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#111919 - 11/29/01 07:34 AM Re: Falling off the psr2000 bandwagon!
Arbaz Offline
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Registered: 06/05/01
Posts: 165
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Originally posted by Rodrigues:
Hi,

It’s always the same thing. All persons forget to divide the Mby of voices memory by the number of voices? VA5 has 48 Mby but more than 3600 voices, this is 14 Kby per voice (average). PSR 2000 has 16 Mby but only 800 voices; this is 20 Kby per voice (average). So the quality of the voices can not be very different between them.


Just a friendly reminder, I really don't think that memory is evenly distributed for the whole keyboard like you are saying Piano sample will not take the same memory as SFX sample or a horn sample, VA5 might have 3600 voices but it does not mean it have 3600 raw samples same is the case with PSR2000 so what really counts is how the sound was sampled and how many samples were taken for a particular sound it is possible to see raw samples in PA-80 I am not sure about the VA5 or PSR2000.

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#111920 - 11/29/01 08:55 AM Re: Falling off the psr2000 bandwagon!
Rodrigues Offline
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Registered: 09/20/99
Posts: 95
Loc: Portugal
Hi Arbaz,

I agree with you; That's why I said "average" in the calculation. Also we know about compression and about algotithms for getting the voice. But there are not miracles - without memory there are not good voices, even with sophisticated algorithms. And if we use most of the memory for only a few voices the others will be weaks.

As it is said in my country "without eggs there are no omelets"

Regards
Carlos Rodrigues

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#111921 - 11/29/01 09:10 AM Re: Falling off the psr2000 bandwagon!
Bluezplayer Offline
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Registered: 11/10/00
Posts: 2195
Loc: Catskill Mountains, NY
I'm still happy with the 2000 and am keeping mine. A lot of bang for the buck and a very useful board for doing small gigs. Along side of the PA80, many of the sounds aren't as good in my ears, but they will do fine for a gig. For more professional composing, the PA80 is my baby. The PA80 will have it's OS updated shortly, and the styles will change because they will have 4 fills per style. In addition korg mentions easier shortcuts to functions, so I am eagerly anticipating how the board will function after the OS is installed.

As far as ths differences between the 9000 and the 2000, there are a few features the 9k has of course that the 2k doesn't. ( sampling, harddrive options etc..) As for the sounds / styles between the two, I suppose there are differences, but for me it isn't easy to tell from a distance ( not being played side by side ). I could never see spending the kind of money on the 9000 or 9k pro when I had my PSR740 ( and now my 2000 ) because for my own uses I just wasn't getting that much more to justify spending triple what the 740 cost. I have spend a good deal of time with the 9000 so at least from a distance the styles and sounds were rather similar to the 740. So for the price of one PSR 9k pro, this year I bought a PA80 and a 2000. I think ( again for my uses ) I did very well. I guess I could say that the jury is still out a bit though 'til OS3 arrives on the PA80. John, you are quite right though.. A very nice board for the buck and a great add on for me, but the 2000 could never replace my PA80. Nothing that I have ever played from Yamaha ( "pro" synth/ workstations included ) can replace it for my ears.

AJ
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#111922 - 11/29/01 09:39 AM Re: Falling off the psr2000 bandwagon!
Shakil Offline
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Registered: 10/25/99
Posts: 191
The PSR9000 and 9000Pro definately sound better than PSR2000. Because they use better quality stereo samples. PSR9000 and 9000Pro sound can consist of 8 tones per sound. The drums are stereo and you can hear the differenece very clearly. Although it's only on the live accoustic kits. The dance and techno kits suck on PSR9000 and 9000Pro ... they are same as in my aged PSR510.
I don't know if 9000 owners are using the sampling function, if they are not, then it's being wasted.

I have PSR2000 and TRITON, and they can sound very close to PA-80 when used together.

Anyone has PA-80 styles in midi format?

