Hi all

Just wondering about if Böhm is a brand any of you've heard of?
Pretty new for me, and I've never seen any post about it here at SZ as far as I remember.

Found it at: www.bohmusa.com

8 different Böhm Silverbird versions are availiable:

Silverbird 5 (5 octave)
Silverbird 7 (76 notes)
Silverbird 7p (76 notes with hammer feeling)
Silverbird 8p (88 notes with hammer feeling)
Silverbird 25 (2 x 5 octaves)
Silverbird 27 (2 x 7 octaves)
Silverbird ‘rack’ (organ expander)
Silverbird ‘accord’ (with different accordion keyboards)




A kind of "Wersi" maybe?

GJ


Sorry for the messy title of this topic,
should have been ..."any of you've heard about"


[This message has been edited by Gunnar Jonny (edited 01-25-2005).]

Gunnar,

I found their info on the intrnet some years ago (3?). I was intrigued by the website blurb, so I actually sent in a request for more information.

The packet I received was mostly in German with inserts translating things into English. There was also a pice list.

From what I understood, this was indeed a Wersi-like instrument, based at the times on Windows 95. I think it might have been a re-labeled Wersi box.

The price was also Wersi-like: well over $7000 when all the options are selected. At the time this was astronomically high, though now it appears Korg is trying to get us used to these numbers.

Regards,
Alex

Hi!
To my knowledge the Geman company Bohm started sales of 'electronic organs' in factory assembeled od DYI kits in the 60s like Wersi was doing at that time.Models known in European organ enthusiast were the 2002 (analog) and the Musica Digital 1030 (Digital!),before the current range.They dont have a Windows/DSP based system like Wersi does , but their newest 'upgrade' for the existing insrtuments range is the 'Crystal Mixer' which is a digital one based on the same 'SHARC' DSP chip like the Creamware/Wersi systems.So probably they will move to this direction.

Hmmm...have to register to download a leaflet and demo of sounds,
but it looks like it's only for you who have
a valid USA adress....
Oh well, I'm not going to move only because of that.

And yes, the prices in the webshop looks to be pretty high.

GJ

Hi Gunnar:
Just spoke to Bohm Dealer here in the
States. The Silverbird 7 (76 keys) fully
equiped with Hard Drive, Vocalizer etc.
can push $12,000. He got very upset when
I asked him if it was based on Wersi. By
the way that $12,000 does not include a
Van to carry it around in.
Bruce

Looks alot like Lionstracs Mediastation 76, even the layout is very similiar...????

If you want to go to Bohm site (address
in original post by Gunnar) just type in
my password to download info on the various
products. There are also some Mp3 Demos.
Password: bohmusa2003
Bruce

Hi,
Böhm and Wersi are 2 different companies. Böhm began as "Dr. Böhm" in the late 50s to sell organs as "Do it yourself kits" and a decade later Wersi did the same.
"Böhm electronic" is not the same company as "Dr. Böhm" but continues to develope the Dr. Böhm technology.
The main difference is, Wersi offers only Windows XP PCs in organ disguise, Böhm offers more reliable instruments.
Well, Böhm made a drawbar organ, based on a PC and the B4 software, but there is no display, no possibility to install applications, this "PC" will only execute the OS and the B4 software and nothing else.
The other products are "Windows free".
Some of these are equipped with a CD RW drive.
Böhm is pretty expensive and IMHO not up to date.
Some people uses top arranger keyboards in an organ housing.


Equipment of an Astrian electronic organ player
see at right side this
[/img]http://www.anb-studio.at/hpkb.anb-studio.at/GalaOrg.JPG[img]
Maybe a good idea, because so you can use the best technology of different brands, but it looks like a good old fashioned show organ.


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RF

PS:
Quote: Trimanual special model, equiped with devices of Technics, Yamaha, Roland, Solton, Kawai, Boss und 13 fold food-pedal.

Great, an eatable pedal. ;-) So the organ player is never hungry.


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Regards
RF

Thank's a lot for the pass Bruce

Wow, it sure was high prices, maybe it's build of gold
GJ

I have heard, over the years, many concerts by top organists in the UK on every make and model of electronic organ that has been on the market during that time. In my opinion Bohm produce the finest sounding instruments that have ever been made and if I ever win the Lottery one of them will be my first purchase (after the champagne).

