From dr-660-owner Tue Feb 7 20:58:16 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id UAA12951; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 20:58:16 -0800 Received: from twain.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA12939; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 20:58:14 -0800 Received: (map@localhost) by twain.cs.washington.edu (8.6.9/7.2ws+) id UAA23262; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 20:58:16 -0800 Date: Tue, 7 Feb 1995 20:58:16 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Perkowitz To: DR-660 Mailing List Subject: more testing Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- I don't have to take this abuse from you -- I've got hundreds of people waiting to abuse me. --Bill Murray, "Ghostbusters" ----------------------------------------------------------------------- map@cs.washington.edu http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/map/ mike perkowitz http://www.hyperreal.com/~tint From dr-660-owner Thu Feb 9 23:59:07 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id XAA01989; Thu, 9 Feb 1995 23:59:07 -0800 Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA01980; Thu, 9 Feb 1995 23:58:53 -0800 Received: from gandalf.cs.tu-berlin.de (root@gandalf.cs.tu-berlin.de [141.23.90.25]) by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id FAA09681 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 05:30:49 +0100 Received: from cent.cs.tu-berlin.de (mho@cent.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.22.20]) by gandalf.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id DAA05711 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 03:47:49 +0100 Received: (mho@localhost) by cent.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.6.9/8.6.6) id DAA15079 for dr-660@hyperreal.com; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 03:46:32 +0100 Message-Id: <199502100246.DAA15079@cent.cs.tu-berlin.de> Subject: dr-660 sysex experiments To: dr-660@hyperreal.com Date: Fri, 10 Feb 1995 03:46:31 +0100 (MET) From: Michael Hopp X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hi there. b.t.w. has anyone found some power-on keypressing procedures for resets or other things? i've done some experimenting with sysex-ed parameter changes using values out of the 'legal' ranges, inspired by the "going mad" thread. here are the interesting bits, i found: the nuance of a pad can be set to +8 which gives some nice muffled sounds. a higher value sets it back to -7, so this is a 4 bit parameter. my perception is that the nuance is a mixer setting for the ratio of two samples, one has the high frequencies and one the low ones of the instrument. at -7 there it is mostly the high frequency sample, at +7 mostly the low, but still a small amount of the high is left. at +8 however, which cannot be reached from the buttons or the dial, there is only the low frequency sample present. the decay can be set up to +32, instead of the 'normal' +31. nothing drastic, just a bit more. the reverb and chorus send levels for pads can go up to 15, which gives a lot more of the effect than the usual maximum of 9. whereas for 'well behaved' music this is an acceptable limit, i sometimes like to take it to the extremes (e. g. the cr-78 cowbell tuned up with a strong static chorus) - now even more of that, cool. the effect levels for the whole drumkit can also be set up to 15, but here, values over 9 result in a weaker effect. for other parameters i only found funny things in the display (the pan value at "poly", for example), but nothing audible. i performed my experiments with a dirty hack in c on my atari, dynamically changing the source code in the progress, so don't ask me for that. you should be able to do this with a clever sequencer or patch editor program that can generate roland checksums. maybe, some day i'll write a usable program if i find no better way. if you want to do it the low level hackers way yourself, you'll find the format of the sysex messages (data set1) in the manual. providing the correct checksum is a bit tricky for without it, the dr-660 won't accept the data. this checksum can be computed like this (c notation): checksum = (0x80-(sum_of_all_adress_and_data_bytes)) & 0x7f; thats it from me, maybe there's even more hidden inside our nice little black box? more creative misusing! michael -- mho@cs.tu-berlin.de - listening to the music the machines make - - I let my heart break - I felt the floor change - - just for a moment - into an ocean - From dr-660-owner Tue Feb 14 08:46:34 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id IAA24405; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 08:46:34 -0800 Received: from june.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA24396; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 08:46:32 -0800 Received: from ibm.MtSAC.edu ([140.144.202.50]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.6.9/7.2ju) with SMTP id IAA08237 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 08:34:24 -0800 Message-Id: <199502141634.IAA08237@june.cs.washington.edu> Received: from IBM.MTSAC.EDU by ibm.MtSAC.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3619; Tue, 14 Feb 95 08:33:26 PST Date: Tue, 14 Feb 95 08:31:16 PST From: Scott <1SHW1010@ibm.MtSAC.edu> Organization: Mt. San Antonio College Subject: effects... To: DR-660@cs.washington.edu Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Just a simple question : How do you attach specific effects to one paticular drum pad? I've figured out how to do things like decay and nucance to them and have it be saved, but I haven't been as lucky with adding Chorus or Flanger (or Delay) effects to specific sounds without having them being added to all the sounds... From dr-660-owner Tue Feb 14 10:01:19 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id KAA29021; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 10:01:19 -0800 Received: from twain.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA29011; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 10:01:17 -0800 Received: (map@localhost) by twain.cs.washington.edu (8.6.9/7.2ws+) id KAA10863; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 10:01:21 -0800 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 10:01:21 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Perkowitz To: DR-660 Mailing List Subject: Re: effects... In-Reply-To: <199502141634.IAA08237@june.cs.washington.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Just a simple question : How do you attach specific effects to one paticular > drum pad? I've figured out how to do things like decay and nucance to them > and have it be saved, but I haven't been as lucky with adding Chorus or > Flanger (or Delay) effects to specific sounds without having them being added > to all the sounds... push the reverb or the chorus button at the top of the machine, below the data wheel. at this point, changing the value (0-9) changes the effect (e.g. reverb) for the whole kit. if you hit a pad, you can then edit the amount for that pad. to change what the effects are, hit the effect button towards the left, under the display. you can then scroll through the effects parameters (for chorus and reverb) and adjust them. note that effects settings apply to an entire drum kit (and are saved with the drum kit). so if you want, say, a really strange chorus effect on one sound only, you have to turn down chorus on everything else. m ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To lead the subject thinking about the information of they needs, the process work like this. First, the investigator will fax the picture into the C.P.U. and translate it into electromagnetic waves, and send to the subject's brain. After the subject receive this picture in his dream (or thinking), he will react to it in his dream(or thinking). How the subject reacts in the dream (or thinking process) are just what the detectors need to know. This way, the subject's personalities or other histories will be totally known and handle to use by the investigator. -- Alan Yu (caesar@chopin.udel.edu), on the THOUGHTS DETECTING MACHINE, as used by the CIA ----------------------------------------------------------------------- map@cs.washington.edu http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/map/ mike perkowitz http://www.hyperreal.com/~tint From dr-660-owner Tue Feb 14 16:48:05 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id QAA26227; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 16:48:05 -0800 Received: from june.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA26214; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 16:48:02 -0800 Received: from ibm.MtSAC.edu ([140.144.202.50]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.6.9/7.2ju) with SMTP id QAA27598 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 16:48:07 -0800 Message-Id: <199502150048.QAA27598@june.cs.washington.edu> Received: from IBM.MTSAC.EDU by ibm.MtSAC.