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weissefar Member	posted 03-28-2006 07:28 PM Read more here: http://www.selskabsmusikeren.dk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=410&Itemid=2 IP: Logged
vic83 Member	posted 03-28-2006 07:29 PM http://www.roland.com/products/en/E-80/index.html http://www.roland.com/products/en/E-50/index.html http://www.roland.com/products/en/E-60/index.html IP: Logged
Dnj Member	posted 03-28-2006 07:37 PM Thanx for the info looks like a nice unit. Tyros 2 LOOK OUT !!!! 49lbs... [This message has been edited by Dnj (edited 03-28-2006).] IP: Logged
nielshs Member	posted 03-28-2006 08:29 PM Good news [This message has been edited by nielshs (edited 03-28-2006).] [This message has been edited by nielshs (edited 03-28-2006).] IP: Logged
Clif Anderson Member	posted 03-28-2006 08:30 PM Well the 1G Wave Rom sounded pretty good until I read it was giga BITS (not Bytes), so its 128 MB wave rom, way behind Tyros 2. Otherwise, looks interesting. Nice to have 2 SRX slots. IP: Logged
DonM Member	posted 03-28-2006 09:06 PM More than 49 pounds. DonM IP: Logged
jamman Member	posted 03-28-2006 10:26 PM new design/look(even the buttons,speakers) reminds me of what?... -Hmm.PA 1x (not the pro )anyone? Good for roland.I think g70 fails to sell well.And it's like quick action from roland to maintain as a player (for a hit Keyboard)in pro arranger world.It has been a while when yammies(and some Korgs)are leading in the market(yes pro market).Time for g1x /e 86 days when roland was the obvious choice. 6 fills are good,hopefully it has individual buttons. possible drawbacks in the market- E 80 pro version is 61 keys,yet it's 49 lbs. lighter and mid priced 76 keys e 60 (and 61 keys e50),no VH(if they plan to beat current best seller yam 3k,they should have put a VH-even with basic functions)if they plan to retail around $1200 to $ 1500(extra $200-300 is worth if you are gettin BUILT IN VH for convinience)(though outboard VH gear starts from $ 325). [This message has been edited by jamman (edited 03-28-2006).] IP: Logged
Clif Anderson Member	posted 03-29-2006 12:16 AM Of the Yamahas, this is closest to the PSR9000 in niche, weight, and probably price, which I guess will be about $4K retail. It will probably be sold through Roland's Musical Instrument division rather than the Pro division, so discounts will be hard to come by. My guess is that the weight is due to the speakers. The PSR9000 was about 10lbs heavier than the PSR8000 largely due to the use of wood in the upgraded speakers. IP: Logged
nielshs Member	posted 03-29-2006 05:10 AM Hi The E-80 price in Denmark is 3900 Euro. The price for the G-70 is 3000 Euro. Regards Niels IP: Logged
Taike Member	posted 03-29-2006 05:48 AM quote: Originally posted by nielshs: Hi The E-80 price in Denmark is 3900 Euro. The price for the G-70 is 3000 Euro. Regards Niels Am a bit confused (as usual). I thought the G-70 was Roland's top model or is that place taken by the E-80 now? The G-70 is 2340 Euro in Taiwan. Not that it matters. Taike ------------------ Khoi huk ngam sud tee huk kon diow. IP: Logged
Fran Carango Member	posted 03-29-2006 06:19 AM <img src=http://www.roland.com/products/com/E-80/images/top_L.jpg> It is the same counter product as the G1000/EM2000...Clif is right on the pricing...My guess $3,000 street.. The pics are not showing..Copy and paste to your browser.. The PA1X and the E-80 look like kissing cousins.. http://www.roland.com/products/en/E-80/specs.html http://korg.com/gear/info.asp?a_prod_no=PA1X&category_id=1 [This message has been edited by Fran Carango (edited 03-29-2006).] IP: Logged
Fran Carango Member	posted 03-29-2006 06:26 AM <img src=http://korg.com/gear/images/products/info/info_PA1X.jpg> Look familiar IP: Logged
George Kaye Member	posted 03-29-2006 06:52 AM Looking at the specs, the E80 looks like they took the G70 and packaged it in a 61 key with speaker version. I do see there are 2 expansion slots compared to the G70's one slot and that there are about 90 more factory styles. Almost every other feature looks just like the G70. The six fill ins are not on dedicated buttons on the G70 so I would think the E80 would be set up the same way. There is an Auto Fill buttons which when lit does a fill when you push variation buttons within the style. You have 4 fill ins when you press from one variation to another. Also, when you go from 1 - 2 and then back from 2 -1, you get a different fill. 3-4 and back also gives you two different fills, so this is how you end up with 6 on the Roland keyboards. George Kaye Kaye's Music Scene Reseda, California IP: Logged
