Ineed to know what is best arranger? Im starting new to with Ensoniq TS10, drum machine and prhase sampler(forget which one) but need backbeat to play along with. Can PSR2000 sync to TS!0? Looking for somethihng to do rap and lofi samples help arreciated

jj(newbiew)

Welcome aboard. There should be no problem syncing the two keyboards via midi.
As far as which is best--that's open to much discussion. You can search the archives here and find hours of debate on this subject.
The PSR2000 almost undoubtedly has the most features for the price.
DonM

thanks donm.what is best price for a psr2000.?

jj(newbie)

George Kaye or DanO can give you a price. I would recommend buying from one of them because they can help you after the sale.
Somewhere around $1000. I would think.
Don

Hi Don,

I thought I settled this discussion long ago. The Yamaha 9000PRO is the best bar none. (Gosh, hope I didn't start anything, Uncle Dave knows I'm right.)

Steve

Hi Steve,
Well the 9000 Pro is certainly a good one. I still prefer the "live" sound of the Ketrons though. I wasn't quite able to get it from the 9000 or the 2000, although they both sound excellent.
I haven't heard or tried a Pro, although I thought about it. I'm moving just about every night, and sometimes twice a day. Weight is important and the 9000 and the Pro are pretty heavy for an old man my age
Now if we could get Yamaha's operating system and keyboard layout and the neat little lights that plug in, and Ketron's drum sounds and styles, and maybe the joystick from PA80, and Technics style/song conversion and Cascio's price, and . . .(fill in the blanks), all in one unit, that would be nice.
DonM

Steve's right.......although, I still can't use one in performance.

Hi Newbie2,
Welcome to "Our corner of the Web" and the answer to your question
I agree with DonM ,but however good the PSR2000 (Y2K) is, the "key`s" are not very good the action is down right bad !
But the good news is, that is all I can find wrong with it. You`ll hear about "bugs&glitches" but they are few...very few! The sound for a 1k KB is outstanding and the features are just as good. Yamaha has packed alot of "stuff" into this one , I just wish it had better action. That aside I would recomend this KB.
The Psr 9000 is also a great KB with the build quality to back it up but also twice the cost . If cost is not an issue then wait for the "Technics KN7000" but it`s going to be hard to find and very pricey (around 4K -i think). But if your looking for the best sound and feartures at the best price and right now , then the Psr 2000 is the way to go !! Best of luck and be sure to let us know how you made out. Every one here loves to hear about new adventures with KB`s and we all try to help as best we can. This is by far the best BBS on the web for KB help , news , and freindship
jedi

DonM,

Yeah, it was worth getting a 9000PRO just so I could have those cool little lights - love 'em and use 'em all the time.

Uncle Dave,

I've copied your last post and saved it in an MS Word file in case you never say, "Steve's right" again just so I can remind everyone that I was right at least once this millenium (I emailed my wife a copy, too). I waited over 2 years to see that!

Steve

For ultra lightweight portability (gigability), excellent sounds, great features, and dollar value, I continue to stand behind the PSR2000 as the BEST keyboard choice currently out there. Many of its reported OS flaws (bugs?) actually work to my advantage. I'll admit the keys are a bit light & flimsy, but (to me) its worth the tradeoff. All other pro arranger boards are 'at least' 10 lbs heavier. - Scott

Having identity issues, my neurotic friend????????

Scott, I must agree with you, but the Korg PA80 is also very light. I forget the actual weight, but I think it is close to the 2000.
Don

Uncle Dave,
"Don't be cruel, to a heart that's true."
Don

Identity issues? Who me?

Arranger friends!
This is reply no 14.
How to get a flame next to your topic?
Just start a "Best Arranger" thread.
Currently it seems that everyone accepts the differences and preferences of each individual, something the humour above shows.
Weight? I don't worry about it, others do.
PSR 2000, no harddisk, I'm a guitarplayer, gotta have it. That's why 9000 is the board for me. Use the keys for waltzes, marches and sing-alongs during weddings and anniversaries, etc. Use the sequencer and styles to make my own midifiles. Just a great board for me! Different (key)strokes for different folks!
Love you all!
Roy-Andrè

The policy for pricing Yamaha products on the internet is to not list anything less then map (minimum advertized price). However, if you contanct the store you are interested in buying from, you might find the price lower. The map price for the PSR2000 is $1195.00. The MSLP (manufactures suggested list price) is $1495.00. Back in March, Yamaha ran a special on the PSR2000 and I was selling them for much less then the map price, however, that deal ended March 31 and the prices went back to the original deal. I wish I could have bought more then I did! If you want my best price, please call me at my store.
George Kaye
Kaye's Music Scene
Reseda, California
818-881-5566

Yes, the PA80 is relatively light at 13.9 kg (30.6 lbs), but the PSR2000 is lighter at: 10.5 kg (23 lbs). The primary reason I (personally) never considered the PA80 is because of its limited chord recognition abilities. With a background in acoustic jazz piano & someone who likes to play jazz style chord (comping) voicings, I've been very disappointed that Korg, Roland, and GEM never implemented jazz chord voicing recognition to their arrangers, as Yamaha, Technics, and Solton have. I also think that the PSR2000's acoustic piano sample(though not perfect) is significantly better than on the PA80.

Getting back to Newbie2's original question regarding the BEST arranger for Rap. I'm not into rap, but I 'can' say, that the PSR2000 is very weak in this dept. - Scott

Uh is it just me or did anyone notice the word rap in the question.

Ok arrangers are cool and all but they are not used commonly in hip hop production. Sort of the wrong tool for the job if you structure your rap the musique conrete manner (found sounds sampled - mostly found in the composers record collection). Not to say that it is not possible but more hip hop or rap I hear from arrangers sound like it is from an arranger and is normally pretty weak as far as that style of music is concerned. But this is a personal pref.

Might it be better to make some of the mention of gear that is proven to be pillars in hip hop production like an MPC series, ASR, EPS, SP1200, and just about any other sampler.

They are just some of the equipment you find people who make this music use. (not to say jump on the band wagon, I personally prefer my kurzweils myself)

It seems the computer is the best in road to this type of compsition style these days, and much can be done with fruity loops and Taureg as examples at the fraction of the cost if you own a PC and often with better results.

just a thought

Hi Scottyee.

The surgery changed my mind.
Now,my dream Kb have:
The weight of 9000.
The touch screen and varyphrase of VA7
The size of 9000Pro.
The chord recognition of PA80 and Technics.
The navigation and OS of Ketron.
The voices (sax,piano,clarinet,etc) of MZ2000.
The Upgrade sis. of Psr2000.
The modulation and pitch ball of Gem.
The price of Abacus.
Chico

Right Chico! I think they may have accidently misadusted your brain while you were in the hospital!
But I'm glad to see they left your sense of humor intact.
DonM

Chico: I could not contain the laughter after reading about your new post surgery 'dream' keyboard. Your terrific sense of humour will ensure you're back on your feet' in no time. - Scott

Hello.

I want add more two "tips" for my dream keyboard.
A-Operation Manual=A mix of Yamaha,Roland,Ketron,Casio,Technics,Korg because all manuals are very easy to unsderstand with detailed instructions.
B-Extra Styles:Yamaha of course,that are very cheap.
Chico

[This message has been edited by ChicoBrasil (edited 06-19-2002).]

Chico,

Be careful what you dream of. Some messed up engineer will think its a good idea and try to pass it off as the latest and greatest arranger that we will all have to go out and buy right away. They may even call it "TYROS" or something....ha ha

Dennis