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Fran Carango Member	posted 03-30-2006 08:24 AM BTW...Has anyone noticed the amp section of the E-80...2x35 and 2x12....a total of 94 watts...WOW, this is the largest in a Roland arranger to date..It I am correct, it is larger than the Korg PA1x and Technics kn7000.. Even though it is a little heavy...to have a 4 speaker system with this power...could be a great thing... IP: Logged
Craig_UK Member	posted 03-30-2006 08:32 AM Wis, I will gladly buy one of these new Rolands to replace my old Ketron SD1 if it truly sounds good when I can view and play one. Everyone on this forum also knows that you and nielshs overpraise the G70 for the simple reason that you both own and like it that much. I praise the Tyros 2 on here in the same way and I also used to praise the Ketron SD1 and even my G1000 which I still have and would never part with. I am a Roland user (G1000) and have also used loads of their top end synthesisers going right back to the days of the D50. I am not anti Roland in any way even though some in the minority may think so having read what I thought about the G70 At the end of the day it's each to their own but neither Roland, Yamaha or any other are the best keyboards. Each manufacturer has it's own weak points as well as its strengths, they always will do. IP: Logged
Dnj Member	posted 03-30-2006 08:42 AM quote: Originally posted by Fran Carango: BTW...Has anyone noticed the amp section of the E-80...2x35 and 2x12....a total of 94 watts...WOW, this is the largest in a Roland arranger to date..It I am correct, it is larger than the Korg PA1x and Technics kn7000.. Even though it is a little heavy...to have a 4 speaker system with this power...could be a great thing... On small gigs it could eliminate carrying a small amp also.....or act like a tremendous personal monitor for big jobs combined with a Pa system...we'll see all in due ti.me I hope IP: Logged
Starkeeper Member	posted 03-30-2006 11:02 AM quote: Originally posted by adimatis: sorry, am i late with the latest news? 3100? is it a real project already, or you meant for the undefined future? [This message has been edited by adimatis (edited 03-30-2006).] For the undefined future. (Just the next logical model number). Someone posted a while back this would be at the end of this year, not this summer as is the usual case with Yamaha. The E60 has a D-beam, E50 does not. A Rotary encoder is a data wheel? Starkeeper [This message has been edited by Starkeeper (edited 03-30-2006).] [This message has been edited by Starkeeper (edited 03-30-2006).] IP: Logged
Clif Anderson Member	posted 03-30-2006 09:34 PM A "rotary encoder" is an endlessly turning knob. Most knobs have limits on how far they can be turned clockwise and counterclockwise. A rotary encoder can be turned in either direction indefinitely. Roland's "alpha dials" and "data wheels" are rotary encoders. My favorite rotary encoders are like those on the Nord Modular G2--with LED rings to show the current value. Let me try this again. A rotary encoder encodes changes in orientation, while a knob "encodes" orientation. Let's say you have a volume knob that you have used to set the volume of a synth program. Then you change to a program with a different default volume setting. At that point, the knob's orientation does not match the new volume setting. Using a rotary encoder instead of a knob solves this problem. quote: Originally posted by Starkeeper: It doesn't have a harmonizer!! That is not important for me, but it will not be able to go head to head with a PSR3100. Why does Roland do this? What's a rotary encoder? The "Guitar Mode" sounds intriguing. I would love to have another Roland. Roland's regular voices are better then Yamaha's in the mid-range area. I will definitely demo this unit and a PSR3100 before making a decision. Starkeeper [This message has been edited by Clif Anderson (edited 03-30-2006).] [This message has been edited by Clif Anderson (edited 03-30-2006).] IP: Logged
Starkeeper Member	posted 03-31-2006 04:58 AM Thanks for clarifying Cliff. Star IP: Logged
George Kaye Member	posted 03-31-2006 06:28 AM My Roland MI rep was in my store yesterday and told me of 3 new products he would be selling me that are being shown at the show right now. He didn't know anything about the new E series keyboards, which leads me to think these products will be sold here in the USA by the CK division. If this happens, there won't be many dealers around the country to find these in. George Kaye Kaye's Music Scene Reseda, California IP: Logged
