Originally Posted By: abacus
Originally Posted By: Bachus
Originally Posted By: abacus
The problem is, when new arranger products come out, they still use hand me down (Old) technology from the pro world, with manufactures charging extortionate prices for them, (Sometimes twice the price of the original keyboards their based on) just because they include Midi Loops (Styles) on-board.

Bill


High development costs and low sales numbers, its not like in half the homes there will be a totl arranger .... And modern day companies that cant live witouth making profit ... And a huge part of the potential buyers can afford these prices..

You also make it sound like there is pratically no innovation, but both Tyros5 as well as Pa4x really did make a huge step compared to their predecessors both in funtionallity as well as in sound quallity....


Makes me wonder why both these instruments sound better then current Wersi organs... Or do you think its okay to build a Ketron SD 40 module into a €45.000 Wersi louvre to have acceptable style quallity? Just ask the Solitaire why he is doing this? And he tells you that sound and style design is way more important then having high end technollogy...



Well! while you can connect a second keyboard to a T5 & a PA4x, they are not that good as an organ to play live, as they don’t have dedicated organ features, (This is the reason most true organ players don’t use them) however for arranger players that want to play a bit more themselves, (Rather than playing along to a style) they are a good option.

An organist uses both hands and feet to play, and styles just get in the way, hence if you hear a style used it has been simplified with just drums and the occasional vamp track, thus styles are not really a priority. (Although good styles do help arranger players in transitioning to organ playing)

I have no idea why solitaire is going to all that trouble, as if he wants Ketron styles it would be much easier (And cheaper) to convert them to T2 format and Midi an SD1000 to his organ, or do like Franz Lambert has been doing for decades, and have a Ketron module by the side. (The weak spot on Wersi has always been the drum sounds, which are no better than you get on a Yamaha, (Which fall well short of Korg, Roland and Ketron) however by using 3rd party samples or VST, this can be addressed)

I never said Arrangers don’t advance, just that they are at least 1 generation behind the pro world.

Bill

When my gigging Tyros 5 is parked at home, it is part of my twinset with my home studio Tyros 5 (see Photo). When connected to my PK6 MIDI bass pedals, they are as good as an organ to play live. The Tyros 5 keyboard bed is in most cases much higher quality than most organs are and a pleasure to play organ while aftertouch can be used with non-organ voices.

My favorite organ I have owned in the past would have to be my Hammond A100 with full pedalboard (25 pedals) and two Leslie Speakers. Low back issues and retirement from a full time organist position easily make the lighter and true portable combination of my Tyros 5 twinset best option for me to move forward and enjoy composing and ultimately playing live.

My gigging hobby easily pays for ongoing equipment upgrades and wear and tear over the years. A new organ comparable to my A100 would easily exceed the cost of my my Tyros 5 twinset, and the lighter powered speakers are a great substitute to the older heavy Leslies.

Both Tyros 5s can easily enter dedicated organ features through Organ World and Registrations, plus access to all the other TOTL arranger features. I miss my vintage Hammond, but I am in a much happier place now, plus we have these fine forums and internet. Still not sure if internet overall makes our lives better or happier, but I guess technology is here to stay.

Regards, Marcus


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