Zeratul, isn't that a character from Starcraft? Anyway, you're absolutely right about Fairlab. Great programming as far as the demo's are concerned. It's a shame that they are so very expensive. That's why I want to learn some serious programming myself. The question is: "does anybody know of any books on how to program on JV/XP synths?". I know some basics but I want to carry it further. learn about FM synthesis and stuff, not just changing waveforms and adding some effects and filters.