All I would then want is to resurrect the late Mark Shakespeare to play it for me

Trevor

In the Bohm brochures it specifies
"32 track arranger". This is in addition to "32 track sequencer". Has anyone heard a Bohm and do the styles make use of the possible 32 tracks ?

Sam

This great instruments have been around many, many years, at one time Wersi's counterpart in Germany, I became aware of both brands in early 80s, in the AOAI shows, aldo Bohm electronics was not present, someone gave me part of their literature and I inquire more info from them.

Mark Shakespeare is dead?

Hi Jeremy

Sadly I'm afraid yes he is. He died about 4 years ago at a very early age of a mystery illness. For me he was the greatest electronic organist I have ever heard and that includes Herr Wunderlicht.

Trevor

.

I can't remember I've noticed the name or heard any records
of him, so I did a search and found this webpage: http://www.markshakespeare.co.uk/intro.html

Thought maybe it would be for any interest for some.

GJ

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Hi to everybody.
We use no technology from other brands. We have our own technology. And we build custom organs. Do you know that the Wersi OAS needs up to 15 min. to bootup and reboot. I heared from a Wersi Dealer that the Organs have a lot of problems with the CPU (Overheating). I was working over 25 years at Wersi in Germany and i know very well any Wersi instrument. I choose Böhm, because they are more reliable and sounding better and the cabinets are handcrafted. Personal comment: Technics was not bad, but they got
passed because their old PCM technology. And at least. We at Bohm don't use Yamaha sound boards in our organs like Wersi.

The Drawbar organ MD 42 is a very good seller, because a lot of gigging musicians and churches like this leight weighted organ.

Another personal comment about Bohm is too expensive: You can not have a Mercedes if you can only afford a Volkswagen.

Just wondering about if Böhm is a brand any of you've heard of?
Pretty new for me, and I've never seen any post about it here at SZ as far as I remember.

Found it at: www.bohmusa.com

8 different Böhm Silverbird versions are availiable:

Silverbird 5 (5 octave)
Silverbird 7 (76 notes)
Silverbird 7p (76 notes with hammer feeling)
Silverbird 8p (88 notes with hammer feeling)
Silverbird 25 (2 x 5 octaves)
Silverbird 27 (2 x 7 octaves)
Silverbird ‘rack’ (organ expander)
Silverbird ‘accord’ (with different accordion keyboards)




A kind of "Wersi" maybe?

GJ


Sorry for the messy title of this topic,
should have been ..."any of you've heard about"


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I'm a little confused by this last post.

Gunnar is this you or is this a response from the vendor: Bohm Organs?

If it is Bohm Organs, then a big welcome to you from our little keyboard heaven on the net.

I have taken the time to investigate Bohm Organs and I must say they sound very impressive with an impressive list of features.

To be honest, I own a Wersi Alpha DX350 which I bought about 12 years ago. That was a BIG mistake. I would never buy Wersi again. But at the same time, I am also very shy of vendors who do not have a major presence in the USA. Products like Open Labs Necko and Liontracs scare the heck out of me as far as pricing, support, and support infrastructure like public forums, Bulletin Boards, and 3rd party support for styles and sounds.

I very much would like to audition your products. Where in the USA can one do this?

Thanks
Al

Also, the Silverbird Rack unit looks very interesting.

How much does this sell for in the US?

Al,
In the mid-eighties I also built the WERSI 350DX (in TWO days/nights) and it turned out to be a huge mistake. I remember the problems with downloading styles/sounds from compact-cassette.... a disaster! (tape errors)
Support & Service and knowledge almost nihil.

The 350DX left the house within a few months and it costed me a lot of money.