CoasterTim Member	posted 03-31-2006 06:39 AM If it does turn out that only CK dealers will carry them, then few of us will actually get to see these boards and few will be sold. I guess that's the way Roland wants it. That's too bad. Tim IP: Logged
Starkeeper Member	posted 03-31-2006 09:22 AM quote: Originally posted by George Kaye: My Roland MI rep was in my store yesterday and told me of 3 new products he would be selling me that are being shown at the show right now. George Kaye Kaye's Music Scene Reseda, California George, Can you tell us what these 3 model are? What does CK and MI stand for? Starkeeper [This message has been edited by Starkeeper (edited 03-31-2006).] IP: Logged
Fran Carango Member	posted 03-31-2006 12:16 PM E80, E60, and E50.. MI ...Musical Instrument[dealer] CK...Contempory Keyboard[dealer] IP: Logged
brickboo Member	posted 03-31-2006 02:37 PM Fran, Please tell me what or who is CK. Also explain the use and importance of marking a SMF in an arranger keyboard. I really don't know. Again, what's wrong with me? What am I missing? Am I cheating my fans? Needless to say I feel stupid again. Does the Midjay mark SMF? Man I'm never gonna catch up! As a matter of fact I feel like I'm being left in the dust. I may go back to laying brick! IP: Logged
tony mads usa Member	posted 03-31-2006 04:16 PM boo ... to my knowledge, marking a standard midi file (SMF) means you have the ability to 'mark' where the chorus is, where the 'bridge' is etc. and then you are able to go back to those 'marks' during performance ... it gives you the freedom to 'arrange' or lengthen the song during performance, much like you might do if you were just using a atyle or playing with a 'live' band ... t. IP: Logged
brickboo Member	posted 03-31-2006 04:41 PM Tony thanks, that would be handy for using a bit of midi files. Who is CK? IP: Logged
MrEd Member	posted 03-31-2006 04:52 PM [QUOTE]Originally posted by brickboo: ..... Again, what's wrong with me? What am I missing? Am I cheating my fans? Needless to say I feel stupid again.... Man I'm never gonna catch up! As a matter of fact I feel like I'm being left in the dust. I may go back to laying brick![QUOTE] Boo, you're not alone. I recently thought, back to the acoustic squeeze box and the trombone for me IP: Logged
Craig_UK Member	posted 04-01-2006 07:30 AM Ketron AJ mentions on an above posting he is getting rid of 3 G70's to make way for E80's and E90's. Is the E90 a mistake on his part or is this a bigger version of the E80 (76 note maybe) that hasn't been mentioned yet? IP: Logged
Fran Carango Member	posted 04-01-2006 08:10 AM Craig, I am sure AJ meant E60.. IP: Logged
Starkeeper Member	posted 04-03-2006 09:35 AM quote: Originally posted by brickboo: Tony thanks, that would be handy for using a bit of midi files. Who is CK? CK is a type of instrument dealer, 'Contemporary Keyboard' dealer, according to Fran. Since Roland will not sell these keyboards through ALL of their dealers, there will be less visibility. What is wrong with their marketing department. I guess they are protecting their specialty dealers and lowering their sales. Starkeeper IP: Logged
john smies Member	posted 04-03-2006 11:55 AM Sorry guys but I am no longer a regular here so just got to read this thread....... I guess I am taking offence to Niels'remark that only Craig and Spalding find fault with the G70 (haha) , as most of you know by now , so do I, and I have in detailed explained myself. Although not owing a G70 myself I have played it quite a few times at a friend's of mine. Which is more than I can say for our friend Fran !! Now don't get carried away Fran cause I mean no disrespect but for ages now I have been wanting to say this, as you keep on raving about the G-1000 and all subsequent Roland issues. YOu have never ever played a G70, by your own admission, though it has been on the market for well over a year. Despite the fact you cannot stop from blowing its horn, figuratively this time. I have some trouble here in taking you seriously on that issue. Anyway , as to the new E80, I concur with others like Spalding who remarked that if it is basically a G70 with speakers and a few more minor changes/additions it won't rock the boat. If you look at the professional keyboard market at present you need no college education to notice that Yamaha and Korg have swept the board and that Roland is badly trailing. I find no satisfaction in saying so, I am merely stating a fact. Hell, I still have my old E70 !!!!! regards, john IP: Logged