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7134; Tue, 14 Feb 95 16:47:09 PST Date: Tue, 14 Feb 95 16:45:43 PST From: Scott <1SHW1010@ibm.MtSAC.edu> Organization: Mt. San Antonio College Subject: "dirty epic" To: DR-660@cs.washington.edu Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk The sound I'm trying to come up with at the moment is that snare-slap-frog hitting-the-wall-whatever sound that Underworld use in "Dirty Epic". So far, no luck... From dr-660-owner Tue Feb 14 17:01:02 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id RAA27162; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 17:01:02 -0800 Received: from twain.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA27152; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 17:00:59 -0800 Received: (map@localhost) by twain.cs.washington.edu (8.6.9/7.2ws+) id RAA11921; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 17:01:06 -0800 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 17:01:05 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Perkowitz To: DR-660 Mailing List Subject: Re: "dirty epic" In-Reply-To: <199502150048.QAA27598@june.cs.washington.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > The sound I'm trying to come up with at the moment is that snare-slap-frog > hitting-the-wall-whatever sound that Underworld use in "Dirty Epic". So > far, no luck... sorry, i dont know the sound. ;) i did get some great results last night running the 660 through my boss preamp/parametric EQ and overdriving it heavily.. the drum kits i've been using have something like a nice hard 909 kick, a tight snare, and then an 808 kick with the decay at at least 20 :) .. what happens is that when i hit the 808 kick it makes this wonderful distorted rumble, and everything that comes out on top of it (snare, high hats) is also messed up.. then as the kick fades, the high end comes back to normal. meanwhile, the short hard kick just makes punchy little low distorted rumbles. i tell you, it's quite fun. :) m PS -- remember, the address of DR-660 is now dr-660@hyperreal.com (the old address still works, but the hyperreal address is now where things really are..) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "Nature is made possible by the Corporation for Public Broadcasting." -- PBS ----------------------------------------------------------------------- map@cs.washington.edu http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/map/ mike perkowitz http://www.hyperreal.com/~tint From dr-660-owner Wed Feb 15 06:45:45 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id GAA00304; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 06:45:45 -0800 Received: from psb.sbu.ac.uk by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id GAA00289; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 06:45:32 -0800 From: comms@vax.sbu.ac.uk Received: from HYDRA (BIG::SYSTEM) by PSB (MX V4.1 VAX) with SMTP (DECnet); Wed, 15 Feb 1995 14:44:38 BST Received: by vax.sbu.ac.uk (MX V4.1 VAX) with SITE; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 14:44:12 BST Received: by vax.sbu.ac.uk (MX V4.1 VAX) id 187; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 14:43:24 BST Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 14:43:23 BST Originally-From: To: DR-660@hyperreal.com CC: comms@vax.sbu.ac.uk Message-ID: <0098C06A.F31F4980.187@vax.sbu.ac.uk> Subject: DR660 UK Prices Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I've been lurking on this list for a few weeks, read the FAQ, looked thru the archives and surfed WWW pages like Analog Heaven. From what I can understand the DR660 looks like a reasonable drum machine for a beginner. However comparing the prices in the US of 330 to 345 dollars to the best quote in the UK of 339 pounds concerns me. Can any UK based owner private email me on their experiences on places to purchase from? Thanks Stephen From dr-660-owner Wed Feb 15 10:12:55 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id KAA13039; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 10:12:55 -0800 Received: from twain.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA13029; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 10:12:53 -0800 Received: (map@localhost) by twain.cs.washington.edu (8.6.9/7.2ws+) id KAA13989; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 10:12:53 -0800 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 10:12:52 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Perkowitz To: DR-660 Mailing List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk aaron.. this got bounced to me because you sent it from a different address than you're subscribed from.. however, everybody, i fixed it so that majordomo doesnt care about that.. anyway, so i'm just forwarding this to the list for aaron. m ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Aaron Harris To: dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Just a Word Dear Readers, I know this is officially a "660" list only, but, I have searched high and low for a Roland Dr. Rhythm DR-5. If anyone, yes, ANYONE who reads this knows anything about it, please let me know. I know what the DR-5 is, but I am just curious to the authenticity of it's bass/guitar/synth/etc. sounds in it, and if it is worth buying one to use as is or just as another module. Also, if anyone is wanting to sell one, I promise you I'm willing to pay some fat snaps if the offer is sweet enough. Oh well, thanks for your time if you respond... Razorguts PS- for some finalized demo samples or entire demos of various songs using the 660 at it's best, ftp to hyperreal.com /incoming/sounds/razorguts You'll be very impressed... I recommend hearing "Hollow Virginity" first... ************************ Aharris@Martha.Utcc.Utk.Edu ************************ | Specialize in guitar, arranging, and producing. Intense rock/metal/trance | | Main Equipment: Ibanez RG570, Fender Pro185, DigiTech RP-1, Roland Dr660, | | Yahama MT120s, Yamaha DX100, Lincoln Bass, and more...... | ********** For Demos: FTP Hyperreal.Com /incoming/sounds/razorguts ********** From dr-660-owner Wed Feb 15 11:45:42 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id LAA20545; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 11:45:42 -0800 Received: from twain.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA20538; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 11:45:39 -0800 Received: (map@localhost) by twain.cs.washington.edu (8.6.9/7.2ws+) id LAA14200; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 11:45:39 -0800 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 11:45:39 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Perkowitz To: DR-660 Mailing List Subject: Re: ... dr66o going mad :) In-Reply-To: <9502072045.AA05222@hkkk.fi> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > I've gotten the dr66o beyond its regular limits by sending > sysex into it (while midi thru is on), probably too fast or > something, causing the 66o to make sick (read:great) drumkits > with sound with the "nuance" setting as high as 11 or something... > (can't remember, but it was *high*).all the other setting had > gone waaay byond their normal limits :)... this caused the sounds > to boost the bass etc. so that I can now get weird sounds out > of my electro-box... if you could upload a sysex file of some of this, i'd love to try it out. i doubt i'll have a chance to get into the sysex at all deeply in the near future, but if i can just play around with some dumps, that would be great.. :) m ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "Don't you know me yet? Yes, I am cruel -- since you take so much delight in that word -- and am I not entitled to be so? Man is the one who desires, woman the one who is desired. This is woman's entire but decisive advantage. Through man's passion, nature has given man into woman's hands, and the woman who does not know how to make him her subject, her slave, her toy, and how to betray him with a smile in the end is not wise." -- from "Venus in Furs" by Leopold von Sacher-Masoch ----------------------------------------------------------------------- map@cs.washington.edu http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/map/ mike perkowitz http://www.hyperreal.com/~tint From dr-660-owner Sun Feb 19 15:13:02 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id PAA21040; Sun, 19 Feb 1995 15:13:02 -0800 Received: from martha.utcc.utk.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA21030; Sun, 19 Feb 1995 15:12:59 -0800 Received: by martha.utcc.utk.edu (5.0/2.7c-UTK) id AA01918; Sun, 19 Feb 1995 18:12:59 +0500 Date: Sun, 19 Feb 1995 18:12:58 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Harris To: dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: DR660 Manual.. (again...) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 1101 Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Readers, I am sure that you might have seen my post something about my not having a manual. If not, well, I don't have a manual for my 660, bc I bought it used for a killer price. BUT, my recording comrade/very good friend recently bought a Juno106 (a highly sought-after analog keyboard in the underground world of techno), and he has been photocopying the manuals and selling them over the net. So, he gave me this idea: If anyone is actually willing to photocopy their Dr660 Manual I will pay for it (shipping including). All pages preferably, and decent copies too. Thanks to anyone that will respond, for I am in urgent need of the manual. I'll pay 10 dollars and shipping.... thanks! ************************ Aharris@Martha.Utcc.Utk.Edu ************************ | Specialize in guitar, arranging, and producing. Intense rock/metal/trance | | Main Equipment: Ibanez RG570, Fender Pro185, DigiTech RP-1, Roland Dr660, | | Yahama MT120s, Yamaha DX100, Lincoln Bass, and more...... | ********** For Demos: FTP Hyperreal.Com /incoming/sounds/razorguts ********** From dr-660-owner Sun Feb 19 15:46:27 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id PAA22322; Sun, 19 Feb 1995 15:46:27 -0800 Received: from june.