This adventure will keep me away from purchasing Wersi or Böhm (if fact two German competitors with similar products)

No, it's Böhm who reply by themselves.
A bit messy when use the quote that way...
GJ

Thanks to all who emailed us after our posting here. The Silverbird Rack retail price starts at $7,000 with basic equipment.
And for all MIDI- Freaks: Everybody who know Böhm, they know that Bohm has the best and the complexest MIDI system in their instruments. Our Instruments have 4 MIDI-IN, 4 MIDI-OUT, 4 MIDI-Thru. And you can use them all at on time on all MIDI channels.
No other instrument has more MIDI Features as Böhm instruments. Also we developed the B4D for Native Instruments too. It was the only MIDI controller who can work properly with NI B4 Software. That why NI want to have our product. Only difference is, the NI B4D has a low scale software on it, the Böhm B4D the full version with much more features. Böhm have a big difference between Wersi and themselfes. Böhm build custom instruments in any wood or color. Wersi has only that what they have on their list.
At the moment we build a custom made Emporio 600 in original Porsche Carerra Silver and a Silverbird 8p in a crystal baby grand for on of our customers. The MD 42 is also available as a MIDI controller keyboard without the NI B4 software and PC.
And a little secret from me: Is someone from the UK or Germany knowing the austrian entertainer Udo Juergens?. He play on stage a crystal Schimmel Grand since over 20 years. Guess who build the cabinet and the MIDI controller for Schimmel.

Dear Bohm Organs Usa;

I read your comments with interest. If you are going to make statements, you should be sure that they are factual. Or at least make your statements using words like " I believe, or possibly" Firstly, I would like to tell you that current Wersi systems do not take 15mins to start-up ( far from it). The CPUs do not overheat!! If so, then Intel has a problem, because those are the chipset that are used. I have not heard of any recalls or problems with P4s, have you?

The sounds/styles for the Emporio 600 are pretty good, but I don't know how they compare to the silverbird line. Further, it is not evident as to what sound engine that the Bohm uses, as it is not in your brochures.

Comparitively, Wersi, Open labs, LionsTracs have an open ended operating system which are very inpressive, and allows for upgradeability. How does the bohm compare? Is the silverbirds upgradable without having to buy a new keyboard?

Although it is nice to have ones choice of colors /woods ( I think that fact is much more important for the home organ market where the waf is present), musicians more highly rank sound/styles,features & ergonomics. They would much rather , you speand the money on internal components ( software/hardware, sound, styles etc..)

As for your comment: "Another personal comment about Bohm is too expensive: You can not have a Mercedes if you can only afford a Volkswagen" I don't think musicians/players want something for nothing, but they do want a proper price to performance ratio. They don't want to pay for a Mercedes when all that they are obtaining is a volkswagon.
Competion among top model arrangers, is fierce. Players expect more for their money. $7000 for the base level rack module( what options does one have to pay extra for?) is a considerable amount of money. What extras is one obtaining compared to the competition?

I guess I should ask, who is Bohm's competion for the Silverbird keyboard line? ( ie silverbird 5,7,7p, maybe 8p)

Thank-you
Regards;
BN

I agree with other members about mark shakespeare. His live performances were spectacular. If anyone is interested I have most of his recordings available through my shared folder on kazaalite. This is like kazaa but without the adverts etc. The software filename is kazaalite.2.7.exe. I use the beta4 version.
I think my shared folder is also available through the normal kazaa if you are already a user

Dear BlkNotes
You have full right and I agree in your last post.
I think that Bohm ( and the others ) dont saw or dont want see what the others ( like Mediastation) can offer..
Maybe is beter that they give a look again: http://www.lionstracs.com/index.php?module=Static_Docs&func=view&f=/screenshots.html

Bohm wrote:
And for all MIDI- Freaks: Everybody who know Böhm, they know that Bohm has the best and the complexest MIDI system in their instruments. Our Instruments have 4 MIDI-IN, 4 MIDI-OUT, 4 MIDI-Thru. And you can use them all at on time on all MIDI channels.
No other instrument has more MIDI Features as Böhm instruments. Also we developed the B4D for Native Instruments too. It was the only MIDI controller who can work properly with NI B4 Software.

com on...MAYBE this was 10 years ago...
Mediastation X-76 and the WKX-76 Organ, startup with Jack Audio/Midi connection and will open in default 8 Midi IN and about 20 Midi OUT's. The X-76 Midi routher will connect all in realtime any midi device, like the DSP, IN/OUT device, Linuxsampler, Synthesizers, plus all the added VST plugings and music application
here the example: http://www.lionstracs.com/modules/Static_Docs/data/gui/snapshot8.png