nielshs Member	posted 04-03-2006 01:23 PM OH, I forgot you john, sorry . You have never heard the E-80. But you don�t like the G-70 and for that reason you don�t like the E-80. You don�t like Roland arranger keyboard. Thats OK. The technical level in todays Roland arrangers is probably too high for you, so keep your good old E-70. It sounds great. /Niels IP: Logged
Fran Carango Member	posted 04-03-2006 04:24 PM John, as you said, I have not played G70 yet..and as I have mentioned in other post, I have owned all the counter products that make up the G70. Namely, FantomX, VK8, and DisCover5..The Fantom X is the best current workstation[I also owned a Triton Studio]..The VK organ, also the best, even competes with the new Hammond models[better than my older Korg CX-3]..and the DisCover5, with the best harmonizer[yes better than the Helicon TC unit on the Korg PA1X].. These are the points that I base my opinions, and I have always reserved my final comments[good or bad] when I get to spend time with a G70[not a couple hours, but days].. Believe it or not , I am open minded about all the lines...I have owned all of them..Yamaha ,Korg, Ketron...and for my personal satisfaction, I have chose to stay with my G1000[ toot, toot], until something lights my fire.. It won't be the Korg[poor design to me'] good sounds, especially organs, but sure isn't in the VK class'.. It won't be a Yamaha, worst keys of all, and majority of sounds just don't appeal to me.. Could be a Ketron, but not another SD1 for me..a better shot would be a Midjay, or a keyboard designed after a Midjay.. These are my personal opinions and based on comparisons of "all" the above boards i have owned.. John, the E70 is a great board and worth keeping[resale value???]..No where in the G1000 class[Toot, Toot!!!]. IP: Logged
Dnj Member	posted 04-03-2006 04:50 PM Hmmmmmmm........Funny how the T2 hype is dwindling fast when new stuff comes along I look at it this way.......... I... can make most any top arranger sound great because of my abilities as a musician...Im not cocky ...just confident in myself.... How,... I have to do it thru onboard navagation of all its features is my upmost personal concern on stage & my final deciding factor in my purchase...... all this hub bub, mine is better then yours senarios, etc. means nothing to me .....when you know whats right FOR YOU when you make music that will be YOUR correct choice in your heart. Dont let others tell you the KB sounds good.... YOU, MAKE it sound good ! [This message has been edited by Dnj (edited 04-03-2006).] IP: Logged
K.Boarder Member	posted 04-04-2006 02:16 AM It is good to see a name as John Smies. Old men like he may speak on this forum just like others do. Do not judge him too hard, he is a real musicman and we are all getting older. I think his favourites are the walz and the veleta and sometimes on a special day a mazurka. I think he lives in a house for elderly people and he is allowed to use the computer. IP: Logged
Craig_UK Member	posted 04-04-2006 04:10 AM DNJ agree with your last post spot on. If you have the skills and abilities you can knock out any tune on any top end arranger and make it sound great. Who cares what make it is. IP: Logged
Dnj Member	posted 04-04-2006 06:11 AM Craig..... now you got the picture my friend......thanx for the reply!! IP: Logged
CoasterTim Member	posted 04-04-2006 07:05 AM "Hmmmmmmm........Funny how the T2 hype is dwindling fast when new stuff comes along" Right you are...and I can't wait until everybody's attention focusses on the hype surrounding the new PSR3100! (or whatever number they'll give the new 3000). Tim IP: Logged
Dnj Member	posted 04-04-2006 08:13 AM Dont be surprised if you never see a 3100 I think Yamaha is refocusing their master plan next time around regarding the arranger world of products....... Tyros/PSR's bye bye......as we know them. IP: Logged
Pacesetter Member	posted 04-04-2006 08:38 AM quote: Originally posted by Dnj: Dont be surprised if you never see a 3100 I think Yamaha is refocusing their master plan next time around regarding the arranger world of products....... Tyros/PSR's bye bye......as we know them. Are you thinking along the idea of modules similar to the Midjay in place of dedicated keyboards? [This message has been edited by Pacesetter (edited 04-04-2006).] IP: Logged
ianmcnll Member	posted 04-04-2006 08:49 AM There will be a new PSR-3000 out next year. It was held back so as not to compete with the Tyros 2. It will set a new standard for its price range just as the 3k has done. There are no plans for an arranger module at present, and it is highly unlikely one will be produced. Ian [This message has been edited by ianmcnll (edited 04-04-2006).] IP: Logged
