Thanks PaulD,Bluezplayer,bitdump3,Dan01,trtjazz and Buleriachk for your replies.I greatly appreciate them and this forum.I am going over to Canberra to the store in a weeks time to try out the 2 machines but I am much more informed now.I am not going to be so dazzled by just the sounds and the salespitch this time.I'll let you know what I come back with although it's clear that either way I can't go wrong.I found that with the VA7 it was awkard using buttons and touchscreen at the same time with the right hand while changing chords with the L hand and I always made mistakes-and always had to redo recordings from scratch because there was no event editor to fix things up easily.I am tending towards the pa80 because it has mostly button control,and seems to cater to dance styles a bit better and seems to have sl more editing capabilities.I only hope I don't then always regret not having the awesome tryos sounds.It may be the case of filling the need rather than the want.Thanks again Rod