Hey i've heard not a bad thing said about these little buggers....i'm soon to be having one...their cheap...they aren't velocity sensitive but they are bonafide noise machines...and eight stage envelopes...joy, they can be had for 150 or less...the ram carts you should look to pick up with em...but they aren't really that necesarry...albeit nice...actually i think their still availible from syntaur...although i'm not sure....mines coming with a 64 voice cart....