Beakybird Member	posted 04-04-2006 10:11 AM Speaking of the PSR3000, I think that Roland could take one great idea from Yamaha's 61 key keyboard - make it light. The PSR3000 has a very adequate sound system, and it is very easy to tote around. The PSR9000 had great speakers, but people complained about the weight. Roland didn't learn from Yamaha's mistake, apparently. I'm 44 years old, and I weigh 135lbs. I can't be gigging 10-12 shows a week with a 49lb. monstrosity plus the outboard speakers and stand. Now one thing lagging in the PSR3000 is a professional key feel. But Casio has shown that you can make a keyboard with 88 weighted keys and keep it under 25lbs. This is the digital age, and a 61 key keyboard shouldn't be so heavy. 61 keys means it's for gigging. So I might play the E80, and I might say, I love it, I can afford it. But am I going to kill myself getting it in and out of my trunk and onto the keyboard stand, day after day? No way. Another thing I must say that I like about the PSR3000, is that it is so reasonably priced, that I own two. One stays in my trunk, and the other is in my studio. I don't have to set up the keyboard when I get home to practice. The E80 might be a much more advanced instrument, but if I wanted to own two E80's, that would be a heck of a lot of money. Beakybird IP: Logged
o3bor Member	posted 04-04-2006 11:23 PM Beakybird, the new E-60 and E-50 seem to be the answer to your requests. IP: Logged
Starkeeper Member	posted 04-05-2006 09:39 AM quote: Originally posted by ianmcnll: There will be a new PSR-3000 out next year. It was held back so as not to compete with the Tyros 2. It will set a new standard for its price range just as the 3k has done. There are no plans for an arranger module at present, and it is highly unlikely one will be produced. Ian [This message has been edited by ianmcnll (edited 04-04-2006).] How do you know this? I think it was you that said a new model will be out at the end of the year instead of in the summer. Looks like you were right about that. Starkeeper IP: Logged
Starkeeper Member	posted 04-05-2006 09:42 AM quote: Originally posted by Dnj: Dont be surprised if you never see a 3100 I think Yamaha is refocusing their master plan next time around regarding the arranger world of products....... Tyros/PSR's bye bye......as we know them. I doubt that. There aren't THAT many softsynth users yet, IMO. Starkeeper IP: Logged
K.Boarder Member	posted 04-06-2006 01:14 AM I see a long thread of reactions on the message that Roland has released the E80. The keyboardworld is alive and that is a good thing. The future looks bright with those newcomers on the market. IP: Logged
Starkeeper Member	posted 04-07-2006 08:48 AM quote: Originally posted by K.Boarder: I see a long thread of reactions on the message that Roland has released the E80. The keyboardworld is alive and that is a good thing. The future looks bright with those newcomers on the market. Your right. A new Roland E80,E60,E50 A new Ketron SD5 Yamaha will soon come out with a PSR3000 replacement Hypersonic 2 A new Casio WK3800 Starkeeper IP: Logged
Starkeeper Member	posted 04-18-2006 09:03 AM When will it actually hit the streets? Starkeeper IP: Logged
Dnj Member	posted 04-18-2006 11:59 AM where's the Demos? IP: Logged
Diki Member	posted 04-18-2006 02:53 PM Same place as the E-80........ NOT RELEASED YET! (Patience, my children, patience...............) IP: Logged
renig Member	posted 04-18-2006 05:10 PM quote: Originally posted by Starkeeper: [QUOTE]Originally posted by ianmcnll: [b]There will be a new PSR-3000 out next year. It was held back so as not to compete with the Tyros 2. It will set a new standard for its price range just as the 3k has done. There are no plans for an arranger module at present, and it is highly unlikely one will be produced. Ian [This message has been edited by ianmcnll (edited 04-04-2006).] How do you know this? I think it was you that said a new model will be out at the end of the year instead of in the summer. Looks like you were right about that. Starkeeper [/B][/QUOTE] Looking at ianmcnill's profile I see that it says he's a Yamaha Clinician/Artist PKD. Those titles are a bit vague for me, but it might suggest he has some inside track on Yamaha. Ian, can you expand on this a bit - especially what those profile titles really mean? IP: Logged

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