No, I understand it was your opinion Bill. What I am trying to get across is I couldn't understand "how" you came to that conclusion after hearing the online demos for myself and knew from those demos that the T3 drums were not a significant improvement over the T2 drums (if at all). Yamaha has the "means" to record factory demos using all the latest equipment and with equally expert qualified personnel at their disposal. So the demos would not be hindered in any way from poor quality production and what is being heard in the demos is basically the "real" sound of the Drum kits coming through in the .mp3's. So immediately it told me that the "samples" were roughly of the same quality of samples that are on the T2 because the sounds on the T3 Drum kits sounded roughly the same as the T2 Drum kits to my ears and all the T3 Drum kit demos further substantiated that fact.

So because of that, I was highly skeptical that the Tyros3 Drum kits were going to sound "much much better" in person. And now chony has confirmed my suspicion that they don't.

Hey, I'm not faulting you at all Bill. You gave your opinion and you have every right to do so. I would have also liked it if your opinion held up in the court of public opinion too. Unfortunately, the fault lies squarely on Yammies shoulders, because even though the T3 has new Drum kits (and even new Drum samples) those samples apparently haven't translated into better Drum sounds on the T3 like we were hoping and Yamaha was leading us to believe with their "all new drums on the T3" marketing approach.

Oh well... maybe we'll see (hear) a significant improvement on the T4 Drum kits in three or so years down the road. Maybe by then they will see fit to put in the same Drum Kits that the new Motif XS successor will have when it is released in a couple years or so. That will give Yamaha another year or so to contemplate whether or not to do it. Hopefully they will eschew the political correctness of continually putting in inferior Drum Kits in their totl arrangers, and do what their customers (and potential new customers) have been urging them to do for the past decade or more, and that is to put in the same or similar quality Drum Kits that they have and use on their totl Workstations. The consumer is paying more for Yamaha's totl arrangers then they would if they bought one of their totl workstations. Is it always going to be "pay more and get less" when it comes to Yamaha's more expensively priced totl arrangers than it is when you buy one of their totl workstations?? If it is, then Yamaha should reduce the price of their totl arrangers significantly in my opinion.

Best,
Mike