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#131965 - 08/01/05 06:58 PM My keyboard temporarily 'dies' for a second
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This stinks. It happens quite often. I just did about eight takes, I'm not exaggerating... kept screwing up... trying to record a song from start to finish on psr2000. I finally nailed it and got to the VERY END and pushed "END" and the sound like disappeared for a second. It also does this sometimes when I hit the "Main" a-b-c-d fill buttons. Is this preventable or fixable?

EDIT: I mean the sound just mutes for maybe half a second, then comes back in.

EDIT AGAIN! It kept doing it. Finally turned off board, turned back on. Tried the ending, it worked correctly. Did a perfect take, made it all the way to the very end again and damn it! Muted out again for a split second.

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#131966 - 08/02/05 05:08 AM Re: My keyboard temporarily 'dies' for a second
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Shot in the dark - could this be to do with outputs being muted when the effect type being applied to the voice changes? Could there be a change happening when you press stop?
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#131967 - 08/02/05 05:42 AM Re: My keyboard temporarily 'dies' for a second
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Nothing is muted.

Something is wrong. I gave up last night in frustration after producing several perfect takes and the damn thing kept doing it. I get up this morning, turn on the keyboard in anticipation, did a perfect take and STOP. All sound just stopped. Except, it sounds to me like it does a high hat sound at the very end of the stop. It just stops and then HIGH HAT HIT. And then, split second later, all sound comes back in.

If anyone knows a solution, advise.

P.S. Don't forget, I previously said that this muting behaviour started occurring when I press one of the fill buttons. I know it happens on the D fill button. I press D and expect a drum fill and no, it stops. And, as reported in previous posts, the D fill button... sometimes I press it and NOTHING happens. Like the button switch is faulty. I press it hard as hell and nothing. Then, next time I press it, it might work.

P.S.S. I have reported before that occasionally, this keyboard does something squirrelly. Like, what the heck was THAT? Unexplainable barfs. Minor stuff, it keeps playing but whatever just occurred, it's not 'right.' It will be some minor hiccup unexpected. Yeah, I need a new keyboard but I can't right now. And the dang thing plays absolutely perfectly 99% of the time. I like it. For live use, a MINOR hiccup is acceptable. For recording an important demo, it's a real drag.

If anyone knows anything I can do, advise, please.


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#131968 - 08/02/05 06:35 AM Re: My keyboard temporarily 'dies' for a second
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Bill,

When you hit 3 subsequent notes in the chord part, the accompaniment stops and starts again with the next chord, but I guess you know that.

Other then that, I would suspect a bad ribbon connection or some cold soldering points, because electronics do either work or don't, they don't alternate in between except for bad or corroded contacts.

At the going labor prices for electronic repairs, if you're handy, it would only cost you some time to open it up and check all connectors (even disconnect and connect them again) and a look for cold soldering joints.

The rubber contact under the D button might be getting worn out and needs replacement or some dirt is preventing a good contact (I once found a squashed tiny little fruit fly under a faulty button in a fax machine).

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#131969 - 08/02/05 06:51 AM Re: My keyboard temporarily 'dies' for a second
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Originally posted by John_CA:
When you hit 3 subsequent notes in the chord part, the accompaniment stops and starts again with the next chord, but I guess you know that.


Uh, not exactly, John. Three *subsequent* notes... you mean simultaneous? No, uh, what?

No, I don't know what you mean. In auto-accompaniment mode, I play left hand chords and everything is smooth as silk, there should be no starting and stopping.

Anyway, regardless of my misunderstanding of what you meant, I don't think that has anything to do with my problem. The 'end' button worked fine until now. And the D button worked fine until a few weeks ago.

Does anyone think a Reset would do anything? What do I press to do that? Will I lose registrations?


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#131970 - 08/02/05 07:26 AM Re: My keyboard temporarily 'dies' for a second
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Bill,

You have to be in Fingered mode in order that holding down any three adjacent keys at the same time will play just the drums alone.
If you play 4 keys, the lowest will be a bass note along with the drums.

Holding down C6 at startup will reset, I'm not sure if this one also clears Registrations, but you have your Registrations saved on diskette, no ?

However, I do not think this will solve button problems.

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#131971 - 08/02/05 07:48 AM Re: My keyboard temporarily 'dies' for a second
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I don't think it's a button problem. For this gripe session, talking about the END button... it DOES end. It just doesn't do it the right way. It DOES activate the correct ending... A, B, or C. But it pauses with muting everything for a split second and then does the ending. But then sometimes, it will do it correctly.

I think it's an OS problem or something like that. I have mentioned 'squirrelly' things the keyboard does. Unexplainable things. I think there is something buggy.


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#131972 - 08/02/05 08:12 AM Re: My keyboard temporarily 'dies' for a second
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Bill, is it consistent with one style, or does it do it on various styles? It could be the style is corrupted. Just a thought.
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#131973 - 08/02/05 08:44 AM Re: My keyboard temporarily 'dies' for a second
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Originally posted by DonM:
Bill, is it consistent with one style, or does it do it on various styles? It could be the style is corrupted. Just a thought.
DonM


Darn! I thought you had it figured out! I looked at the full name of the style and it said, of all things FoxSwing...SD1! (Not the SD1's fault... this style used to work for me!) Then I had to figure out where I had the original style stored. I found the original floppy and fired the style up and recorded. Got to the very end... same thing. Ugh. (Also, the D button did the very same thing toward the end on this take... totally stopped all sound for a moment.)


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#131974 - 08/02/05 09:08 AM Re: My keyboard temporarily 'dies' for a second
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It only does that with this style ? The conversion itself has got to be very suspect ... I would think. I've had some of the same issues in One Man Band and before that my PSR2000 with a few of the converted styles, yet the exact same styles played perfectly on my PSR740.