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA22317; Sun, 19 Feb 1995 15:46:25 -0800 Received: (map@localhost) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.6.9/7.2ju) id PAA02659; Sun, 19 Feb 1995 15:46:27 -0800 Date: Sun, 19 Feb 1995 15:46:26 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Perkowitz To: DR-660 Mailing List Subject: Re: DR660 Manual.. (again...) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk it's not a short manual and copying it would be neither cheap nor easy. if you call roland, i'm sure they'll send you one at a reasonable price. roland: 213-685-5141 m ----------------------------------------------------------------------- HOW TO MAKE LOVE ENDURE "Be a good kisser. It might make your wife forget that you never take out the trash." Dave, age 8 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- map@cs.washington.edu http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/map/ mike perkowitz http://www.hyperreal.com/~tint From dr-660-owner Tue Feb 21 07:04:04 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id HAA07121; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 07:04:04 -0800 Received: from mxrelay.gmd.de by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id HAA07040; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 07:02:45 -0800 Message-Id: <199502211502.HAA07040@taz.hyperreal.com> Received: from vm.gmd.de by mxrelay.gmd.de (SF for OpenVMS v1.0-alpha) with SMTP id B5133E86 ; Tue, 21 Feb 95 16:00:26 +0100 Received: from VM.GMD.DE by vm.gmd.de (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2489; Tue, 21 Feb 95 15:55:24 +0100 Received: from VMPROFS.ESOC.ESA.DE (NJE origin MAILER@ESOC) by VM.GMD.DE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 8955; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 15:55:03 +0100 Received: from ESOC (NJE origin SCHAMBER@ESOC) by VMPROFS.ESOC.ESA.DE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 4683; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 15:57:19 +0100 Comments: Converted from PROFS to RFC822 format by PUMP V2.2X Date: Tue, 21 Feb 95 15:57:12 EWT From: Simon Chambers Subject: tweaking... To: Sender: dr-660-owner@HYPERREAL.COM Precedence: bulk has anybody out there made any of the following sounds on a 660?: - harsh metallic snares, hi-hats etc - 'white noise' sounds to mix with other samples thanks for any replies. /s/ Q - when two people who know everything meet, what do they talk about? End of Message From dr-660-owner Tue Feb 21 08:45:16 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id IAA12434; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 08:45:16 -0800 Received: from ux5.cso.uiuc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA12428; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 08:45:14 -0800 Received: by ux5.cso.uiuc.edu id AA29984 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for DR-660@HYPERREAL.COM); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 10:45:11 -0600 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 1995 10:45:10 -0600 (CST) From: theres more To: Simon Chambers Cc: DR-660@HYPERREAL.COM Subject: Re: tweaking... In-Reply-To: <199502211502.HAA07040@taz.hyperreal.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@HYPERREAL.COM Precedence: bulk On Tue, 21 Feb 1995, Simon Chambers wrote: > > has anybody out there made any of the following sounds on a 660?: > > - harsh metallic snares, hi-hats etc you can get a rather harsh hi hat i think by tuning the fxnoise way down and using it as your hi hat...try some chours effects to get a metallix tint to any snares, etc., just mess with the adjustments, another easy way is to just run some sounds on an ind out and distort them.... > - 'white noise' sounds to mix with other samples > > thanks for any replies. > > /s/ > > Q - when two people who know everything meet, what do they talk about? > > End of Message > From dr-660-owner Tue Feb 21 10:09:22 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id KAA17467; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 10:09:22 -0800 Received: from twain.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA17461; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 10:09:20 -0800 Received: (map@localhost) by twain.cs.washington.edu (8.6.9/7.2ws+) id KAA27625; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 10:09:20 -0800 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 1995 10:09:20 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Perkowitz To: DR-660 Mailing List Subject: Re: tweaking... In-Reply-To: <199502211502.HAA07040@taz.hyperreal.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > has anybody out there made any of the following sounds on a 660?: > > - harsh metallic snares, hi-hats etc take a regular hat and put flange on it, with the depth and rate set to 0. you can change the apparent pitch of the metallic noise by altering the delay. > - 'white noise' sounds to mix with other samples i once tried using some noise (i forget what.. snare ambience maybe) to simulate old cheezy analogue hi hats, without much success. m ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "Math is tough" -- Barbie ----------------------------------------------------------------------- map@cs.washington.edu http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/map/ mike perkowitz http://www.hyperreal.com/~tint From dr-660-owner Wed Feb 22 07:02:17 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id HAA06719; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 07:02:17 -0800 Received: from ibm.MtSAC.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id HAA06711; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 07:02:14 -0800 Message-Id: <199502221502.HAA06711@taz.hyperreal.com> Received: from IBM.MTSAC.EDU by ibm.MtSAC.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5647; Wed, 22 Feb 95 07:01:22 PST Date: Wed, 22 Feb 95 07:00:04 PST From: Scott <1SHW1010@ibm.MtSAC.edu> Organization: Mt. San Antonio College Subject: Pattern Full! To: DR-660@HYPERREAL.COM Sender: dr-660-owner@HYPERREAL.COM Precedence: bulk Is there anyway to offset the "Pattern Full!" situation? I've only recorded on some 40 patterns, and it's giving me this. It's like, oh well thanks for 255 when I can't write more than 40. Is there anyway to delete some of the preset patterns to accomidate as well? Thanks From dr-660-owner Wed Feb 22 08:20:38 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id IAA10876; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 08:20:38 -0800 Received: from martha.utcc.utk.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA10868; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 08:20:32 -0800 Received: by martha.utcc.utk.edu (5.0/2.7c-UTK) id AA25945; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 11:20:27 +0500 Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 11:20:25 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Harris To: Scott <1SHW1010@ibm.MtSAC.edu> Cc: DR-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Pattern Full! In-Reply-To: <199502221502.HAA06711@taz.hyperreal.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 1601 Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 22 Feb 1995, Scott wrote: > Is there anyway to offset the "Pattern Full!" situation? I've only recorded > on some 40 patterns, and it's giving me this. It's like, oh well thanks for > 255 when I can't write more than 40. > > Is there anyway to delete some of the preset patterns to accomidate as well? > > Thanks > I have to agree with him... the DR-660 has hardly NO memory at all... and the only other options it seems is to get a sound canvas or something to store kits, patterns, etc. on... Scott- the only thing I can tell you is to make sure that ALL the other patterns you are not programming on are or have been deleted. Like, let's say you have an old song in there or some old patterns you won't use anymore... well, just delete them.. and also any old kits you can do without, just initialize them as well. And, you must be doing some complicated drum patterns to have run out of memory already... that's like me- I never use drum loops bc they get old, so I make every pattern different to build up tension, but, like you said, it sux we cant program shit without it saying "Pattern Full"... Roland has supremely fucked us by that factory mistake.. as in NO RAM. :) ************************ Aharris@Martha.Utcc.Utk.Edu ************************ | Specialize in guitar, arranging, and producing. Intense rock/metal/trance | | Main Equipment: Ibanez RG570, Fender Pro185, DigiTech RP-1, Roland Dr660, | | Yahama MT120s, Yamaha DX100, Lincoln Bass, and more...... | ********** For Demos: FTP Hyperreal.Com /incoming/sounds/razorguts ********** From dr-660-owner Wed Feb 22 12:28:04 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id MAA26587; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 12:28:04 -0800 Received: from ibm.MtSAC.