spalding Member	posted 03-29-2006 10:12 AM it does look very similar to the PA1X. If it sounds like it then Roland G70 sales will drop dramatically and finally Roland will have a worthy contender in the arranger market. If it has similar sounds as the G70 unfortunately it will flop. You might think that i have a downer on the G70. I dont, i really want to like the instrumenmt but the sound is..... Even when it is played so well by the guy from the Danish G70 club ( and he plays very well by the way ) it still does not compete in tonality even to the PSR3000 which is half the price. Great to see that inbuilt speakers are coming back in vogue. IP: Logged
nielshs Member	posted 03-29-2006 10:51 AM Hi Spalding A lot of keyboardplayers like the G-70 sound and don�t like the Yamaha sound. I got a Tyros myself in November 2005, but didn�t like the sound, and sold it 5 weeks later. The E-80 has new sampled sounds. The drums are improved and the guitar sounds are multisampled. The effect part is improved. You can ajust e.g. EQ on every single drum sound and style/song parts. And there is 3 MFX for the style/song etc. Regards Niels [This message has been edited by nielshs (edited 03-29-2006).] IP: Logged
Fran Carango Member	posted 03-29-2006 11:18 AM It is amazing, everyone I know with a trusted opinion has picked the G70 as the best or second best arranger of the current market..The only dissenting opinion that has merit is Craig[but I believe he had an early model that has been rectified].. Most of the other dissenting people, haven't a clue what they are talking about...They have not owned a G70[or any Roland top of the line board]...and are fixed on their Yamaha[inferior boards, I am not talking Tyros specifically, but the other PSR's].. I trust opinions from George, AJ, Frankieve, James and others that have spent time with the G70..Also the vast majority of AJ's sessions picked the G70 in most categories.. I mentioned to DNJ last week that Roland was coming out with a line to compete with the PSR's[and Tyros]....I will take a quote from Don Mason "I told you so".. Think about it ...real keys!! Roland chose to add the guitar mode on the lower line, as well 16mbs flash memory.. If you are looking for a new board...better take a long look at the Roland line, and not settle for another re packaged keyboard from the other guys.. Also Roland is including the Lyrics and chord reads now...finally[they should have always been available]..without an external device.. George, when you get prices, please post for us..My guess $1,200 for the E50, and $1,400 for the E60[street]..If they are MI dealer pieces.. IP: Logged
nielshs Member	posted 03-29-2006 11:35 AM Hi Fran You are so right. Best Regards Niels IP: Logged
Stephenm52 Member	posted 03-29-2006 12:30 PM Originally Posted by Fran quote: George, when you get prices, please post for us..My guess..... and $1,400 for the E60[street]..If they are MI dealer pieces.. 76 keys for $1400 definitely worth a look at, especially with "76" keys Yeah! [This message has been edited by Stephenm52 (edited 03-29-2006).] IP: Logged
Dnj Member	posted 03-29-2006 12:48 PM Why no weight on spec sheet for the E50? cant wait to try one .......could be a good backup KB we'll see..... BTW Fran I agree totaly..... IP: Logged
Craig_UK Member	posted 03-29-2006 01:21 PM Fran if you are meaning me (Craig) I've never purchased a G70 and wouldn't touch one with a barge pole. My neighbour had one and didn't get on with it at all. For me Roland has not delivered the goods with an arranger other than the old G1000 so lets hope this new one takes a step back to the likes of the G1000 but improves on it with modern sounds, styles and features Hang on I see it's only 61 notes though [This message has been edited by Craig_UK (edited 03-29-2006).] IP: Logged
nielshs Member	posted 03-29-2006 01:37 PM Craig UK You have never owned a G-70, and for that reason totaly incompetent to judge the G-70. So why are you spreading negative comments about a VERY good keyboard? Its incredible. Please STOP that. IP: Logged
