posted 01-13-2010 07:06 AM            

Please note that there is an index to the styles there also.

Many of you know more about the KN7000 structure than I, but will relay what I know. This is a zip file and should be downloaded to your computer and unzipped. There are several layers to get to the 99 folders. The numbered folders correspond to the index. Please note that you cannot send an entire folder to a floppy, as the KN cannot read beneath the folder itself. When you open a desired folder, you will see all of the comp,efc etc style parts for all 20 styles in a folder. You can copy them to a disk taking care to include all parts of a style.

Some of you more technical members can chime in if you have an easier method.

One important tip is to thoroughly explore your style for panel memories. Many have 8 and are very good. Some don't have any.

Folks, there is enough here to keep you busy for a long time. Wheras you may not care to use them all, they are good nonetheless.

posted 01-13-2010 03:52 PM            

I do not want to complicate matters but I was wondering if there is any way we can use the SD Explorer Tool.

e.g. upzip to new Folder on desktop, copy to blank SD Card, then use the tool to copy and Index the whole lot. It would then be ready to play.

What do you think please?

posted 01-14-2010 01:53 PM            

Howard, The folders which you report as 'empty' is the correct result. These particular TFLD folders were not created on Bernie's card

posted 01-14-2010 05:32 PM         

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Originally posted by Bert Aarts:
Can anyone explain this?

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The answer is because of cluster size, which depends on the format. The 100kB that Bill mentions is less than 2 file saves and the folder structure takes up a few clusters in comparison so the "housekeeping" is pretty insignificant in terms of space a 128MB card.

If you format a 128 card as FAT in windows, it is highly probable that this file will fit, whereas it will not fit on a 128 card formatted in the 7k, this is because of the larger cluster size the 7k produces on the card for digital audio. The windows formatted card will not work for digital audio but if you only ever have technics or midi files on the card it does not matter. Typically the windows FAT format card will have around 30% extra space for technics files practically because of the smaller cluster size.

If the card still does not fit on 128, if it only contains styles and songs and no picture slideshows you can save a lot of space by deleting all the "act" files which use up clusters for no benefit. The easiest way to do this is just to use windows search to find all the *.act files in the folder structure on the pc, select all and delete them. Then copy the PRIVATE folder to a 128 card and I will bet money it will fit.

posted 01-15-2010 07:03 AM            

Can I add my thanks for sharing your styles with us, they are cerainly very good quality. They will be keeping me busy for a month or two.

posted 01-15-2010 01:32 PM            

I wish I knew who created these styles, because, he or she deserves the credit. A good friend and fellow player, Jim Helwig, got this card with his backup KN7000, and copied it for me.

Music is never as good as that which is shared.

posted 01-18-2010 07:47 AM            

Baring any technical PC problem, the only thing I can think of that would cause a delay is the possibility that there are .ast (all custom) files still on the SD from a previous save. It is important that you first delete any existing KN7000 folder before you copy Bernie's KN7000 folder to the Technics folder of the SD.

posted 01-19-2010 09:59 AM            

Bill, thanks for the tips on copying them to an SD Card without too much trouble.

Alec, Thanks for the help on getting them to a 128 SD card. I don't have Audio files, so guess i don't need any of my 128 card formatted on the KN7000. Nice to get some extra free space on the card.

posted 01-20-2010 04:10 PM            

Only just got around to downloading Bernie's styles and studying Bill's instructions.
So far it looks good to me, but as it's so late (yet again) I will look at them all tomorrow.

Thanks everyone for your input, I am sure I would not have been able to manage without it.

Will keep you posted.

posted 01-21-2010 01:33 AM            

The first time I unzipped to the TFL folders, it wouldn't load so I painstakingly opened each folder and copied the contents one group at a time (took nearly two hours)but still no luck and yes! I formatted the disk in the KN7 and did a 'test save' as I normally do.

The only thing I can think of is I usually use Sandisk cards, but this time I used a 2GB Kingston, Would it make a difference Bill?

posted 01-21-2010 04:34 AM            

Using 2GB cards for just KN files is a bit of a waste really since the KN7000 will not 'see' all the capacity anyway! I do realise that the smaller capacity SD Cards are becoming harder to find, but I have had problems with 2GB cards in the past. When it became obvious that 256MB and 512MB cards were becoming scarce, I bought a couple of dozen of them!!
In my experience, both Sandisk and Kingston SD Cards have never given me any problems. According to their website, Amazon still have 256MB and 512MB Sandisk cards..........

If you followed the procedure, I can't understand why you have a problem - as you can see, several others have managed to get the styles on to SD Cards. Are you absolutely sure that you have the correct directory structure on the card? Put the card in your USB Reader/Writer, connect to your PC and access 'My Computer'. You should see amongst the list of disc drives a 'Removable Drive' which will be the SD Card in the Reader/Writer.
Double click on the entry and all you should see is a 'PRIVATE' folder. Now, Double click on the 'PRIVATE' folder and you should see a 'TECHNICS' folder. Double click on the 'TECHNICS' folder and you should see a 'KN7000' folder. Double click on the 'KN7000' folder and you should then see all the 'TFLDxxx' folders. Scroll down the list of TFLDxxx folders and at the bottom of the list, you should see two files called 'KN7000MN.INF and KN7000MN.BAK. If you do not see that structure on the card, then the KN7000 will not recognise the data.

posted 01-21-2010 02:31 PM            

Thank you for your quick response. I saw everything you mentioned and I have to say this is the first time, I've had problems with an SD Card loading properly. Quite rightly, you point out that so many other members have downloaded and are using the styles successfully, that I'm beginning to think it's my PC playing up again.

I have cleared and re-formatted a Sandisk card as instructed and will have another go later on in the evening.

By the way, the reason I use the higher MB cards is because my camera uses them as well and this way, I can mix and match. As you say it's a little cheaper to buy 'bulk'

Will keep you posted.

posted 01-22-2010 06:31 PM            

I would first try to format your old card at your KN7000. Then save whatever is in the KN7000 to the SD card. Yellow SD button – Save – Technics Format - Save. It doesn’t matter what you save, you are just creating a file structure on the SD card. Then have your friend delete the KN7000 folder from the old card that you just formatted. Next have him copy the KN7000 folder of the new card that he made work, to the TECHNICS folder of the old card you just formatted in the KN7000. If that doesn’t make the old card work, I would probably throw it away.

The above paragraph is actually the same procedure that Bill outlined above in different words. In this case you are copying the KN7000 folder from the new SD card that your friend made, rather than the original KN7000 folder from Bernie's zip file.