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#112168 - 10/20/07 08:58 AM Re: Psr 3000, Roland E50 face to face
ianmcnll Offline
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Originally posted by Uncle Dave:
Ian's remarks are opinion only, and he is well entitled to them. I just feel that when someone speaks out so strongly as if their opinion was fact, then others need to supply point/counterpoint ... just to keep it honest and upright.
I believe that the home market is larger than the pro market, but I also believe that several manufacturers are making pro level keyboards with simple, easy play features as well. I own one.


Well I'm impressed you want to keep things honest and upright, Dave...shouldn't that be the norm?

The home market is what started this whole arranger thingy...and just because they write "professional" on the box doesn't suddenly launch the instrument out of home keyboard territory...it's called "marketing" and some people are inclined or gullible enough to believe it.

Personally, I don't, and when these "simple easy play" features are no longer offered on arrangers, they will be one step further away from being home keyboards....again, my own honest and upright opinion.

Counterpoints always welcome and encouraged.

Ian
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#112169 - 10/20/07 09:03 AM Re: Psr 3000, Roland E50 face to face
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My 2 Cents

Home or Pro Keyboards ?

To me it is how you make use of what they have to offer.

A "Pro" can take a $99 Casio Special , and make 10 times that in one night.
There by turning it into a pro KB !

How the KB is used , might be better than "home" or "pro" KB.

Just my opinion !

Gary

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#112170 - 10/20/07 09:16 AM Re: Psr 3000, Roland E50 face to face
ianmcnll Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by jedi:
My 2 Cents

Home or Pro Keyboards ?

To me it is how you make use of what they have to offer.

A "Pro" can take a $99 Casio Special , and make 10 times that in one night.
There by turning it into a pro KB !

How the KB is used , might be better than "home" or "pro" KB.

Just my opinion !

Gary

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Gary,

Wouldn't you agree it is the musician who becomes the "pro" when an arranger keyboard is used for profit/livelihood...not the instrument?


Ian



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#112171 - 10/20/07 09:50 AM Re: Psr 3000, Roland E50 face to face
jedi Offline
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Hi Ian,

Yes , of course that is correct.

As much as the instrument makes the player , the player makes the instrumnet !!

Of course , it must work , the KB , that is !!

Gary

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#112172 - 10/20/07 10:30 AM Re: Psr 3000, Roland E50 face to face
ianmcnll Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by jedi:
Hi Ian,

Yes , of course that is correct.

As much as the instrument makes the player , the player makes the instrumnet !!

Of course , it must work , the KB , that is !!

Gary


Thank you Gary, I had a feeling you'd see it my way.

So, have you decided on what kind of an arranger you'll be getting?

Or will it be a pro keyboard like a workstation?

Ian



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#112173 - 10/20/07 12:03 PM Re: Psr 3000, Roland E50 face to face
Tony Rome Offline
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GENTELMEN, GENTEKMEN, GENTELMEN....Please, did we forget the title of this thread....
"Psr 3000, Roland E50 face to face"...with respect to all posters, I'm sure CHICO didn't mean for this thread to go south.....
pro verses home was no where in the title of this topic......at least every one seemed to be civil, congratulations, as UD said, let's get off the home verses pro...
every body make music, not important how or with what, the results are what COUNT, IMO
TR

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#112174 - 10/20/07 03:13 PM Re: Psr 3000, Roland E50 face to face
jedi Offline
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Ian ,

No , I have not decided on what arranger KB I will buy.

Any real suggestions !

Later,
Gary

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#112175 - 10/20/07 08:18 PM Re: Psr 3000, Roland E50 face to face
ianmcnll Offline
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Originally posted by jedi:
Ian ,

No , I have not decided on what arranger KB I will buy.

Any real suggestions !

Later,
Gary
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Gary,

The Roland E-80 is really nice...well made, great sound, excellent styles and although a bit expensive, I'm sure it's worth it.

Same goes for the Tyros2.

I can't recommend the PA-800, which seems to be the current heartthrob on SZ, until I've tried it...that may be sometime next week if my buddy brings one back from Toronto.

It must be frustrating not to be able to try out the instruments you have expressed interest in...buying without trying is a big gamble...especially when it involves big money.

Good luck with your choice.

Ian




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#112176 - 10/20/07 09:00 PM Re: Psr 3000, Roland E50 face to face
jedi Offline
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Registered: 02/07/02
Posts: 1125
Loc: Merrimack, N.H.
Hi Ian,

Thanks for the kind words as well as your thoughts on the S900.

I will always say that " Yamaha gives you the most bang for the buck with there PSR series" , but with Tim getting a 4th "bad one" it does seem like the US is plagued by more than just a few bad ones.

Larry mentioned this in Tim`s 3rd tread " more music stores should carry arrangers , most ...if you go in and ask about an arranger , it no we don`t carry them"

I called a few other places today , this time an organ studio and asked they were a Roland or Korg dealer and that I would like to try either a Pa800 or an E-80 , same deal , "we can sp. order a Pa800 , but don`t carry arrangers" , I asked why , "we just don`t have the room".
Ok like they are really that big !!

I do appreciate your help , can I get you to do something else . if you have a chance.
You see I have this keyboard table that I made out if my old Casio CT-701 keyboard stand from years ago and the wood top I made I don`t think would fit an E-80 , but I like it because I built a "notebook" drawer underneath and between the 2 chrome up-rights.

Anyway , is there anyway you could measure the distance of the rubber feet underneath the E-80 , both depth and width.
That would sure help , I would hate to trash that table/stand that I custom made.
Of course I could always put a new top on , but then it would be to high and I would have to design and make legs and well as lateral supports to hold the weight.

Well , thanks again and in advance for your help !

Take care,
Gary

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#112177 - 10/21/07 07:46 AM Re: Psr 3000, Roland E50 face to face
ianmcnll Offline
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Registered: 07/27/05
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Gary, the store that had the E-80 couldn't sell it so they sent it to another branch which is a 5 hour drive from my place.

Perhaps one of the members on SZ who owns one can help you out?

Ian
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