posted 02-04-2010 01:52 PM            

anyone?

posted 02-04-2010 02:14 PM            

You KNOW it won't have USB3, 1TB HD, 2GB RAM, all the other things that no keyboard in the WORLD has, yet, and it won't be much cheaper (if any) than the current Audya is. So, you'll still sit on the sidelines and bitch...

Personally, if an Audya was in my future, it would be the 76 version. The module worries me (I'd love to add one to my G70) because Ketron's MIDI implementation on the Audya looks barebones at best. They would have to SERIOUSLY beef up that section before it would be practical, IMO.

But I am content with USB1, let alone USB3, won't use the sampler live much (and prefer VSTi samplers and my Kurzweil in the studio), so won't need 2GB sample RAM (which, even at the Audya's pretty decent load up speed, would take a month of Sunday's to fill ), and realize that, in practical terms, a 1TB HD would remain mostly empty even with ALL the real world sounds I'd ever need on board, I am STILL far more concerned that, if I played a Gsus7 chord, my audio guitarist would PLAY a Gsus7 chord, not some MIDI stand-in...

posted 02-04-2010 06:14 PM            

I don't understand.

posted 02-05-2010 07:06 AM            

if the AUDYA module is for real,
i just may surprise you my friend...

posted 02-05-2010 11:04 AM            

1.-Correct the issues on the current OS.
2.LOWER the price....is out of range...basically pricing out of the market, remember what happen to Technics?
3.-Release the software proprietary to enable "Other" style designers make lots of them, guess who benefits?....remember the Apps for the Iphone and the I touch?, Apple released their software and now they can even use that as a Marketing tool, they now have over 100,000 apps......consider how old is the I-phone, I am aware that the amount of users are much more limited in the arrangers, still, I think it could make a BIG difference.

posted 02-05-2010 12:34 PM            

Without that, some form of copy protection, who on earth is going to develop styles for the Audya, with its' vastly more complicated audio loops to have to record? They sell ONE copy, we all trade it around like bubblegum cards, how does he get PAYED?

But if it had secure delivery and copy protection, they wouldn't have to charge much, because EVERYONE with an Audya would be paying him (if the styles were any good, that is!) rather than just the first few, as it now stands. See the thread about the Korg Europe styles if you don't believe me...

And leezone... You can't honestly tell me that after your cosigning Tony's bad rap on the Audya, and slamming it for the lack of every cutting edge computer technology that no other arranger has either (I have to discount the MS, because even its' manufacturer now acknowledges it isn't an arranger!), that if they brought it out basically as is but in a box, that you would swallow all your words and buy one..?

posted 02-06-2010 12:28 AM            

yes i realize it has 64mb RAM and small HD, and USB 1.1, etc,

BUT

it is BY FAR the most realistic "live sounding" arranger out today, at least for MY music.

it sounds LIVE, much more than ANY other arranger,

Diki,
you try the AUDYA through a REAL PA,
and then your G-70, and i GUARANTEE you that YOU will be convinced.

you GOTTA try it out

posted 02-06-2010 04:59 AM            

All Ketron is to much $$$

posted 02-06-2010 05:51 AM         

Technics close down wasn't anything to do with prices - they were always a very reasonably priced board - their last range topper, the KN7000 retailed at £2,100.

It's only since Technics demise that Yamaha and other manufacturers have been constantly raising prices - because the raelly tough competition is no longer there!

posted 02-06-2010 07:00 AM         

Yes, I'll buy Ketron again, but I'm not not going to buy Audya befrore I see what this update will
change and/or add.
I've got a very very good offer by have it shipped from our neighbour country. Legally from a music
store and imported the right way, and still half the price compared to what we have to pay here.
In this case it will end up at the same level as Tyros3 and PA2X Pro in this country, aprox US $5000.
We'll see ....

Btw,
Musikmesse 2010 will be held in Frankfurt am Main from March 24 to 27, 2010. Looks like
Ketron will be at Hall 5.0 B26. http://musik.messefrankfurt.com/frankfurt/en/exhibitor.details.html/ketron-s-r-l.html

Maybe this is the time and place they will release the updated OS and other news... if any?

posted 02-06-2010 09:23 AM         

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Musikmesse 2010 will be held in Frankfurt am Main from March 24 to 27, 2010. Looks like
Ketron will be at Hall 5.0 B26.

Maybe this is the time and place they will release the updated OS and other news... if any?

Cheers
GJ[/B]

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This might also be when they release the module and/or 61 key versions..

Check THIS Out. Its LOGIC58(Marcello Colo) on youtube and he really shows what Audya is all about.
Also check out his other youtube videos.

This is what Audya is all about, the totall sound, maybe other brands(I personally like KOrg) have better and more impressive solo sounds, but nothing has the total sound of a Audya Performance.
Thats why i think that the Audya module will do great, you'll add these great styles to whatever solo sound you like most, Korg, Motif or Roland.

posted 02-06-2010 09:58 AM         

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Originally posted by Bachus:
Its LOGIC58(Marcello Colo) on youtube and he really shows what Audya is all about.

