While searching for my conversation with Bob Lee..I came across this "dream" machine posting I made...pre G70....Pretty close..huh?

Now if Roland can complete my "dream" machine..soon...like a GX90..

You might want to pay $3500 for that board but they'd be losing money if they retailed it for that. The manufacturing and R&D costs alone would almost certainly make a workstation of that caliber cost twice that amount. Real time controls, extensive software, and high end hardware isn't cheap. Integrating all those components and making them work intuitively is another thing that would take many man hours of programming. It's just not going to happen anytime soon. At least not at that price.

FYI... Wersi has nearly every feature you mentioned with the exception of utilizing expansion cards. It uses VST's if you want to add to your sound palette. Polyphony is only limited by the software used and speed of the CPU processor. Here's a breakdown of some of the features:

Sampling and playback are disk based so no need to worry about RAM limitations. It supports AKAI samples and STS/Sonic Core samples as well.

Cubase was standard since OAS 6 so you've got more Audio and MIDI tracks than you're ever likely to need.

There are 28 real time sliders/drawbars that are programmable. These can be used for the sequencer, audio tracks, styles, level control, and as organ drawbars. There are also other real time buttons and controls that are programmable.

There are 3 pairs of stereo outputs, two microphone inputs, as well as two pairs of audio inputs. Effects/EQ can be applied to the mic and audio inputs.

Effects are all 32 BIT and have extensive editing features. Up to 3 different effects can be used per sound. There is also a global Reverb/Effect section for the main output of the instrument. Multi band EQ per sound and a global EQ are also present.

CDRW, DVD drive, hard drive, and floppy drive are standard.

Storage mediums are Floppy, Hard Drive, CDRW/DVD, or any USB based backup such as Smart Media or SDHC.

The unit has a 2 x 30 watt audio system with built in speakers and sub woofer. The internal Abacus sound system rivals any other arranger bar none. The Wersi Louvre audio system is more powerful than the Abacus and has no equal in a built in audio system.

Using OAA the Wersi can import nearly every arranger style and it will play Yamaha styles directly.

The Abacus Duo comes standard with both a 61 note and 76 note semi weighted (initial and aftertouch) keyboard that has a fantastic key action.

There are optional pedal boards available (13, 17, or 25 note) that further enhance the features of the system.

There are far too many other features to mention.


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Ahhh, Ensnareyou.... but how does it sound?

Oops, that's right. It's the first arranger in history completely incapable of making a recording that sounds like the real thing. A special 'suck' effects block has been added to the recording outputs, to ensure that no-one will ever be able to hear it properly unless they are actually in the room with it.

I'll never look at any of my boards the same again.

Joe

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Sorry, Fran, but your dream is/was my nightmare Pretty close on some things, pretty far off on others!

3 endings, 3 intros, 4 fills and 6 variations... One step forward (6 variations) three steps back. G70 has four Intro, four ending and seven fills. MY dream would be 4 In and Out, 4 variations, but 16 fills (one for each possible route) and four Break/Fills...

And forget the sampler... unless you could load it as fast as a computer, forget it. Nothing short of a computer loads fast enough for practical usage (at LEAST 40 minutes to load up that 512MB )

Forget that DAW, too. It will only add to the cost, and suck compared to a computer DAW. Even the Oasys got this wrong, and it's over 8 grand!

And, for shame! Why replace the G70/G1000's keybed with some organ weighted waterfall rubbish? It's already perfect for both organ AND piano... Mind you, I wouldn't mind another set of contacts that trigger very shallow, for the B3 stuff

Varios has already been tried and it was a DOG

Six separate outs only work if you can route effects to them as well. Roland seem mired in this scheme of no effects on the Direct outs... Mind you, if you could route the VK organ to one, that would be a BIG improvement for those of us with real spinners!

And any stereo 100 watt amp will make the weight well over 44 lbs. or sound like ass!

