Which arrangers, old and new, had an XLR mic input and could add reverb effects to it?

Doc-Z

SD+ & G70 there might be more have XLR mic inputs.

and the PA1x PA2x (PA2x also has phantom power so you can use condensor mic's too).
Dennis

Did the g1000, psr9000pro have an xlr mic input? If I go for a 1/4" as well are there other models featuring this?

DocZ

To the best of my knowledge, Yamaha made a psr line up, but the 9000pro was not actually a member of that lineup. The correct title was 9000pro. ( no psr prefix )
Damn fine keyboard, but older technology compared to modern arrangers. As a stand alone workhorse - I'd love to have another one.

Thanx dennis I want sure about the Korgs....thanx

The 9000pro was marketed as the PSR-9000pro here in Norway, but asside from that, did it have a mic input?

Doc-Z

Doc,

If I recall, the 9000-pro had a 1/4-inch input--not an XLR, but I may be thinkin of another keyboard. The 9000-pro was a great keyboard, and I know of one that is for sale, but it's here in the U.S.. And, as Dave said the technology is ancient by today's standards.

Most keyboards with a 1/4-inch input will accept a balanced connection via an adapter cable and not experience any decrease in either volume level or vocal quality. The right cable for the job has pins 1 and 2 of the XLR jumpered and connected to the 1/4-inch plug's shield, while pin 3 is the hot connection and connects to the 1/4-inch plug's tip.

Hope this helps,

Gary

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Travlin' Easy

I have yamaha 9000pro and tyros 2 the 9000pro does have xlr as well as 1/4" mike input, and is still one great keyboard.

I have yamaha 9000pro and tyros 2 the 9000pro does have xlr as well as 1/4" mike input, and is still one great keyboard.

Sorry Gary, got to disagree..the audio inputs that some keyboards have are line level (whether balanced or not) not mic level which is different. The keyboards with either a 1/4" balanced jack or XLR which are SPECIFICALLY for microphones also have mic pre-amps. On the the wiring point, the wiring for a balanced connector is pin 2 + pin 3- and pin 1 is shield.If you are adapting to a mono lead, pin 2 goes to the tip of the 1/4" and pins 1 and 3 are bridged and connect to the sleeve. Where international standards differ is on the wiring of speaker cables which only use 2 of the pins in an xlr cable, but which two varies from country to country.Its just one of the reason Speakon connectors been widely adopted all over the world for most pro PA suppliers.
Dennis

For info we had a lot of discussion a while back about the PSR 2000 / 2100 / 3000 microphone input; as I recall we concluded it is unbalanced with no phantom power capability. I assume this is still the case for the s900.

Certainly these keyboards can put reverb or other effects onto the microphone signal, and there is enough gain to cope with a low-level microphone, but at high gain you may well hear noise from the pre-amp. Use of a small mixer to bring the microphone signal up to line level would give a better result.

Dennis,

There must be something different in the wiring of adapter cables. I just checked mine again to be sure my mind has not gone to hell, and pins 1 & 2 are connected together and go the sheild, while pin 3 is wired directly to the tip of the 1/4-inch plug. I have tried adapter cables wired as you have described, and they did not work with my mics and keyboards. Unfortunately, nothing is etched in stone, especially when it comes to establishing keyboard wiring standards.

And, yes some keyboards have a line level input only, but in this part of the world they are in the minority. Yamaha, in particular, has a selector switch on their PSR series that allows either line level or mic inputs with a single, 1/4-inch, mono input, plus it also has an stereo, auxiliary input for line level only.

Cheers,

Gary

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Travlin' Easy

I listened to some demos on the web from the 9000pro, it sounded pretty decent. I'm looking for something to replace my Roland DR-3 drum machine, M-Audio bass keyboard, and Mackie 1604VLZ mixer. I'm thinking of getting rid of all that gear, and replacing it with a couple of powered speakers and a keyboard with mic input and effects, that way I only need speakers and board (and stands offcourse) but it still a heck of a lot less gear to lug around.
Will this work OK? (I'm only looking for piano, drums and bass, don't need all that other autocomp, but some kind of songbook feature would be nice)

So far I'm checking out the G-70, PA1X Pro, PA2X and older models. The G-70 gets in at about $4500, the PA1X at $5000, and I've found the PA2X for $4000 (web store that ships to norway) And I can get the 9000pro used for $2000 (but that seems a bit too much to me, or is it a good deal perhaps?)