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA26579; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 12:28:00 -0800 Message-Id: <199502222028.MAA26579@taz.hyperreal.com> Received: from IBM.MTSAC.EDU by ibm.MtSAC.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 6534; Wed, 22 Feb 95 12:27:00 PST Date: Wed, 22 Feb 95 12:22:02 PST From: Scott <1SHW1010@ibm.MtSAC.edu> Organization: Mt. San Antonio College Subject: Pattern Full! To: DR-660@HYPERREAL.COM Sender: dr-660-owner@HYPERREAL.COM Precedence: bulk Actually, most of the patterns I've been coming up with have been mainly to (ducks flying fruit) serve as a drum pattern until my band can secure a drummer. Nobody in the group loves dance music like I do, unfortunately... So, naturally I'm suprised that what I'm doing would fill up the machine so fast. Still, I must ask, is there anyway to get rid of the preset patterns? I figured it originally came up because I created this song with A TON of stuff going through (detuned 808 cowbells to create a synth line)...And then that message popped up. So, I deleted the song, and still now two simple songs later, I've got that problem.... Still, I'm very happy with the machine though...don't get me wrong. From dr-660-owner Thu Feb 23 12:31:18 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id MAA11526; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 12:31:18 -0800 Received: from martha.utcc.utk.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA11515; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 12:31:13 -0800 Received: by martha.utcc.utk.edu (5.0/2.7c-UTK) id AA24580; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 15:31:06 +0500 Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 15:31:05 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Harris To: dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Time Changes with 660 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 1075 Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Readers, I need HELP. Ok, so I have the 660 and know how to program it rather well, but, one thing erks me still... is there ANY way to program real time tempo changes?? Like, if I havea pattern that is 120bpm, and then I want the next pattern to start at 150bpm, can't I program the tempo in the pattern itself? So when in song mode, the tempo change comes automatically? PLEASE help me, bc I have a gig coming up in Atlanta and there are tempo changes, and I dont want to be spinning this rave and fuck the show by having the 660 get out of synch with the sequencer.. anyway, that's another story... if you can help me, I really do appreciate it... thanks a million! ************************ Aharris@Martha.Utcc.Utk.Edu ************************ | Specialize in guitar, arranging, and producing. Intense rock/metal/trance | | Main Equipment: Ibanez RG570, Fender Pro185, DigiTech RP-1, Roland Dr660, | | Yahama MT120s, Yamaha DX100, Lincoln Bass, and more...... | ********** For Demos: FTP Hyperreal.Com /incoming/sounds/razorguts ********** From dr-660-owner Thu Feb 23 12:52:36 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id MAA13261; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 12:52:36 -0800 Received: from ibm.MtSAC.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA13252; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 12:52:32 -0800 Message-Id: <199502232052.MAA13252@taz.hyperreal.com> Received: from IBM.MTSAC.EDU by ibm.MtSAC.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2299; Thu, 23 Feb 95 12:51:34 PST Date: Thu, 23 Feb 95 12:49:41 PST From: Scott <1SHW1010@ibm.MtSAC.edu> Organization: Mt. San Antonio College Subject: DR-7 To: DR-660@HYPERREAL.COM Sender: dr-660-owner@HYPERREAL.COM Precedence: bulk Anyone know anything about this recent release from Boss? I haven't actually screwed around with one yet, but they certainly appear to a lot different than your usual drum machine. This shop is selling a Roland TR 505 for like $40...nobody seems to like it, but it sure sounds like a fantastic deal. From dr-660-owner Thu Feb 23 13:36:28 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id NAA16210; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 13:36:28 -0800 Received: from twain.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA16204; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 13:36:26 -0800 Received: (map@localhost) by twain.cs.washington.edu (8.6.9/7.2ws+) id NAA05438; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 13:36:21 -0800 Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 13:36:21 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Perkowitz To: DR-660 Mailing List Subject: Re: Time Changes with 660 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > I need HELP. Ok, so I have the 660 and know how to program it > rather well, but, one thing erks me still... is there ANY way to program > real time tempo changes?? Like, if I havea pattern that is 120bpm, and as far as i know, tempos are only stored with songs. perhaps if you chain from one song to another you'll get changes? or maybe not. > rave and fuck the show by having the 660 get out of synch with the > sequencer.. anyway, that's another story... if you can help me, I really well wait a second. if you have a sequencer doing tempo changes or whatever, why dont you just slave the 660 to the sequencer? m ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "When you're conceived, you get a choice -- you either get a clue, or a penis." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- map@cs.washington.edu http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/map/ mike perkowitz http://www.hyperreal.com/~tint From dr-660-owner Thu Feb 23 14:08:55 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id OAA18658; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 14:08:55 -0800 Received: from ramona.cyborganic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA18649; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 14:08:49 -0800 Received: (from jsd@localhost) by ramona.cyborganic.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id OAA11774 for DR-660@hyperreal.com; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 14:07:27 -0800 From: Jon Drukman Message-Id: <199502232207.OAA11774@ramona.cyborganic.com> Subject: Re: DR-7 Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 14:07:26 -0800 (PST) Cc: DR-660@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199502232052.MAA13252@taz.hyperreal.com> from "Scott" at Feb 23, 95 12:49:41 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 375 Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Scott writes: > This shop is selling a Roland TR 505 for like $40...nobody seems to like it, > but it sure sounds like a fantastic deal. It's not - it's a shitty sounding, inflexible, non-configurable machine that was cheap for its day and is totally worthless in this modern era. Really, why bother? Name: Jon Email: jsd@cyborganic.com Web: http://cyborganic.com/~jsd From dr-660-owner Thu Feb 23 21:20:06 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id VAA14128; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 21:20:06 -0800 Received: from martha.utcc.utk.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id VAA14120; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 21:20:03 -0800 Received: by martha.utcc.utk.edu (5.0/2.7c-UTK) id AA15035; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 00:19:50 +0500 Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 00:19:48 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Harris To: Jon Drukman Cc: DR-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: DR-7 In-Reply-To: <199502232207.OAA11774@ramona.cyborganic.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 1144 Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > It's not - it's a shitty sounding, inflexible, non-configurable > machine that was cheap for its day and is totally worthless in this > modern era. Really, why bother? > > Name: Jon > Email: jsd@cyborganic.com > Web: http://cyborganic.com/~jsd > Jon- man, you are fucked... I used a TR-505 for about 3 years after I bought one used for about 175 bux... sure, the sounds are few and limited, but it has many of the same programming features that newer drum machines have today.. step programming, real time programming, etc... and, for it's day, having MIDI in/out was a nice addition to have... so, don't diss on the 505, for I hitnk it was a fabulous machine, and still is.. I am seriously considering buying another one... peaceout... ************************ Aharris@Martha.Utcc.Utk.Edu ************************ | Specialize in guitar, arranging, and producing. Intense rock/metal/trance | | Main Equipment: Ibanez RG570, Fender Pro185, DigiTech RP-1, Roland Dr660, | | Yahama MT120s, Yamaha DX100, Lincoln Bass, and more...... | ********** For Demos: FTP Hyperreal.Com /incoming/sounds/razorguts ********** From dr-660-owner Fri Feb 24 14:00:58 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id OAA01699; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 14:00:58 -0800 Received: from martha.utcc.utk.