If you absolutely must use this style for this song, you can check it all out if you can record the song to a software sequencer or record it to the 2000's internal sequencer and then open it up in a software sequencer. You should see the "dead spots" in each track's piano roll. You could also modify / stretch / move the notes in the sequencer and get rid of the dead spots.

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#131975 - 08/02/05 09:52 AM Re: My keyboard temporarily 'dies' for a second
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Originally posted by Bluezplayer:
It only does that with this style?


No, I didn't say that. Don suggested it, it sounded reasonable.

Have I ever said how much I hate computers? I swear, is it worth it?

I found the original sytle file on my hard drive. I copied the style over the old style on the work floppy that I have been using. Then, the floppy would not load. Came back to computer, insert floppy, says "not formatted." Now, I have no idea what styles were on that floppy. I have them all backed up but I don't know which ones were on there without a lot of digging through lead sheets.

Then, I formatted another floppy on the psr2000. I copied the original style to the empty floppy. Played the song. Same problem.

A mystery and it's really ticking me off. 24 hours ago, this style was playing fine. It's a glitch with something in the keyboard, apparently.


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#131976 - 08/02/05 10:37 AM Re: My keyboard temporarily 'dies' for a second
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Bill,

Try using any onboard style on the keyboard--not a user style file. Then if the problem is repeatable, it's the keyboard. If not, it's the converted SD1 style file.

Style conversions have the tendency to do some strange things, often when you least expect. They can also be corrupted by other files, which poses other problems when loading or using. I've had some that worked great in one keyboard, and would not even load in another. It's the nature of the beast.

Good luck and I hope you can solve this one,

Gary
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#131977 - 08/02/05 09:02 PM Re: My keyboard temporarily 'dies' for a second
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Bill, Can you send me.... A. the style file itself, and if possible.. a midifile of the song you recorded ?

I totally agree with Gary on this one. Conversions can and often do strange things. Having dabbled in doing quite a few conversions myself, it has become apparent that how a style is converted actually has a lot to do with how well it works. Also, the data inside can be a factor. I've noticed problems with several of the " auto" conversion styles, ala EMC styleworks. Some of them have played poorly in my Yamaha arrangers, but it isn't just a Yamaha problem. I have experienced similar ( and sometimes even worse ) problems with auto converted styles tht I have tried to use in my PA80.

I have no issues with computers. That's just a personal thing I guess. Floppies are another issue. I rank 'em for reliability ( translated ..just when you need them most ) right up there with the Smart media Card. I have had so many problems with both types of media that I now consider it mandatory to bring my laptop and my Usb drives to shows just as a backup for media, even when I am only using an arranger and / or the Motif ES and have no intention of using any vsti synths.

Midi itself can be a strange thing too at times. It seems that so many things can go wrong unexpectedly. With that thought in mind, I guess I stand almost in awe at how reliable the basic arranger functions have been in my PA80 and my previous Yamaha arrangers, except for my original PSR2000, which was buggier than any computer I've ever used.

AJ

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#131978 - 08/03/05 03:49 AM Re: My keyboard temporarily 'dies' for a second
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Originally posted by Bluezplayer:
Bill, Can you send me.... A. the style file itself, and if possible.. a midifile of the song you recorded ?


Hooboy, I woke up tired! From working with this sucker. Thanks for the offer and yes, I will do that if I can resurrect the .mid file on the floppy that I recorded to. I also have the recorded final WAV file where you can hear the dropout.

Still, it's odd that the style played okay for awhile. But again, this 'dropout' problem, I think it happens from time to time with other styles but I'm tired, not 100% sure.

But thanks for saying your psr2000 was buggy for you. Now, I know I'm not crazy. I like this board, I really do but it does some st-range things sometimes.


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#131979 - 08/03/05 04:53 AM Re: My keyboard temporarily 'dies' for a second
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My experiences with the older PSR's...when the total polyphony is reached they would mute for a second or so, untill they recover..I would suspect that maybe the style you are using and the voices are exceeding the polyphony, causing your problem..
Do you have a program[pc] that can show the polyphony being used?
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#131980 - 08/03/05 05:00 AM Re: My keyboard temporarily 'dies' for a second
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Originally posted by Fran Carango:
My experiences with the older PSR's...when the total polyphony is reached they would mute for a second or so, untill they recover..I would suspect that maybe the style you are using and the voices are exceeding the polyphony, causing your problem..
Do you have a program[pc] that can show the polyphony being used?



No, Fran, I do not.

Hmmm... now, THAT is also interesting. Maybe YOU have figured it out. That is very possible. Because I have, yes, found sometimes that the system DOES mute out due to polyphony issues, no doubt about it. I've mostly noticed it when I'm using a right hand certain electric guitar. It doesn't happen very often.

But this is something I have not even considered.


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#131981 - 08/03/05 05:45 AM Re: My keyboard temporarily 'dies' for a second
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OK Bill,

If you can find and send the midifile we can look at it a little and perhaps we can get a better idea. The total dropout thing due to polyphony is another possibility. I didn't have either of my 2000's long enough to have ever experienced this, but Fran miht have nailed it ... and oh yes my first one was really buggy.

I'd probably have to dig up my old posts on it to remember all the things that were wrong, but in a nutshell... it had to do a lot with registrations, saving the wrong data, mixer settings changing for no apparent reason, etc. I was beginning to think it was me.. and that I simply wasn't able to grasp the concept of the board. Then again, the problem was intermittent, which was even more frustrating.

When I finally did send it out for repair, even the tech couldn't believe how messed up it was... In stark contrast, my second 2000 did absolutely everything I wanted it to do flawlessly.

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