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The Audya certainly has a strong, robust, and "live" sound for sure...more than any other arranger.

Still, I prefer the Yamaha more compressed and refined sound for my work, which mainly involves recording and playing restaurant background music (of course, that's why I use Yamaha exclusively).

For dance stuff, the Audya definitely has the goods.

Ian

posted 02-06-2010 10:43 AM         

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Originally posted by leezone:
if we have to wait till Messe,
that pushes the countdown back up to 46 right?

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Maybe so, I really don't know, but as they say:
Those who wait for something good ....

posted 02-06-2010 11:43 AM            

But there are still MUSICAL and operational problems, as far as I am concerned. I can still hear MIDI and audio guitar parts swapping in and out, depending on chord played, and I am also someone that doesn't like to use the same style for more than one or two songs, so a never ending supply of fresh styles and beats, lots of conversions and user edited styles are very important to me. The deal with audio loops makes the pool of people creating new and translated styles MUCH smaller than the Big3's resources, plus, as I have said before, tweaking the drum kit for variety, tweaking the guitars for variety (SO easy to do on a Roland!) is completely out with a loop.

I have many styles where I have used the Roland's Cover Tools (a simple 'one button' complete revoice of a style) to create something fresh, or turn a rock style into something a bit softer, and the nature of Ketron's audio loops negates this idea totally. If you are content with ONLY the included ROM styles in an Audya, you are good to go. But how GOOD those styles sound is also its' Achilles heel... translated styles and user styles won't sound NEARLY as good, and from what I've seen for the SD-1/5/3, Ketron aren't exactly overwhelming you with new content all the time...

No doubt at all it sounds great OOTB (one of my primary concerns), but where you can take it from THERE is more limited than what I currently have. Perhaps, when Ketron address making new styles from loops as easy as other manufacturers make editing and 'frankenstyling' (thanks, Ian!) theirs, and show us their commitment to a steady supply of new styles, when Ketron show us whatever passes for their style editing tools in new OS's, I can revisit the issue.

posted 02-06-2010 02:40 PM            

i totally agree

posted 02-07-2010 04:42 AM         

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Originally posted by Diki:

Unless space is at a VERY high premium, I can't think why anyone that actually CAN play a keyboard would bother with the hassle of a module...

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Because some people want the best of 2 worlds... they want 88 keys and a superb piano action and top of the bill synth performance (Motif/M3) and an arranger... this is where modules shine..

Or they want to add an arranger to their digital piano at home. Arranger piano's are not on par with totl arrangers.

Or they want to add Audya styles to their great sounding PA2X or T3. but not use 2 keyboards on stage..

A friend of mine is using an 88 key Oasys combined with a Roland V-synth and a Wersi module as a OMB (and a PC for VSTís), but also uses this stuff in the studio. He has absolutely no room for a keybedded arranger on stage as a 3 piece setup would make him loose the contact with his audience. (he has setup his system like a V, with V-synth to the right and wersi to the left.

Lambert is most of the time using a Ketron module next to his Wersi organ, its a great addition to the Wersi sound.

How many more reasons do you need for modules?

posted 02-07-2010 04:59 AM         

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Originally posted by Diki:
Unless space is at a VERY high premium, I can't think why anyone that actually CAN play a keyboard would bother with the hassle of a module...

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I know quite a few Hammond Players that have arrangers and a number of Pianists. You are right though, by far the biggest market is accordianists in Europe.

TWD

posted 02-07-2010 09:12 AM         

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Originally posted by Tonewheeldude:
I know quite a few Hammond Players that have arrangers and a number of Pianists. You are right though, by far the biggest market is accordianists in Europe.

TWD

[This message has been edited by Tonewheeldude (edited 02-07-2010).]

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You can mod accorden keys on any of the top arrangers in europe...

posted 02-07-2010 10:23 AM            

AUDYA-M is a REALITY?

Diki,

why AUDYA module?
because i can take it to practice easily, easy transport, as i can have keyboards at home and friends house, and just plug in AUDYA and module

i can use 88key like was said,

or i can plug it to my AKAI MPK61
or my smaller Korg XD3, or even a 25 key key controller JUST for chords/accomp,

and use another keyboard for solo/right hand, etc

you see, versatility is what the AUDYA-M would give you...

posted 02-07-2010 03:40 PM            

Regarding Technics......
Is very different way some business are conducted in USA and Mexico than in Europe, many manufacturers give certain line and or models to "Organ & Piano" stores, and others to "Combo/Pro" line stores, and the markup prices in the Piano & Organ stores are VERY HIGH. Here Roland did the same with the E80 and G70, then later, changed and probably a little to late.

