posted 11-19-2009 01:21 PM         

Today, I had the chance, to test the Wing.

At first, I have to tell you, that Wersi send me an invitation, to make some playing tests on it, weeks ago. I was really really proud and surprised about it!

Well, I have to say, that it is a very very great instrument!

The sound is great (unfortunally, it hasnīt any intern boxes!).

In the next weeks, wersi would like to send me one, to bring up some stuff to youtube.

When I got more information about it, I will take you all on the actually stand!

Best regards from germany! Robert ,-)

posted 11-19-2009 05:26 PM            

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(unfortunally, it hasnīt any intern boxes! )

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Can you please explain that again thank you. Your English is very good but I'm not sure what you mean when you say is doesn't have any intern boxes.

posted 11-22-2009 04:16 PM            

Personally for me I'd see that as a positive. Keyboards with on-board speakers tend to be considered less professional and more budget or home keyboards. The are no use on stage or in the Studio, so the only use you might use them is in the home.

I know that's a rather general statement I've just painted every arranger keyboard with, but there is a certain amount of truth to it.

I bet the Pegasus will sound far better through a pair of studio monitors than it could ever with internal speakers.

posted 11-22-2009 05:25 PM            

I don't care if someone doesn't think the arranger isn't "pro"...I like the convenience of not having to switch on my monitors if I just want to play for a bit, or do some style editing.

My synths and band keyboards never had speakers, but somehow, to me, having them on an arranger seems more appropriate....sort of the all-in-one, go anywhere music laboratory/studio/fun machine.

I've made some serious money with an instrument that some pros don't take seriously.

posted 11-22-2009 06:08 PM            

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and I find it amazing what some people will use as a measurement of whether or not a KB is 'PROFESSIONAL'

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Me too, but can you see what I mean though ?. I did point out that it was painting all arrangers with a very general statement, but there is a certain amount of truth to it.

Throw everything into one big pot, workstations, arrangers and home keyboards. Then stand back and look at what you have here.

Both Yamaha and KORG have moved away from including them on-board and workstations don't have them either. Generally speaking only the budget lower priced keyboards do nowadays, where the more expensive models don't.

So there is a certain amount of truth in the statement. What ya think ?

It has not always been this way, but in the last few years it's hard to ignore.

posted 11-22-2009 06:29 PM            

The newer Roland arrangers offer speakers(Prelude) or speaker-less(GW-8)..of course, they are low end, but they still offer many pro features (except style assembly... Grrrr).

The Tyros has always offered matching (attachable) factory speakers as an option.

The MOTL arrangers, like the S910, are far from being a burden instruments in this range used to be...in fact ever since the PSR-2k, the mid line is impressive to play...I have the Tyros3 here as well, and I prefer playing the S910...it's just exactly what I want in an arranger...especially the built in speakers.

I forgot...one of my first band keyboards, the Hammond M-3, had a built in speaker...I'm so ashamed.

Ian

posted 11-22-2009 06:40 PM            

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The Korg PA-800 has built in speakers, as well as Roland's recently departed E-80...I would say they are TOTL arrangers.

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I can't comment on the Roland because I don't really know where they stand right now in the market and if they are going to push forward with flagship arrangers.

But if you take KORG, the Pa800 is the budget version of the Pa2X and so that kind of reinforces what I'm saying here.

KORG add to this a little bit more than others do too to make the separation. For example, take the Pa1X Pro and the Pa1X. The pro edition is made from metal and has no speakers, and the standard version is made from plastic and does have speaker.

Even back as far as the i-Series. i30 no speakers, lower models did have speakers.

Yamaha PSR 9000 and the PSR 9000 Pro, again one with and one without speakers.

The Tyros Series 1, 2 and 3. Now speakers and not even standard.

Ketron Audya... again no speakers.

posted 11-22-2009 07:01 PM            

The Tyros sort of covers both pro and home, so Yamaha has not needed an extra model, and I don't think we'll see a 76'er in this instrument....only way would be if the pro division picks up the torch, and does a combination 88/76 Motif-Tyros hybrid based arranger with arps, full featured sequencer and auto accompaniment in one (or two) instruments.

I wouldn't buy a digital piano without speakers either...I like the feeling the vibration imparts to the fingers, and the stereo separation in front of me....like a piano!

The S910 sort of does a similar thing...more intimate when the speakers are so close, and pointing up at you.

It's too bad things sometimes get defined that way....speakers on-board not being pro.

The CP-300 I had here had built in speakers, and awesome they were...as loud and as good as my MS60S monitors, but it was 62 lbs without the road case...eeeeek!

Today, it's give me something light (under 30 lbs) and something with speakers, and frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn if it's considered non-pro.