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA01683; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 14:00:55 -0800 Received: by martha.utcc.utk.edu (5.0/2.7c-UTK) id AA17873; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 17:00:55 +0500 Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 17:00:55 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Harris To: dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Help... again Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 828 Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Readers, Thanks for all the replies in my question about real time tempo changes... and, reading through them quite quickly, I didnt save them... but as i recall, someone told me that the individual songs can be recorded in different tempos. I sat down today to try it, and it didnt work,.. maybe Im doing something wrong, but could whoever wrote that write me back and tell me how to do it? Thank you so much... :) *high five* ************************ Aharris@Martha.Utcc.Utk.Edu ************************ | Specialize in guitar, arranging, and producing. Intense rock/metal/trance | | Main Equipment: Ibanez RG570, Fender Pro185, DigiTech RP-1, Roland Dr660, | | Yahama MT120s, Yamaha DX100, Lincoln Bass, and more...... | ********** For Demos: FTP Hyperreal.Com /incoming/sounds/razorguts ********** From dr-660-owner Fri Feb 24 22:07:21 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id WAA26908; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 22:07:21 -0800 Received: from june.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA26903; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 22:07:18 -0800 Received: (map@localhost) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.6.9/7.2ju) id WAA22595; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 22:07:17 -0800 Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 22:07:17 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Perkowitz To: DR-660 Mailing List Subject: setting song tempo Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk for aaron and others who want to know: go into song mode (press song/ptn) pick the song you want press REC use the left/right keys to step through the params and the value controls to change the values one of these is tempo.. you can set it to a value or to off another is chain.. you can set the next song to be played (also you can set whether or not patterns will be played with their assigned drumkits, or if the entire song will be in a single kit) if tempo is set to a value, the song will play at that tempo. i dont know if, when using chain, the chained songs will each play at their own tempos.try it and see. m ----------------------------------------------------------------------- If trees could scream, would we be so cavalier about cutting them down? We might, if they screamed all the time, for no good reason. -- Deep Thoughts by Jack Handey ----------------------------------------------------------------------- map@cs.washington.edu http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/map/ mike perkowitz http://www.hyperreal.com/~tint From dr-660-owner Tue Mar 7 12:33:37 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id MAA08909; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 12:33:37 -0800 Received: from ibm.MtSAC.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA08904; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 12:33:35 -0800 Message-Id: <199503072033.MAA08904@taz.hyperreal.com> Received: from IBM.MTSAC.EDU by ibm.MtSAC.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8169; Tue, 07 Mar 95 12:32:37 PST Date: Tue, 07 Mar 95 12:31:37 PST From: Scott <1SHW1010@ibm.MtSAC.edu> Organization: Mt. San Antonio College Subject: Sysex Dumps... To: DR-660@HYPERREAL.COM Sender: dr-660-owner@HYPERREAL.COM Precedence: bulk Heh, for the novice here...how exactly do you get these to work? I'm assuming you need something like Cakewalk or Cubase right? Well, what then? I'm having serious problem.... From dr-660-owner Wed Mar 8 12:06:42 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id MAA29864; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 12:06:42 -0800 Received: from er7.rutgers.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA29857; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 12:06:39 -0800 Received: (from jaslin@localhost) by er7.rutgers.edu (8.6.8.1+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq/8.6.6) id PAA14331 for DR-660@hyperreal.com; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 15:06:30 -0500 Date: Wed, 8 Mar 95 15:06:29 EST From: Jasper Lin To: DR-660@hyperreal.com Subject: neato patterns Message-ID: Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello -- just thought I'd add to the deluge of messages on the list (; I just purchased a 660 and haven't had much time to fool around with it but it seems like a lot of fun. I didn't even really look into other machines so I hope I bought the best in its class. Does anyone know of a site that archives rhythm patterns that I can dump to the 660? I should probably finish rtfm before I post. Oh well, at least I can use this as a formal introduction of myself to the list. Hi people. Jasper From dr-660-owner Wed Mar 8 15:49:49 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id PAA16993; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 15:49:49 -0800 Received: from mail.lancs.ac.uk by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA16974; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 15:49:40 -0800 Received: from cent1.lancs.ac.uk by mail.lancs.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 23:35:45 +0000 From: Mr P Iliopoulos Message-Id: <13230.9503082335@cent1.lancs.ac.uk> Received: by cent1.lancs.ac.uk; Wed, 8 Mar 95 23:35:41 GMT Subject: Sysex dumps?HELP!!! To: DR-660@hyperreal.com Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 23:35:39 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 0 Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk From dr-660-owner Thu Mar 9 08:36:50 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id IAA07612; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 08:36:50 -0800 Received: from ibm.MtSAC.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA07606; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 08:36:47 -0800 Message-Id: <199503091636.IAA07606@taz.hyperreal.com> Received: from IBM.MTSAC.EDU by ibm.MtSAC.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0997; Thu, 09 Mar 95 08:36:48 PST Date: Thu, 09 Mar 95 08:35:15 PST From: Scott <1SHW1010@ibm.MtSAC.edu> Organization: Mt. San Antonio College Subject: Flange... To: DR-660@HYPERREAL.COM Sender: dr-660-owner@HYPERREAL.COM Precedence: bulk I came up with some really cool sounds today by plugging the Dr-660 through a normal Boss gutiar Highband Flanger pedal. Gave it a much WARMER flange than the one that the drum machine effects things with... Also tried out a digital delay, but that didn't work as well... From dr-660-owner Thu Mar 9 09:02:36 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id JAA09418; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 09:02:36 -0800 Received: from twain.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA09411; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 09:02:33 -0800 Received: (map@localhost) by twain.cs.washington.edu (8.6.9/7.2ws+) id JAA14697; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 09:02:32 -0800 Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 09:02:32 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Perkowitz To: DR-660 Mailing List Subject: Re: neato patterns In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > I just purchased a 660 and haven't had much time to fool around with it but > it seems like a lot of fun. I didn't even really look into other machines so > I hope I bought the best in its class. well.. depends what you intend to do with it, but i think it's a pretty good choice.. > Does anyone know of a site that archives rhythm patterns that I can dump to > the 660? I should probably finish rtfm before I post. Oh well, at least I > can use this as a formal introduction of myself to the list. umm.. you should have gotten a welcome message that mentioned the archive site.. ftp://hyperreal.com/machines/DR-660/ or on the web: http://www.hyperreal.com/machines/DR-660/ not that there's much there. certainly no patterns. m ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "Fear, anguish and despair are with us daily. Yet in our darkest hours, we have three things that help sustain us: Our faith in the God Almighty; The love and support of our families; The knowledge that on this earth there are still men like Ollie North...." -- R Owen ----------------------------------------------------------------------- map@cs.washington.edu http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/map/ mike perkowitz http://www.hyperreal.com/~tint From dr-660-owner Thu Mar 9 09:24:27 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id JAA10857; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 09:24:27 -0800 Received: from firewall.island.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA10848; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 09:24:24 -0800 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by firewall.island.