thanks Chas . I really just wanted to know :-) wasnt starting a new debate.If God started the whole thing (and stephen Hawkings does not rule that out) then your comments about his age (although tongue in cheek) are irrelevent because God must be outside of any concept of time ..... Like i said before i dont have the time (no pun intended) to debate this with you. I just wanted to know which version of the begining you were coming from.Maybe another time though....

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