We run the NI B4 too and with ALL the B4 functions linked in the hardware buttons and drawbars in the sliders..
Look well again the demos made with the WKX-76..is the probe.. http://www.lionstracs.com/index.php?module=Static_Docs&func=view&f=/demos.html

About the startup system, Bohm have a LITTLE right, the PC system need time to loading all the OS and configuration, but depend how fast is the CPU and how is configured.
Mediastation right now, need about 50 seconds for startup, but in the next FREE updating system, we will use the " SUSPEND MODE", then in this way the startup need about 14/18 seconds only.

Next soon release is the new Audio-Midi arranger, with Wav and MP3 support, direct streaming from Disk, without limits files size and full high quality Transpose/Tempo change, SAME like the midi.

So....I DONT want totally make and DONT think there that I will make the arrogant, BUT after the Musikmesse in Frankfurt 2005, we dont have really NOTHING to learn from the others and really nobody can compete with Mediastation.
If I say some wrong, just let me know and let me see what is better...

About the price...
Well, officially in the web, mediastation maybe is expensive, but somewhere here in Italy, some Dealers sell the X-76 around Euro 2700...( or less)...

Regards
Domenik

Dear Mr/Mrs ... behind Bohm Organs USA,
it is very nice that you have decided to market the Bohm products in the USA.
High quality products with many selling points.
I beleive that you should concetrate on promoting those points instead of being arrogant and trying to convince everyone how ''useless'' other brands are.
Other companies,i.e. the people in the R&D ,are continuously trying to improve their products, like our friend Domenic and co at Lionstracs or Mr U.Wildhack and co at Wersi.(And for that matter people behind Bohm and every other company).
I respect the work of all these people who struggle to advance the technology in their field.
Every brands technology have its pros and cons.
But nobody is entitled to say ''I am the best and f*** the rest!''

Hi Cosel;

How have you been? I have not seen you here for some time. Have you upgarded your software? I am sure you know that there is a OAS Ver. 7.0 just released. Do you have any experience with it?

PS-what is your email address so that I may contact you from time to time.


Thanks
Regards;
BN

Dear Domenik;

Can you give an email address that I may contact you at. This information is not available on your webpage.Thank-you


Regards;
BN

Hi Blknotes;
Yes indeed,I have been extremely busy with my software development business for some time now, so no much time for anything else.
Unfortunately I have not done any upgrades on my Abacus,and on top of that I started my summer(playing)season.So probably the upgrade will be postponed.
Of cource(!) I know that OAS V7.0 will be released soon and it just looks moving to the right direction.(direct VST intergation ,more sound generators etc).I have to find out if I have to go through all the updates (4,5 and 6)before installing V7..
Also the XeniOS double keyboard looks promising -especially if the weight is only 20kg.
I am shue I will find a way to give you my email adress without exposing it to the internet and I will keep you posted.

Dear BlkNotes
Here my email: domenico@lionstracs.com

here some news shots:
COMBI Patch sounds http://www.lionstracs.com/modules/Static_Docs/data/gui/combi.png

Arranger MAIN: ( then you sure that Mediastation have the arranger too...) http://www.lionstracs.com/modules/Static_Docs/data/gui/arranger.png


Microphones: http://www.lionstracs.com/modules/Static_Docs/data/gui/mic.png

Some VST opened.. http://www.lionstracs.com/modules/Static_Docs/data/gui/vst.png

Some Audio/Midi routing... http://www.lionstracs.com/modules/Static_Docs/data/gui/midivst.png


Arpeggiator: http://www.lionstracs.com/modules/Static_Docs/data/gui/arp.png

Regards
Domenik


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Hi!



Böhm is a German company that mainly produces organs. My father bought a "Dr. Böhm Top Sound DS" organ about 20 years ago. It was pretty expensive, even the do-it-yourself kit which consisted of single parts that had to be assembled and solded costed about 5000 €.

I played it several years and it was a nice instrument for that time. Actually we still have it but it's not working any more.

Regards, Tanja

Never realised Dr. Böhm was still in business. This was the first brand I considered buying (building) when looking for organs in the 60's.


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