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id JAA01592 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 09:27:04 -0800 Received: from island.island.com(199.4.85.1) by firewall via smap (V1.3mjr) id sma001586; Thu Mar 9 09:26:05 1995 Received: from [199.4.88.30] (kinmac) by island.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA01621; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 09:23:22 +0800 Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 09:23:20 +0800 Message-Id: <9503091723.AA01621@island.com> X-Sender: kin@greenland Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: DR-660@hyperreal.com From: kin@island.com (Joaquin Blas) Subject: SYSEX Dumps content-length: 537 Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I downloaded some SYSEX files from the dr660 ftp site a while ago, I think they were from Mike. I still can't get my dr660 to accept the SYSEX. Yes my "Receive System Exclusive" option is set to on. Is there something else I have to do? I believe I also fiddled with my MIDI channel setting, with no luck. I thought I remember somebody saying last month that we have to have some transmit setting on in order to receive SYSEX. I don't remember seeing any transmit option except the bulk dump stuff. --== Kin Blas ==-- kin@island.com From dr-660-owner Thu Mar 9 10:12:59 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id KAA14338; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 10:12:59 -0800 Received: from twain.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA14331; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 10:12:57 -0800 Received: (map@localhost) by twain.cs.washington.edu (8.6.9/7.2ws+) id KAA14850; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 10:12:56 -0800 Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 10:12:56 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Perkowitz To: DR-660 Mailing List Subject: Re: SYSEX Dumps In-Reply-To: <9503091723.AA01621@island.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > I downloaded some SYSEX files from the dr660 ftp site > a while ago, I think they were from Mike. I still can't > get my dr660 to accept the SYSEX. Yes my "Receive System > Exclusive" option is set to on. Is there something else > I have to do? I believe I also fiddled with my MIDI channel > setting, with no luck. well, for a while it wasnt clear if there was something wrong with my sysex files, but then i remember someone saying they had loaded them successfully (right?). hmm.. does anyone know offhand if the 660 has to be set to the same midi channel that it was on when the dumps were sent? doh. m ----------------------------------------------------------------------- The Rhythm Pattern cleared will go out of the memory, consequently be released from the Chain Patterns. -- from the TR-909 manual ----------------------------------------------------------------------- map@cs.washington.edu http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/map/ mike perkowitz http://www.hyperreal.com/~tint From dr-660-owner Thu Mar 9 13:38:05 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id NAA00683; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 13:38:05 -0800 Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA00665; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 13:38:00 -0800 Via: uk.ac.leeds.gps1; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 19:08:44 +0000 Received: from tasc-mailer.leeds.ac.uk by leeds.ac.uk; Thu, 9 Mar 95 19:08:37 GMT Received: From TASC/WORKQUEUE by tasc-mailer.leeds.ac.uk via Charon-4.0-VROOM with IPX id 100.950309190255.448; 09 Mar 95 18:54:21 +000 Message-Id: To: dr-660@hyperreal.com From: Stu Date: 9 Mar 95 19:02:54 GMT Subject: Program Change (MMMMMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmatasons) Reply-To: wonnacott@tasc.novell.leeds.ac.uk Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v2.3 (R4). Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello Boss Mates, I have only just bought the DR 660, so excuse me if this question is easypeasy: I use Cubase for windows v1.00, with a BOSS (Obviously), SR16, Vintage keys and Akai S950, last night I connected my BOSS to the existing midi network, and played around for awhile trying to set drum kits and then trying to select them using midi program change (which is set to on, on the Boss), the problem is it changes the Rom presets o.k. but when it comes to the user presets it seems to fuck up, I think it started changing them at around Program Change No^ 66 or somthing. This is not a major problem, but its annoying, any answers, come on don't be shy boys (and Ladies), Thanks, Bye..... .STU. +-----------------------------------+ | WONNACOTT@TASC.NOVELL.LEEDS.AC.UK | +-----------------------------------+ From dr-660-owner Thu Mar 9 15:01:45 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id PAA07523; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 15:01:45 -0800 Received: from firewall.island.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA07517; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 15:01:43 -0800 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by firewall.island.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id PAA03064 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 15:04:25 -0800 Received: from island.island.com(199.4.85.1) by firewall via smap (V1.3mjr) id sma003036; Thu Mar 9 15:03:31 1995 Received: from [199.4.88.30] (kinmac) by island.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA04124; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 15:00:47 +0800 Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 15:00:46 +0800 Message-Id: <9503092300.AA04124@island.com> X-Sender: kin@greenland Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dr-660@hyperreal.com From: kin@island.com (Joaquin Blas) Subject: Re: Program Change (MMMMMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmatasons) content-length: 1108 Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Yes, I also find this annoying. There is a table at the back of the manual that shows what program change to use for each set. I'm not sure why they implemented it that way. --== Kin Blas ==-- kin@island.com >Hello Boss Mates, > >I have only just bought the DR 660, so excuse me if this question is >easypeasy: > >I use Cubase for windows v1.00, with a BOSS (Obviously), SR16, Vintage >keys and Akai S950, last night I connected my BOSS to the existing >midi network, and played around for awhile trying to set drum kits and >then trying to select them using midi program change (which is set to >on, on the Boss), the problem is it changes the Rom presets o.k. but >when it comes to the user presets it seems to fuck up, I think it >started changing them at around Program Change No^ 66 or somthing. >This is not a major problem, but its annoying, any answers, come on >don't be shy boys (and Ladies), > >Thanks, Bye..... > > > > > > .STU. > +-----------------------------------+ > | WONNACOTT@TASC.NOVELL.LEEDS.AC.UK | > +-----------------------------------+ From dr-660-owner Fri Mar 10 02:07:46 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id CAA17268; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 02:07:46 -0800 Received: from vm.gmd.de by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id CAA17256; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 02:06:58 -0800 Message-Id: <199503101006.CAA17256@taz.hyperreal.com> Received: from VM.GMD.DE by vm.gmd.de (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1381; Fri, 10 Mar 95 10:46:17 +0100 Received: from VMPROFS.ESOC.ESA.DE (NJE origin MAILER@ESOC) by VM.GMD.DE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 9661; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 10:46:17 +0100 Received: from ESOC (NJE origin SCHAMBER@ESOC) by VMPROFS.ESOC.ESA.DE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 0791; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 10:48:42 +0100 Comments: Converted from PROFS to RFC822 format by PUMP V2.2X Date: Fri, 10 Mar 95 10:48:39 EWT From: Simon Chambers Subject: Re: SYSEX Dumps To: Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > I downloaded some SYSEX files from the dr660 ftp site > > a while ago, I think they were from Mike. I still can't > > get my dr660 to accept the SYSEX. Yes my "Receive System > > Exclusive" option is set to on. Is there something else > > I have to do? I believe I also fiddled with my MIDI channel > > setting, with no luck. > > well, for a while it wasnt clear if there was something wrong with my > sysex files, but then i remember someone saying they had loaded them > successfully (right?). That's right. I loaded mike's dub+hypno kits in my 660. I used a korgX3 workstation to read the files off a disk and send them into the 660's midi port. However| i had to convert the 2 sysex files into a format that could be read by the workstation. (This program was written by someone on the x3 list by-the-way). Anyway, this is how you set up the 660: 1) set receive sysex to on (in the midi menu i think) 2) set the midi channel to 10 ( " ) 3) set the 660 in bulk DUMP mode, option set to 1 drumkit 4) send the data TO the 660. "receiving sysex" appears in the display 5) the new kit will take the place of the kit that was previously selected for bulk dump( see 3 above) hope this helps s End of Message From dr-660-owner Fri Mar 10 16:37:35 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id QAA15762; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 16:37:35 -0800 Received: from zoom.bga.