Thank you Eddie
That time it worked! but it doesn`t always!
also have you tried that Ver. thing? I did it on mine and very thing whent by so fast I could hardly see any thing I think I still have an old one Ser.# on first one was 614611 and ser# on new one is 617980
thats a long way from "Uncle Dave`s" being his he said was about 9000 units from his original one. Thank you so much for your help. BTW when I run the start up test after it`s done try pressing C-1 and them "tempo -" push seven times and you`ll get to ver. but I`m stuck after that
thanks again
jedi