Craig_UK Member	posted 03-29-2006 01:47 PM nielshs I had one for 2 weeks and didn't buy it. I've also used the neighbours and set it him up for quite a few weeks so I know enough about it to form an opinion. Even though you love Roland don't try telling me what I can and can't do on here. We are all entitled to our opinions whether others like it or not! IP: Logged
nielshs Member	posted 03-29-2006 02:01 PM Every time someone starts a tread about Roland keyboards, there are 2 persons, you and Spalding that comes up with negative comments. I think every member of SZ knows whats your opinions are regarding the G-70. So why post this over and over again. I would never start posting negative comments everytime someone talkes about e.g the Tyros2 even though I dont like the sound. /Niels IP: Logged
Craig_UK Member	posted 03-29-2006 02:04 PM nielshs can't be bothered to banter with you I have far better things to waste my time on - like playing on the TYROS 2 lol IP: Logged
nielshs Member	posted 03-29-2006 02:09 PM Thats good, thanks Enjoy your Tyros2 and I will enjoy my G-70. Best Regards Niels [This message has been edited by nielshs (edited 03-29-2006).] IP: Logged
Marilyn Boissoneault Member	posted 03-29-2006 02:19 PM OOOOH the E80 sounds great. I really like the G70 but I don't like buying a keyboard without internal speakers. I have speakers, but I use them to add richness to the on board sound, not replace it. I also prefer the 61 keys. I can't wait to see one. Roland has kept this one secret, I've not even heard a rumor on it before. Marilyn IP: Logged
Spalding1 Member	posted 03-29-2006 03:04 PM sorry neilsh. I dont mean to cause you any offence. Dont want to start another discussion on the G70. I want to like the instrument but my ears cant.I am qualified to express an opinion on all the keyboards i have used and do so liberally when i feel like it.There are moderators on this board and if i have been offensive then i invite them to notify me or curtail my posts as they see fit.I have not intentionally tried to ofend anyone and keep my critiscisms to what i have experienced 1st hand.a Keyboard is just some expensive plastic ,wies and circuits. Dont be so sensitive about it! I am sure others do like the G70 . I only hope that the E80 is more successful than the G70 in sales terms just to add more choice and innovation in the arranger market which can never be a bad thing. I will try not to say anything about the G70 unless there is a post about it.But my comments will be honest ones not to cause ofence, simply to inform and help potential users with their purchases.Noone is obligated to accept my views as Gospel. I cant be fairer than that, Best wishes. Spalding IP: Logged
CoasterTim Member	posted 03-29-2006 06:46 PM These new Rolands will not do well either if they are sold by a handful of CK dealers like the G70 is. What's up with Roland? People can't see and touch and hear their products if they don't put them in stores that are accessible! IP: Logged
Shiju Member	posted 03-29-2006 08:03 PM I am an alltime Roland fan (Owned all the E Series upto 60), started playing Arranger Keyboards in 1980 (With Casiotone 701 and Yamaha PSR20). Now owning a Ketron SD1 and Yamaha PSR 3000. Was Waiting for a Roland Arranger, which would be the flagship of all the arrangers in the market right now.... IP: Logged
Alex K Member	posted 03-29-2006 10:28 PM Nielshs, As a long-time Roland user and someone who had an opportunity to play G70 at a music store (a rarity in the US), I believe I am quailfied to share my comments about Roland (and if I weren't I would not need anyone to tell me that). The real issue is whether people's opinions are objective, or they are colored by an irrational devotion to, or predjudice against a particular manufacturer. To that end, I want to ask you a question: is there anything that you do not like about the G70, or feel needs improving? Knowing your answer would help us figure for ourselves how objective your opinions are. Regards, Alex IP: Logged
K.Boarder Member	posted 03-30-2006 12:41 AM What I see is this: The message was "Roland has released the E80". A new arrangerkey- board. Why are there such negative reactions when nobody has heared this instrument. This must be a kind of illness. Please give it a chance and try to keep your vomit inside. IP: Logged
spalding Member	posted 03-30-2006 01:32 AM Noone has given any negative comments about the E80. What do you mean "please keep your vomit inside " ? Where has anyone posted anything in this thread that merrits this kind of comment? This doesnt need to escalate into anything more than a discussion about keyboards. So please dont add petrol. Simple IP: Logged