Doc-Z

Hi Gary,
I don't know why your adaptors are wired like that, but what I described is the standard way of doing it..For example http://www.mediacollege.com/audio/connection/xlr-jack-mono.html
Why yours don't work that way I am not sure, maybe you have a unique wiring method?
Dennis

Gary,
As for your comment on them being in the minority, the same keyboards are supplied out here. Manufacturers don't change them for everywhere but the US...Yes I am aware that some 1/4" input jacks on keyboards have a switch for line or mic, and why do you think that is? it's because it switches between a mic pre-amp on or pre-amp by-passed for running line-level equipment, which is pretty much anything but a mic..you can use that line level for a mic but with quite poor results imo. All I am advising is that line level and Mic level audio pathways are different. As you would be aware some keyboards even have seperate mic in jacks/XLRs together with a stereo pair of jacks for the line gear..
Dennis

Dennis,

Yes, I am aware that some keyboards have separate XLR connections, and not too many years ago I owned a few. In The People's Republic of Maryland, Yamaha seems to be the top selling keyboard, especially in the Baltimore metropolitan area and surrounding counties. You'll find a few Korgs, Ketrons, and Rolands near Washington, DC, and of course at GC, but most of the entertainers I know are using Yamahas. And yes, I am aware of Yamaha's pre-amp/Line switch, and how it works. I also know which wires connect to which pins for the XLR to 1/4-inch mono adapter cable that used with with the Samson Q7, Sennheiser E855, Crown CM-311A, Shure SM58, and lots of lesser known mics when connected to the PSR-3000, 2000, 2100, S-900, and lots of others. I have constructed a dozen or more of these adapter cables for other musicians and they all work just fine. So, I guess it depends upon which keyboard the adapter is used for and how that keyboard is wired because you can purchase the adapter cables wired both ways. Like I said in my earlier post--nothing is etched in stone.

Cheers,

Gary

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Travlin' Easy

Ok, asside from the discussion regarding 1/4" and XLR wiring, is there someone who could answer my question about setup?

Doc-Z

OK, you know about the XLR and quarter inch Mic inputs for the 9000PRO. When I “solo” all I take in is the 9000PRO, a pair of powered speakers (plus stands) and a(head) Mic. That is sufficient for everything I do. Occasionally if I need to play a CD for a breather, I plug it into the 9000PRO as well. It all works well (for me). If I don’t solo I include a mixer for everyone else’s connectivity. Hope that helps.
Jon

Does the 9000pro have a music database? And how many styles does it have?

Doc-Z

Yes it does have a music database which goes to in excess of 600 "songs" per database, and you can set up any number of these music databases - which I have done. On the number of styles - there are about 125 preset styles and then a further 88 flash styles within 120 flash memory locations. In addition to this if you have a hard disk installed you can access in real time (performance) any style that is located on your hard disk, so the number of styles is limited only by the size of your hard disk. A further feature is that within the music database you can link the settings of a song entry to use a style that is resident only on the hard disk. So with all this capability you can build (install)an enormous style resource, that can then be accessed in real time (during the heat of the performance).
Jon

What does the guy want for the 9000-pro? (I have some connections in the US..) What sort of powersource does it use? An eternal adapter? or some kind of built in interface?


Doc-Z

Hey Doc,
Not beating any dead horses here, but did your stores and ads really use the "PSR" prefex in selling the 9000pro? Funny, because the instrument didn't have the PSR letters on it, in the states. Just wondering....that's all.
UD

Uncle Dave, yes they actually did. Even the Yamaha web site (Norwegian one) marketed it as the PSR-9000 pro, and it's little brother the PSR-9000 (61 keys and speakers)
But I've seen many differences in names and marketing from US, Europe and Scandinavia.

For instance the YPG-625 and YPG-525 are marketed as DGX-620 and DGX-520 here...

Doc-Z