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#100138 - 01/05/06 12:55 PM Re: Just a thought about Yamaha's pro arrangers.
Tom Cavanaugh Offline
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Registered: 12/06/99
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Squeak,

I have the T1 and I never even noticed the little drum pictures. I'll have to take a second look to see if they are on mine.

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#100139 - 01/05/06 01:48 PM Re: Just a thought about Yamaha's pro arrangers.
squeak_D Offline
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Regardless, I still think it's a toyish look to a keyboard that's obviously (pro).

Seriously the damn thing costs over three grand. I can't remember the last (pro) keyboard I owned require the drum icons. Of course you don't judge a book by it's cover, but we still do it anyways. Yes the Tyros 2 is without a doubt one kick ass arranger, but Yamaha doesn't help the pro image of this board by painting the "kiddie" drum icons under the keys.

I can't remember the last time I heard someone playing a Yamaha Motif, Roland Fantom, or Triton complaining because they "just can't find the drum sounds without the picture".

One poster said it being a "home keyboard". I don't agree. I could spend $8,000 on Korgs top synth, and it NEVER leave my home. Does that make it a home keyboard? A pro arranger is just that--supposed to be designed for the professional.

Squeak

Say what you want about Casio, their new WK3200 and 3700 can't be beat for the price. Even the old MZ-2000 dances circles around the PSR-3000 in several areas.
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#100140 - 01/05/06 03:38 PM Re: Just a thought about Yamaha's pro arrangers.
Fran Carango Offline
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I have both camps.. A silver set up...CasioMZ2000 and a Roland DisCover5 on my silver Apex stand..with my silver Compaq laptop..Also my Silver mic[58 copy]..

My black setup....Roland G1000 on my black Apex stand, with my black CTX laptop, and black AT mic..
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#100141 - 01/05/06 03:49 PM Re: Just a thought about Yamaha's pro arrangers.
tony mads usa Offline
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keyofg .. ...

squeak ... I don't think anyone called it a 'home keyboard', but rather said it was designed not just for 'pros' but 'home musicians' as well ...

I have a question ... What is the PROBLEM with the drum icons ????
I have a technics kn6000 and the drum symbols are just above the keybed ... I find this very useful when I am sequencing a song and want a certain percussion sound...
squeak, without the icons, where would I go to find the sound I am looking for? ...
Also, believe it or not, I was playing as an 'add on' with a larger group one night, and during certain tunes I used the kb for added pecussion ... those icons helped a lot ...

t.
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#100142 - 01/05/06 03:50 PM Re: Just a thought about Yamaha's pro arrangers.
tony mads usa Offline
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Originally posted by Fran Carango:
I have both camps.. A silver set up...CasioMZ2000 and a Roland DisCover5 on my silver Apex stand..with my silver Compaq laptop..Also my Silver mic[58 copy]..
My black setup....Roland G1000 on my black Apex stand, with my black CTX laptop, and black AT mic..


Fran ... you could play for the Raiders both home and away !!!

t.
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#100143 - 01/05/06 04:16 PM Re: Just a thought about Yamaha's pro arrangers.
Fran Carango Offline
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In more ways then one!!!!
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#100144 - 01/05/06 04:24 PM Re: Just a thought about Yamaha's pro arrangers.
loungelyzard Offline
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Registered: 10/31/04
Posts: 535
Loc: North Eastern Calif.
I guess I'm a genuine antique!

Only two colors for equipment, Black and Chrome, white/ivory keys or trim okay, white shirts/ blk pants for the players.

If your gonna get paid the same as the guys busing tables you got to dress like'em.

Seemed to be the way it worked in the good ol days. Never a care of what to wear, or does the the band look good. Under lights black and chrome becomes magic to a audience.

Loved it when levi's came out in black, add 5 short sleeve square tail white shirts 5 for $7.50 from Monkey Wards and your ready to go to work. In the dim lighting no one seemed to noticed you are in genes, and if they did you matched everyone else and they thought you were just wild musicians. The high class joints (the ones that charge more and pays a couple dollars extra) you had to wear black slacks and a clip on bow tie.

Hey the icons for drums dosn't bother me I can't see'em for all the colored follow me flashing lights on the TY2..he he

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#100145 - 01/05/06 04:27 PM Re: Just a thought about Yamaha's pro arrangers.
George V Offline
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Registered: 01/09/05
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Loc: Sofia
Quote:

One poster said it being a "home keyboard". I don't agree.
Hi Squeak,
Nobody said exactly that. I see that you desperately defend your point of view.

But once again, the T2 target customer is not only the pro but also the semi-pros, songwriters, serious hobbyists and home musicians. Practically everyone who likes playing keyboards.

Yamaha arrangers are very popular because they are easy to operate and user friendly. And, like I said, the drum icons are part of the user friendliness.

My impression is that impression that all yamaha arrangers could easily be used by home players. I came to this conclusion after watching the demo videos of T2, T1, PSR3000, PSR2100 and DGX505. Then I compared these videos to those of Motif ES, Motif Rack and S90ES. The keyboards and the rack from the second group seem to have much more in-depth features and I tend to think they are designed mainly for the heavy pros.

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George

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#100146 - 01/05/06 04:31 PM Re: Just a thought about Yamaha's pro arrangers.
squeak_D Offline
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Maybe it's just me then. I was a synth junkie before I got involved with arrangers, and none of my former synths had these nor did I ever feel the need to use them.

I've never had the need for "icons" to show me where specific percussion sounds were on the keys. You just learn the basic layout after a while I guess. Now the layout is almost universal on so many keyboards with the drum kits.

I (and other keyboard friends) I've talked to also felt it made the Pro arrangers look less (pro) in appearance because of the little drum icons.

I just think it looks cheezy to me for a professional keyboard. If Korg, Yamaha, and Roland added the icons to the Triton, Motif, and Fantom you bet your hind end that people would voice their dislike about it.

Squeak
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#100147 - 01/05/06 05:56 PM Re: Just a thought about Yamaha's pro arrangers.
zuki Offline
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At least they didn't label it PSRTyros2
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