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA15757; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 16:37:33 -0800 Received: from ivy-b1.aip.realtime.net (ivy-b1.aip.realtime.net [204.96.1.74]) by zoom.bga.com (8.6.11/8.6.10) with SMTP id SAA15393 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 18:37:32 -0600 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 18:37:32 -0600 Message-Id: <199503110037.SAA15393@zoom.bga.com> X-Sender: squishy@bga.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dr-660@hyperreal.com From: squishy@bga.com (Squishy) Subject: 660 Problems Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hiya, Lately my 660 has been doing some weird things, i'm wondering if anyone has had this problem. I'm running the 660 as a module using Cakewalk as the sequencer. I just started a new song, with each new song I program a new kit. On this kit I decided I would use massive amounts of the internal effects (flange and delay) just to see how strange I could make it sound. The problem begins when I start and stop the song a few times. The kit becomes very distorted and weird sounds get added to the existing kit. The only way I could get it back to normal would be to turn the unit off and turn it back on. After disconnecting everything except the 660 from the computer, I decided that the 660 was the problem. I called up the place I bought it and they gave me a loaner to see if it was indeed that 660. Before I took mine down there, I did a sysex dump so that I could have the exact information that the other had. When I got the loaner home, I hooked it up and didn't have any problem with it. I then dumped the sysex to it and the problem happened almost instantly. Up until this past month, i've had two 660s. I have never had any problems until now. Since it has happened with mine and the loaner, I can only think that there a problem with the effects. Anyone have any ideas to what is causing this problem? Thanks. Vince. Squishy Records From dr-660-owner Mon Mar 13 16:01:54 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id QAA20222; Mon, 13 Mar 1995 16:01:54 -0800 Received: from mail.lancs.ac.uk by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id QAA20213; Mon, 13 Mar 1995 16:01:50 -0800 Received: from cent1.lancs.ac.uk by mail.lancs.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 14 Mar 1995 00:01:31 +0000 From: Mr P Iliopoulos Message-Id: <12646.9503140001@cent1.lancs.ac.uk> Received: by cent1.lancs.ac.uk; Tue, 14 Mar 95 00:01:30 GMT Subject: sysex dumps?HELP!!v.2 To: DR-660@hyperreal.com Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 00:01:26 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1590 Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello all ! My name's Pan and i got my DR-660 just a few weeks ago. Was i glad to find a page for it on the net!(Apologies for the empty message.My server is a bit fucked up). I've been having good fun with this cool instrument but the tempo/data wheel is giving me problems . It only seems to work properly when the machine's warmed up well...Weird...Fotunately i'm covered by a 12 month guarantee so i,m gonnna take it back for replacement/repair.The catch is that i've already made loads of patterns that i really want to keep, so i've been trying to dump them on disk from my friend's PC with no success at all... How do i do it? The manual looks like it expects the user to have a degree in music technology sometimes...Great machine ,CRAP manual. I've been trying to do my dumps on my friends' PC using Cubase , Cakewalk Pro , Fast trakker ,I've even tried the sysex dumpster from the DR-660 ftp archives , but none of the programs seems to acknowledge the fact that a MIDI instrument is plugged in and sending data...(0 bytes received...).HELP!!! Also , the DR-660's memory seems to be full ,even though there are a few empty patterns.Is this normal ? All the patterns i've made are 4 beats long... Here's a smart trick for some live effects , to finish this letter off : press a pad with an instrument like FX noize or claves etc..Press PAD and go to the pitch change mode .Holding down ROLL and the pad in question change the pitch with the data wheel all the way from -2400 to 2400 (or the other way around).Dig the sound! Experiment & enjoy! From dr-660-owner Mon Mar 13 17:41:28 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id RAA27134; Mon, 13 Mar 1995 17:41:28 -0800 Received: from twain.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA27129; Mon, 13 Mar 1995 17:41:26 -0800 Received: (map@localhost) by twain.cs.washington.edu (8.6.9/7.2ws+) id RAA24911; Mon, 13 Mar 1995 17:41:28 -0800 Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 17:41:28 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Perkowitz To: DR-660 Mailing List Subject: Re: sysex dumps?HELP!!v.2 In-Reply-To: <12646.9503140001@cent1.lancs.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > I've been having good fun with this cool instrument but the tempo/data > wheel is giving me problems . It only seems to work properly when the weird.. never heard of that. > I've been trying to do my dumps on my friends' PC using Cubase , > Cakewalk Pro , Fast trakker ,I've even tried the sysex dumpster from > the DR-660 ftp archives , but none of the programs seems to acknowledge > the fact that a MIDI instrument is plugged in and sending data...(0 well.. actually doing the dump from the 660 is pretty easy, imho. go into the midi stuff, scroll to dump, choose what you want to dump. hit enter. if you're computer's ready to receive, it should get everything. i dont know what you mean about the sysex dumper in the archives. there isnt one. the one thing i can think of, when you say you're not getting any midi date from the 660 is that you've got the thru mode on. do you get other midi data from the 660, like clocks and notes? if not, go into midi, scroll to thru, and set it to off.. this makes the midi out port an out rather than a thru. > Also , the DR-660's memory seems to be full ,even though there > are a few empty patterns.Is this normal ? All the patterns i've made are > 4 beats long... the memory doesnt necessarily correspond to number or length of patterns. if you have a short pattern that's really dense, it will eat up memory. if you have a few of these, you'll run out. even if you havent filled the 150 available user patterns. it's one regrettable failing of the 660, that it doesnt have enough memory (my other biggest complaints: not enough good hi-hats, and why'd they waste all that space with toms?;) m ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Is that a ten-gallon hat -- or are you just enjoying the show? - Madeline Kahn in "Blazing Saddles" (1974) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- map@cs.washington.edu http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/map/ mike perkowitz http://www.hyperreal.com/~tint From dr-660-owner Tue Mar 14 04:57:16 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id EAA00772; Tue, 14 Mar 1995 04:57:16 -0800 Received: from atc.boeing.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id EAA00767; Tue, 14 Mar 1995 04:57:14 -0800 Received: by atc.boeing.com (5.57) id AA15987; Tue, 14 Mar 95 05:01:57 -0800 Received: from hera (hera.hv.boeing.com) by splinter.boeing.com with SMTP (1.37.109.14/16.2) id AA044845771; Tue, 14 Mar 1995 04:56:11 -0800 Received: by hera (931110.SGI/930416.SGI) for @splinter.boeing.com:DR-660@hyperreal.com id AA11050; Tue, 14 Mar 95 06:57:41 -0800 From: "Bob Crispen" Message-Id: <9503140657.ZM11048@hera.hv.boeing.com> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 06:57:40 -0600 In-Reply-To: Mr P Iliopoulos "sysex dumps?HELP!!v.2" (Mar 14, 12:01am) References: <12646.9503140001@cent1.lancs.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.1.0 22feb94 MediaMail) To: DR-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: sysex dumps?HELP!!v.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Mar 14, 12:01am, Mr P Iliopoulos wrote: > How do i do it? The manual looks like it expects the user to have a > degree in music technology sometimes...Great machine ,CRAP manual. Can I get an AMEN, bretheren and sisteren! I suggested on SYNTH-L that the DR-660 has the lowest manual quality to instrument quality ratio since the FZ-1. I got my DR-660 this weekend, and it only took me 8 hours to figure out how to set up a drumkit. Is that a record? Incidentally, a good part of what they pay me to do is read obscure technical manuals and make stuff work. I'm still not sure I can repeat the keystrokes to get out of the change assignment menu to the (e.g.) change decay, but I have concluded so far that (a) they don't tell you in the manual, (b) part of what they do tell you in the manual is wrong, and (c) so far, if I guess what I should do it works often enough. Anyway, at least the guy who wrote the manual didn't write the operating system, and I do love those sounds, which is what it's about. Rev. Bob "Bob" Crispen revbob@hera.hv.boeing.com From dr-660-owner Thu Mar 16 10:59:01 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id KAA04627; Thu, 16 Mar 1995 10:59:01 -0800 Received: from ibm.MtSAC.