Although very nicely performed.....
sound wise, I still think the Roland G70 has the edge in the naked Piano demo..
http://www.roland-arranger.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=481.0;attach=282

I do not disagree. I think that the Roland has a very rich tone to the piano sound. As a piano player, that is one of the things that I value in my digital piano equivalent. I only wish that I could have the best of all the different manufacturers. That would be fantastic.

Regards,

Dennis L. Almond
aka...TwoNuts

Sorry Guys,

I can't here that much diferance. I think they both sound great.

Regards,

Jim

I agree with Jim...they both sound great based on their own merits.

Ian

Thank you also for another 2 minutes of peaceful music. The Yamaha piano sounds great. Trying to choose Y over R of K is really a subjective matter. They are all so good, especially when played in such a soothing fashion.

Cass

Although both are soothing & peacful, I just think the G70 has a slight edge in the subtle nuances of the acoustic piano sound. I dont intend to sell my T2 anytime soon however. Dennis

i agree the Roland has richer sound. however I don't agree that either performance is professional grade

WOW!!!
That's pretty harsh, considering NO ONE mentioned that either sounded professional. Since you wrote in your post that "you don't agree that either performance is professional grade" it would indicate that someone prior to your post mentioned that they were.

I suggest if you are going to make statements to the quality of a performance you stand on your own and say it for yourself.

Just an observation on the way you made your statement.

Regards,

Dennis L. Almond
aka...TwoNuts

[QUOTE]Originally posted by TwoNuts: [B] WOW!!! That's pretty harsh, considering NO ONE mentioned that either sounded professional. Since you wrote in your post that "you don't agree that either performance is professional grade" it would indicate that someone prior to your post mentioned that they were. NO IT'S YOU WHO ARE BEING HARSH BY CRITICIZING M FOR SAYING SOMETHING IS NOT PRO. I LIKE FOR PEOPLE TO POST PRO SAMPLES UNLESS THEY ARE AMATEURS ASKING FOR HELPFUL ADVICE.

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Miami Mo

The post was set up to allow people to compare the pianos on 2 different keyboards, NOT to comment on the performances.

As to the demos, I personally think Yamaha has the edge, however both are fine sounds, and I would be happy with either.

Regarding Pianos, I have just lately been playing around with the True Pianos VST, (I have the trial version loaded into my Abacus) and although I am not a pianist, the sounds of all the different presets are superb. (And the way they can be edited must be shear heaven for piano aficionados)
Enjoy whatever you play

Bill

Mo, what's going on here?
First Dennis is an excellent pianist..I have heard his work in the past..and the piece he played here is still excellent..

I am not a pianist[although I can fool most people into thinking so. ]..

The point of my demo was to illustrate the dynamics of the G70 piano..I purposely tried to change up the touch through out the demo..
Personally I think the dynamic range and character of the G70 is better than the Tyros2..

Only "Pro samples" should be posted, and Amateurs who do cross the line and post samples should be asking for "Helpful Advise".

Got it.

Thank you for clearing that up for me.

Regards,

Dennis L. Almond
aka...TwoNuts

Fran,

Your demo was great for that very reason.
It made it clear to me what you where trying to accomplish. I wanted to post something that had a similar tempo and feel to give others an idea of how the T2 sounds in the subtleties of piano play. I did not capture it as well as you did. But I tried anyway.

I'm definitely a fan of the G70 piano.
Thank you for posting it in the first place Fran.

Best regards, to you.

Dennis

Wow, this can be a tough crowd. Dennis I enjoyed your demo, I too have heard you play piano in the past and my opinion is that you are a good pianist, no doubt about it. I don't understand why people are so critical here, this is meant to share and exhange ideas, we're not trying to get recording contracts. I don't see people like Michel Camilo, Oscar Peterson, Chick or McCoy visiting this board. What's that tell you?

[This message has been edited by Stephenm52 (edited 09-26-2007).]

Well, I liked them both and yes they sounded real soothing and full with rich tones....I'm going to try to keep them on my desktop to listen to them over and over..
Thanks for sharing....it was a pleasure to listen to....BTW. I couldn't choose one over the other either...keep up the good work.....
TR

Dennis, I'm surprised that you think the G70 sounds better than YOUR T2, but oh, well.