adimatis Member	posted 03-30-2006 01:56 AM you're right! so, these new arrangers from roland... what do you think, would that bring down the prices for all the other arranger lines from roland (meaning gw7, exrs, g70, e09)? and what i am really curious is what do you think the keybed (key feel) is in these instruments?... [This message has been edited by adimatis (edited 03-30-2006).] IP: Logged
Alex K Member	posted 03-30-2006 06:21 AM quote: Originally posted by K.Boarder: What I see is this: The message was "Roland has released the E80". A new arrangerkey- board. Why are there such negative reactions when nobody has heared this instrument. This must be a kind of illness. Please give it a chance and try to keep your vomit inside. K., I am more surprised at such a euphoric reaction of some people, who have not heard the instrument. To me release of the E80 is a non-event. It is just another example of Roland ignoring users' [my] needs, which are so well articulated in forums like this. Unless the e80 comes with a roadie, I would not be able to use it, even if the key feel was ideal, and the sound system was 100 Watt. Not only does it weigh a ton, it still has only 61 keys, navigagtion buttons nearly stuck together, and the dreaded touchscreen navigation. So to me this is a top keyboard by weight only. I also did not appreciate the attempt to confuse the potential users by listing the size of the sound ROM in bits. What will they do next - list the number of transistors on the sound chip? Sorry if my comments sound negative, I am just a bit disappointed that Roland is yet again proving that they don't care about users like me. As a long-time Roland user, I really, really want to see a new high-end instrument intended for people playing live, like I do. Perhaps I don't do it as frequently as some of the full-time pros in this forum, but to me suitability for playing live is one of the main criteria of judging an arranger instrument. It is sad to see Roland yet again falling short of my needs. Regards, Alex IP: Logged
Fran Carango Member	posted 03-30-2006 06:34 AM Alex, I hear you.... Maybe we have to adapt...When I first had a DisCover5,My first response was.."What in the world am I going to do with this"...A couple years later, I forced myself to look deeper and see if I can get anything out of this board...I have grown to love this board..It has features that I hope Roland continues to use with all it's new boards..Some of these are on the current boards..Namely, the best vocalizer I have used..Great storage media, great lyric and chord extractions, and markers for SMF's...throw in the cover functions...it is and was a winner from day one.. I too, see things that I may not like[prefer] on the G70...Time will tell[after I play or own one]... IP: Logged
Starkeeper Member	posted 03-30-2006 07:17 AM It doesn't have a harmonizer!! That is not important for me, but it will not be able to go head to head with a PSR3100. Why does Roland do this? What's a rotary encoder? The "Guitar Mode" sounds intriguing. I would love to have another Roland. Roland's regular voices are better then Yamaha's in the mid-range area. I will definitely demo this unit and a PSR3100 before making a decision. Starkeeper IP: Logged
adimatis Member	posted 03-30-2006 07:56 AM sorry, am i late with the latest news? 3100? is it a real project already, or you meant for the undefined future? [This message has been edited by adimatis (edited 03-30-2006).] IP: Logged
Fran Carango Member	posted 03-30-2006 08:00 AM You can make it true...Change a zero to one on your PSR3000, and use nail polish, painting afew buttons...Bingo , you have the new PSR3100!!!! IP: Logged
Wis Member	posted 03-30-2006 08:05 AM My G70 is a very good instrument and I think the E80 could even be better. Let us wait untill we heared it before judg- ing. It is a wellknown fact that some of the members of this forum try to create a nega- tive atmosphere around Roland keyboards. Nobody knows why but they did this several times before. They do not own a Roland and their opinion can not be taken serious and fair. Intelligent raeders in this forum know how to value their comments. IP: Logged
Wis Member	posted 03-30-2006 08:19 AM I forgot to say the E80 will have a vocal- harmoniser. IP: Logged

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