Agree. I saw them in 89 on one of their first reunion tours. The whole stage was filled with musicians -- brass section, singers, additional guitar player (Steve Boltz, a lot better than Pete) not just the quartet. Even so, everyone could feel John's bassline through the floor. Incredible. I've seen a lot of concerts, but very few can hold a candle to that show. John was a VERY big presence on the stage.