But keep the Chord Sequencer, Morphing Styles and six SRX boards! Funny, but the main things I like here are the things Roland DROPPED from the G70

But in many ways, it WAS very close to the truth. Had to laugh at Ensnareyou's price estimate. He's too used to being ripped off by Wersi The G70 does have all those realtime controls, at at least a third the Wersi's price. Sure, it's got those DAW things, and the sampler, etc., but I'm not sure they are worth six thousand extra

I can put together a laptop system to do that for about two grand (or less)...

Now, back to sleep, and try to dream something we can afford!

Diki,

It's clear you have an agenda to bash Wersi even though you've never actually heard or played the instrument in person. If I reviewed products like you do (without actually playing them), I could bash your beloved G70 but given the fact I know little about it other than what its sound engine is like, I'll refrain from doing so.

Would you give a Keyboard Magazine review any merit if they concluded a product was crap yet they never laid a hand on the instrument? I'll bet readership would be at an all time low if subscribers found out reviews where done in the same manner in which you review instruments.

Anyone that can conclude with such conviction that an instrument they've never played "sucks" is a fool. You can and do say whatever you like but you lack any credibility whatsoever by attempting to review a product you know little to nothing about. How could you anyway? You've never even seen or played the instrument in person.

Try a Wersi in person then feel free to cast stones as much as you wish. For now you're just full of hot air.

Look, enough of this bull, Ensnareyou.

It's a practical matter. To play a Wersi, I have to drive 1600 miles. YOU wouldn't drive that far to play a Casio, no matter how much bull an owner tried to pass off on you that it sounds MUCH better than the demos, would you?

Didn't think so.

And I'm sorry, but if you can't get the basic point that you can't say that the good demos ARE representative of a real Wersi sound (you bought one based on someone else's CD) but the bad ones AREN'T is just plain rubbish. I have refrained from getting as personal about this as you for a while, but it is time to respond in kind. (sorry, Nigel)

You are an idiot to suggest that only GOOD Wersi demos are representative.

Either a good demo AND a bad demo sound nothing like the Wersi does, or the bad demo is just as accurate as the good ones (wherever THEY are ) You really are the most blinkered idiot I have talked to here in a while, completely unobjective, completely incapable of registering the most obvious points if they differ from your fanatical evangelizing of this overpriced arranger.

Everyone on this forum is capable of extrapolating the REAL sound of an arranger from the demo mp3 (except, of course, you). It will sound just a BIT richer, a bit more detailed. But Ashley Simpson, in SACD doesn't sound anywhere NEAR as good as Ella Fitzgerald at 128kbps MP3. I don't need to hear Ella in person, to know she was a MUCH better singer than Ashley Simpson ever will be.

Apparently, you do...

And, once again, I'm sorry, but if you can't accept that other people will judge a demo that sounds like crap to be representative of the actual instrument, you need to do two things, First of all, decry the demo as crap yourself (that's going to hurt, isn't it?), and point out some better ones. Lord knows, you seem to be utterly incapable of doing one yourself. You've had it how many years, and still haven't made ONE piece of music on it that you are willing to show? Is it THAT bad?

Let me put it in words your blinkered mind might have trouble accepting. I don't hate Wersi's. I hate most everything I have heard coming out of them. And I hate the idiots that try to 'ensnare' me into thinking that I am not capable of judging anything by how it SOUNDS.

How's that collection of Casio arrangers you have? Oh, that's right. You heard the demos, dismissed them as crap, and didn't even try one (or if you did, acknowledged that they sounded pretty much the same as the demos).

I tell you what... I'll post something REALLY, REALLY bad. Then I'll call you a blithering idiot for calling it the way it is. After all, what do YOU know? It will be a high quality MP3. I'll tell you it sounds completely different, another piece altogether if you drive 1600 miles and listen to it through MY monitors. Then I'll get mad at you for pointing out how stupid that statement really was.

OK with you...?
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Sorry, the rest of you, but if this guy can't keep it from getting personal, why should I bother?