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#111923 - 11/29/01 10:02 AM Re: Falling off the psr2000 bandwagon!
Scottyee Offline
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Registered: 12/01/99
Posts: 10427
Loc: San Francisco Bay Area, CA, US...
Ok, I'm first to admit it's fun to debate the differences between the PSR2000, PSR9000/9000pro, and PA80 etc, but I bet the average concert goer won't know the difference or even care. They come to be entertained ! If you can put on a terrific show with a $99 Casio, they'll keep coming back. I realize that our keyboard is the essential tool of our trade, but.... don't forget ... it is our unique ability to entertain that they 'really' come for. I just hope 'everyone' here (myself included) is remembering to put in the time required to keep their chops in shape as well as continue to develop arranger playing skills. No new keyboard or money can ever compensate for THAT. If so, I'm out of a job.

Ok, where was I? I prefer the PSR2000 over . . .
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#111924 - 11/29/01 10:02 AM Re: Falling off the psr2000 bandwagon!
Arbaz Offline
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Registered: 06/05/01
Posts: 165
Hello Shakil,

Triton & PSR2000 is definitely a better combination than PA-80 alone, about the styles you can download style to MIDI utility from www.korgpa.com also download the backup disks 1,2,3 for factory styles and disk 4 for user styles use the midi to style utility to convert the style element to MIDI files.

Regards.

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#111925 - 11/29/01 11:41 AM Re: Falling off the psr2000 bandwagon!
J. Larry Offline
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Registered: 12/14/99
Posts: 521
Loc: University, MS 38677 USA
Based on the posts I read, those of us standing with Technics must be few and far between. To me the Lexus is the KN6500. I checked-out the 2000 and the first impression was the light, plastic (cheap?)feel to the keyboard. Of course, sound quality is important; but I think the cosmetics of a keyboard are important, too, since I spend so much time with it.

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#111926 - 11/29/01 12:48 PM Re: Falling off the psr2000 bandwagon!
Scottyee Offline
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Registered: 12/01/99
Posts: 10427
Loc: San Francisco Bay Area, CA, US...
J.Larry:
I too initially thought the 2000's keys felt lightweight and flimsy with a spongy feel at the bottom of the keystsroke, especially if played without any sound. It wasn't till AFTER I loaded sounds in that I changed my tune (I mean opinion); but come to think of it, I did play a wide variety of tunes when I initally demoed it, too. For some reason, the keyboard feel (though admittedly lightweight) actually seems to work with the 2000's sounds and its' slight spongy feel contributed to playing expressively. I dunno, maybe it's just me. Afterall, I've had to adapt to plenty of terrible broken down, out of tune, house pianos over the years. My treasured Steinway B Grand has a fully weighted grand action so I certainly appreciate what it offers, but for some weird reason, the 2000's keyboard feel is acceptable to me. Go figure. The PSR2000 is less than 1/2 of the price of the Technics KN6500 or 9000pro. I figure I could easily get two 2000's and always have a backup on hand . . . a thought. All of these boards are sound great, but each has unique features geared to suit different peoples tastes and requirements. Larry, I agree that the KN6500 is the Lexus' of arrangers. I'm still happy though with my Camry, it certainly gets the job done (nicely).
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#111927 - 11/29/01 01:14 PM Re: Falling off the psr2000 bandwagon!
Dnj Offline
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Registered: 09/21/00
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"LEXUS" of arrangers? oh my!

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#111928 - 11/29/01 10:17 PM Re: Falling off the psr2000 bandwagon!
Uncle Dave Offline
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Registered: 12/01/99
Posts: 12800
Loc: Penn Yan, NY
....and a Lexus is just a Toyota on steroids.
Races aren't won by cars, the are won by DRIVERS. Please don't start this mindless comparison war again. They all have something to offer, and they all have a place in someones heart. ( and studio )
Saturday nite I have live drums, guitar, sax and a female singer with me ....so the arranger will be silent most of the night!
(I know I'll miss the start/stop switch for the drummer though!)
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