oh another example : my korg ES1 sampler will only do a sysex dump for saveing patterns and songs and whatnot if i send it a sysex message asking it to do the dump. i can send it a raw sysex when i want to save the stuff and BAAMMM ! ! it does it, and i don't have to play a song to get it to do it and its not really something i would really want it to do in the middle of a song.

thats at least 4 or 5 sentance in that big run on i got going there but i hope between that and the other post it clears it up a little bit