe you'll never understand the mentallity which is so different than here.

But you're right too (which I did mention).
There are a lot of Pro's as well using high end arrangers.

Eric