I saw it myself several years ago the KN7000 in the store in Phoenix AZ with a tag of $6,000.00 dls....about the same of the AUDYA now....and that was 7 years ago more or less.
If that is not high, well.....

And even before I moved to USA, in Mexico I saw a similar situation, for a fact, I know that a KN 6500 was sold for $4,500.00 dls. to a friend of mine, whom I later sold my Ketron SD1.

Now, if you have a more "relaxed" markup, the sales chances are to be MUCH higher, therefore more revenue....

Is just the way it was.

posted 02-07-2010 09:50 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by leezone:
AJ

price of AUDYA module should be price of SD3, and price of SD3 should drop...

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Leezone,

posted 02-07-2010 10:03 PM         

quote:

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Originally posted by leezone:
AJ

price of AUDYA module should be price of SD3, and price of SD3 should drop...

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This would mean that the Ketron Module would be a simplified version of The Audya, missing most of the features, sounds and styles of the orriginal model...

If they make it the same machine without the keybed, al features and sounds intoo it, i don't expect it to be more then $500 cheeper then the 76 key audya.

So either way you are going to be unhappy with the price or with the feature set of the module.

posted 02-08-2010 01:10 AM            

The reason Roland, Yamaha and Korg have managed to keep prices low is to manufacture them in China, with their artificially low wages. Unless Ketron take this step (very difficult to do - look at all the labor problems Roland had moving arranger production from Italy to China), I doubt you are going to see a big drop in their prices. You want a state of the art audio/MIDI arranger, with features no other arranger has, and you want it CHEAPER?

posted 02-08-2010 07:33 AM         

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Originally posted by Diki:
AFAIK, Ketron don't offshore their production. It is still, I understand, being made in the EU, in Italy, right?

The reason Roland, Yamaha and Korg have managed to keep prices low is to manufacture them in China, with their artificially low wages. Unless Ketron take this step (very difficult to do - look at all the labor problems Roland had moving arranger production from Italy to China), I doubt you are going to see a big drop in their prices. You want a state of the art audio/MIDI arranger, with features no other arranger has, and you want it CHEAPER?

What is being smoked by some of our members?

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Beleive me if i tell you that all the components come from south eastern production, all they do in Ittaly is assembly of the systems and software install..

The high prices for Ketron are mainly because of the hugh investment in new technologies (Auio styles) research and development combined with the relatively low number of systems they sell.. And espescially this major part of the cost needs to be done in europe as they have the knowledge.

Electonics hardware (components) is becomming cheeper every day, so the hardware can't be a main part of the costs.. its the software development

Since Yamaha sells much more units they can spread out the development costs of new technologies over much more keyboards and so it has less influence on the price..

For instance Yamaha's development investment intoo super articulation sounds will make them money in Tyros, top models PSR and Motif... For Ketron there is just a relatively low number of Auya's to gaet their investments back..

posted 02-08-2010 09:10 AM            

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Originally posted by Bachus:
Beleive me if i tell you that all the components come from south eastern production, all they do in Ittaly is assembly of the systems and software install..

The high prices for Ketron are mainly because of the hugh investment in new technologies (Auio styles) research and development combined with the relatively low number of systems they sell.. And espescially this major part of the cost needs to be done in europe as they have the knowledge.

Electonics hardware (components) is becomming cheeper every day, so the hardware can't be a main part of the costs.. its the software development

Since Yamaha sells much more units they can spread out the development costs of new technologies over much more keyboards and so it has less influence on the price..

For instance Yamaha's development investment intoo super articulation sounds will make them money in Tyros, top models PSR and Motif... For Ketron there is just a relatively low number of Auya's to gaet their investments back..

So all in all, Ketron is to small a company to compete with Roland Korg and Yamaha based on proces, and they can only sell their products if they have a substantiall better quallity then the competition.

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Bachus

I have been in PCB and electronic development before and what you say is correct, it would be better for Ketron to make up and assemble outside of Italy. I don’t know if the people running Ketron would want to do that, every KB they release appears to be behind the times the day it comes onto the market. Ketron appear to have a fundamental flaw and perhaps its management, they survive only by luck and avoiding a major crisis by default. I think they must live on a knife edge, certainly not in the fast lane, if the shares came on the market it would be like Lehman Brothers all over again. If you look closely at the PA2x and forget how each sample sounds, take this out of it, the KBs perhaps look similar, but there is much more technology in the PA2x than the Audya. But the cost of the PA2x is £2000.00 below the Audya, you need to look if there is £2000.00 more in sounds, or will there be on OS4, but we haven’t got OS4 and there is no guarantee that we will ever get it. My advice to anyone is to hold off buying Audya until you see the whites of Ketron eyes, it’s all bull**** at the moment and it’s not worth the extra £2000.00. The cost to build the Audya will be much less than the PA2x which ever country it’s built in.

Your Quote

"The high prices for Ketron are mainly because of the hugh investment in new technologies"

Don't believe a word of this, they are well behind.

Tony