In case I am misunderstood I am merely saying that we might consider the desires of those who wish to sign of.Rather than our own desires. So will ye please leave the lads their deserved space to work through their distresses. Please also be aware that these distresses are not permanent.Please also consider that many decisions we all make are often anchored to other past stuff and merely relieving the present stuff may not be the answer. We urging them is really not recognising their own intelligence. Pierce