As I said, Yamaha, Roland and Korg (plus others) all have TOTL samples in these boards. What I would add though, is that if you were to play the G70 keyboard you would like it even more than the sound. If someone were to midi up the two boards and play the opposite piano on each keyboard, I wonder what reaction that would garner?

And keysvocalssax, I feel that was an unnecessary comment for this thread. If all you want to hear are "professional" samples, you'll be very disappointed here. None of us claim to be right-on recording artists. Lighten up and enjoy.

There are people on sz who are working a lot of gigs, who are giving others serious musical advice, who are getting involved in heated debates-- who post samples that are not professional. By professional I don't mean Michel Camilo and Oscar Peterson, I don't even mean top studio recording artists. i just mean very competent. I just mean professional. If you are busy doing a lot of gigs you are supposedly professional, no? I am all for encouraging people and all for civility in dialogue, and all for having all kinds of players at all levels participate on SZ. It just bugs me that those that represent themselves as pros don't sound to me like pros, and then they funfa and say things like "i wasn't really performing, just trying to demonstrate blah-blah-blah. Hey if you are a player you are a player, and you sound good-- you may make a mistake here and there, who doesn't, but you always sound like a pro.

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Miami Mo

Mo, you couldn't be more correct. However, being correct won't buy you much on this board, as friendships and personal loyalties far outweigh reality and truth. But be very careful. Someone may be scouring the 'net even as we speak, to see if you've got a criminal past or something they can share with the rest of our little community.

Of course, now I will join you on the fecal roster (*hit list) for agreeing with you on something that SHOULD be obvious to anyone who calls himself or herself, a musician.

chas

WOW...AGAIN.

I guess I am just surprised by the level of antagonism.

I certainly did not start this thread to display my musical prowess or lack there of.
I intended to add another keyboard for the members to compare to Frans G70.
I in no way was attempting to convince anyone about anything. I just wanted to continue the discussion regarding the Yamaha Piano Sample and the Roland G70 Sample.
I am truly sorry if in doing so I assaulted your senses with the clearly unprofessional demo of my Tyros 2. That certainly was not my goal. I can see you have a supporter of your opinion, and it goes without saying that you are perfectly within the scope of this forum to state your feelings and misgivings about any particular subject.
I am sure that people will come away from this thread with a clearer perspective on the Tyros 2, the G70 & your character.

Cheers

Dennis L. Almond
aka...TwoNuts

Dennis, the part I agree with is that pro's sound like pro's and any musician can spot the difference between a pro and an amateur. I don't know what that (observation) has to do with my character.

I don't want to speak for Mo (who is perfectly capable of speaking for himself), but I think his beef is mainly with those who constantly tout themselves as consumate pro's but clearly don't play at a professional level. Couple that with a "bully" mentality and you can expect to see that person come take some heat when they put out a "suspect" product.

Nobody cares if you're an amateur or a pro, just don't pretend you're an astronaut 'cause you've had a couple of flying lessons.

chas

I came here to learn from others and to pay back by imparting learning when I'm able. no other reason. I've also had fun participating in the shenanigans that go on here, as well as the serious debates. I have to trust when some give advice that they are truly knowledgeable.. and competence is part of that. One tends to listen when the manner is helpful and the aura is expert. That aura gets shattered when I hear what some post in samples. it's disconcerting and disturbing. there are many ways to compare a t2 piano to a Roland, in a store, in website samples, in comparison sites, etc..etc.. for difference between the pianos. one doesn't have to be a great player for someone else to learn from..but now i have to have 2nd thoughts based on hearing someones's samples, re taking advice to heart from that player re equipment, etc. .Sorry, I'm not here to hurt anyone's feelings gratuitously, but sometimes there's no way to avoid that except to keep silent and I don't think anybody learns anything that way. some here require nothing but support..i call that lookin for love in all the wrong places. you want love, get a dog.(or play your ass off and I'll love you even if you are a nasty sob) I'm not here to make friends but to learn. period.

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Miami Mo

It is amazing how the reason for a post is covered by other subjects. The post starts by giving the reason for the post and then away it goes to the land of debate and sometimes cruel remarks.

I remember posting a subject where I needed some help. I mentioned stopping a music store and receiving poor service and then asked my question. In the first 8 replies I only one answer to my question, the others were off demolishing the store. I wonder where the benefit is.

I must say that some of the stuff that goes on here at this forum IS enjoyable. And so are some of the characters.

John C.

NO, DIKI, NO! Don't sacrifice yourself on the funeral pyres of martydom. Then I'd probably have to go over to the Roland Arranger board to see an occasional ripped-out jugular. You are one of the characters (along with Mo, Scott Yee, Ian, Fran, Donny, et al) that John C. finds so enjoyable. John C. himself is one of the "characters" that I enjoy. I love his stories and his many insights into our musical past and although I may not always agree with his assessment of talent, I know that in some cases he chooses being supportive over being completely candid. .....and in SOME cases, that's okay.

chas

I am with you all the way, Mo!

ve-ry interesting...

The G-70 link doesn't work for me, but I really like the Tyros 2 demo, even though I'm tired of the Yamaha piano sound. I thought his piano playing was really good as well - very relaxing and an enjoyable listen.

Carrie

I concur. This thread has become interesting. Not in the fashion of worthwhile topical interest. But more of a multi-car highway fatality. This thread started out innocuous and without malice toward anyone, and has spiraled down to the level of Professional Vs. Amateur. I guess I don't understand the lack of common courtesy other than to say that it is not so common anymore. We sit in our private space and rail against people that we have never met and don't really know. I guess at some point in time some members have had the feelings injured and are just lashing out in retaliation.

In an effort to clarify the original thread topic. I (TwoNuts... aka Dennis L. Almond) posted a small 2 minute demo of solo piano recoded on my Tyros 2. This was to offer another manufacturers digital piano sample for members to hear without going to another website such as the piano shootout. I wanted to follow up to Frans G70 piano demo. I did not post in malice to say I am better than you or mine is better than yours. But rather to share another piano tone from a keyboard that many people have neither played or own.
Following that original post Donny was kind enough to insert a link to Frans original post of the G70 piano sample. And from that , this is where we have arrived. Very interesting indeed.

It really is no wonder that people are apprehensive to post any personal performances on this forum. I tend to think that the vitriolic criticism that can ensue makes other members shy away from subjecting themselves to that kind of criticism. In the end I believe that most of us post music on the forum because it makes us feel good. Pro or Amateur, there really shouldn't be anything wrong with that.


Regards,

Dennis L. Almond
aka...TwoNuts

pro�fes�sion�al [ pr� f�shən'l, pr� f�shnəl, prə f�shən'l ]


adjective

Definition:

1. of profession: relating to or belonging to a profession
professional people


2. following occupation as paid job: engaged in an occupation as a paid job rather than as a hobby
professional tennis player


3. businesslike: conforming to the standards of skill, competence, or character normally expected of a properly qualified and experienced person in a work environment
professional attitude


4. very competent: showing a high degree of skill or competence
did a very professional job


5. doing something habitually: habitually, and usually annoyingly, indulging in a particular activity
a professional complainer

Number two expains it.

Number 5 is a great example of what happens to often online.

Too many number 5's

I've heard some amatures that could blow the socks off many professionals. I think some folks are way to anxious to slip a dig in.

Oh in case your wondering I'm not good enough to be a rank amatature but enjoy my own racket.

PLAY NICE KIDDIES

Go make some music lighten up and find something to laugh about.

Jerry

It surprises me too how many people simply act like total jerks. This thread is about the piano sound on the Tyros 2 ... that was all. Why in the hell was this diverted to become a personal attack?

If you want to bicker about who is or isn't the best player, then do it in The Bar. That is where that sort of BS belongs. And it certainly isn't appropriate on a thread where that sort of input wasn't even asked for.

Now I can't even leave this thread to continue because I don't trust people to discuss this in a civilized manner. Sorry about that Dennis.