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA04608; Thu, 16 Mar 1995 10:58:58 -0800 Message-Id: <199503161858.KAA04608@taz.hyperreal.com> Received: from IBM.MTSAC.EDU by ibm.MtSAC.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 6361; Thu, 16 Mar 95 10:56:41 PST Date: Thu, 16 Mar 95 10:54:48 PST From: Scott <1SHW1010@ibm.MtSAC.edu> Organization: Mt. San Antonio College Subject: Cracking To: DR-660@hyperreal.com Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I don't know if any of you have experimented with this, but I've been getting a pretty annoying cracking sound when using the flange effect on certain sounds on the DR-660. Actually, the only one it pops up on on a normal basis is the 808 Cowbell, with the pitch detuned to really low value (like -2300). It's a really great sound for the machine IMHO, except for that crack. From dr-660-owner Thu Mar 16 12:50:36 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id MAA12955; Thu, 16 Mar 1995 12:50:36 -0800 Received: from er7.rutgers.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA12944; Thu, 16 Mar 1995 12:50:33 -0800 Received: (from jaslin@localhost) by er7.rutgers.edu (8.6.8.1+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq/8.6.6) id PAA28454 for DR-660@hyperreal.com; Thu, 16 Mar 1995 15:50:31 -0500 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 95 15:50:30 EST From: Jasper Lin To: DR-660@hyperreal.com Subject: crackling Message-ID: Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Nope, I haven't had much time to mess with the effects yet BUT do you notice an annoying clipping or clight crackling when playincertain patches really fast -- like manually rolling the snares? Is it just my machine or do all of them have loose midi and power jacks? When I plug the cords into them there is a scary cracking sound like the board it is screwed into is cracking. Jasper From dr-660-owner Thu Mar 16 13:11:34 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id NAA14764; Thu, 16 Mar 1995 13:11:34 -0800 Received: from twain.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA14759; Thu, 16 Mar 1995 13:11:32 -0800 Received: (map@localhost) by twain.cs.washington.edu (8.6.9/7.2ws+) id NAA01917; Thu, 16 Mar 1995 13:11:31 -0800 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 13:11:31 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Perkowitz To: DR-660 Mailing List Subject: Re: crackling In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Is it just my machine or do all of them have loose midi and power jacks? > When I plug the cords into them there is a scary cracking sound like the > board it is screwed into is cracking. i've never noticed anything like that.. m ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To me, boxing is like a ballet, except there's no music, no choreography, and the dancers hit each other. -- Deep Thoughts by Jack Handey ----------------------------------------------------------------------- map@cs.washington.edu http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/map/ mike perkowitz http://www.hyperreal.com/~tint From dr-660-owner Mon Mar 20 06:05:22 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id GAA06739; Mon, 20 Mar 1995 06:05:22 -0800 Received: from ux5.cso.uiuc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id GAA06734; Mon, 20 Mar 1995 06:05:19 -0800 Received: (from jjgriffi@localhost) by ux5.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) id IAA08695; Mon, 20 Mar 1995 08:05:02 -0600 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 08:05:02 -0600 (CST) From: ok To: Scott <1SHW1010@ibm.MtSAC.edu> cc: DR-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Cracking In-Reply-To: <199503161858.KAA04608@taz.hyperreal.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 16 Mar 1995, Scott wrote: > > > I don't know if any of you have experimented with this, but I've been getting > a pretty annoying cracking sound when using the flange effect on certain sounds > on the DR-660. > > Actually, the only one it pops up on on a normal basis is the 808 Cowbell, > with the pitch detuned to really low value (like -2300). It's a really great > sound for the machine IMHO, except for that crack. > I know what you're talking about, it's the worse with low pitched 808 toms, kick drums, or anything else that contains a lot of bass. You can help lessen this effect on those patches by simply turning their ind. effect level down or turning the chours feedback down, unless you want the crack for a special effect.... From dr-660-owner Mon Mar 20 12:17:33 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id MAA02594; Mon, 20 Mar 1995 12:17:33 -0800 Received: from er7.rutgers.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA02588; Mon, 20 Mar 1995 12:17:28 -0800 Received: (from jaslin@localhost) by er7.rutgers.edu (8.6.8.1+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq/8.6.6) id PAA10077 for DR-660@hyperreal.com; Mon, 20 Mar 1995 15:17:26 -0500 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 95 15:17:26 EST From: Jasper Lin To: DR-660@hyperreal.com Subject: NEW 660 for sale Message-ID: Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi guys, I've decided to part ways with my newly acquired 660. It's been on for less than 10 hours. My roommate decided to bring his synth up to school and we no longer need the extra gear. I will ship it to you first class for $370 (?) Jasper From dr-660-owner Tue Mar 21 08:08:26 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id IAA15752; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 08:08:26 -0800 Received: from mail.lancs.ac.uk by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA15733; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 08:08:20 -0800 Received: from cent1.lancs.ac.uk by mail.lancs.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 21 Mar 1995 16:04:09 +0000 From: Mr P Iliopoulos Message-Id: <22099.9503211604@cent1.lancs.ac.uk> Received: by cent1.lancs.ac.uk; Tue, 21 Mar 95 16:04:10 GMT Subject: Effects weirdness... To: DR-660@hyperreal.com Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 16:04:04 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1762 Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi there everyone!I've had my 660 for a month now; I read Vince's problems with effects a couple of weeks ago but didn't think much about it at the time...Alas , they mysteriously appeared in my setup yesterday! I did an all-data bulk dump in my Atari -to save on disk- running Breakthru v.2 and then switched everything off.I later used Steinberg's Pro12 sequencer to play around a little and discovered that the instruments i had added chorus to sounded strange , even when i turned the chorus down to 0.It was like the chorus effect had been boosted up a lot (much more than what the 660 normally does). Some very trippy sounds were coming out of my machine but what worried me was that there was some chorus effect even after turning all chorus settings down to 0.Before the problem occured i had turned the chorus-all and reverb-all settings for some drumkits all the way up to 9 and I thought that might have been too much for the machine (which -after all- is a drum machine ,not a synth or effects box) ; so i turned down these global settings and switched off.I switched it back on half an hour later to find things working normally again.My emotions were mixed because i had lost some nice sounds as well. After reading Vince's s letter, I think the problem might be sysex- related since for both cases it occured after a sysex dump...My only suggestion is that it's probably better to keep global chorus settings at low values and only increase individual instruments' chorus... Excuse my language but WHAT A FUCKIN' CRAP MANUAL! Any ideas/comments/suggestions would be much appreciated... Thanks, Pan. From dr-660-owner Tue Mar 21 09:00:11 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id JAA19345; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 09:00:11 -0800 Received: from atc.boeing.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA19333; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 09:00:08 -0800 Received: by atc.boeing.com (5.57) id AA23517; Tue, 21 Mar 95 09:04:54 -0800 Received: from hera (hera.hv.boeing.com) by splinter.boeing.com with SMTP (1.37.109.14/16.2) id AA172625139; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 08:58:59 -0800 Received: by hera (931110.SGI/930416.SGI) for @splinter.boeing.com:DR-660@hyperreal.com id AA02316; Tue, 21 Mar 95 11:00:34 -0800 From: "Bob Crispen" Message-Id: <9503211100.ZM2314@hera.hv.boeing.com> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 11:00:34 -0600 In-Reply-To: Mr P Iliopoulos "Effects weirdness..." (Mar 21, 4:04pm) References: <22099.9503211604@cent1.lancs.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.1.0 22feb94 MediaMail) To: DR-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Effects weirdness... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Mar 21, 4:04pm, Mr P Iliopoulos wrote: > I did an all-data bulk dump in my Atari -to save on disk- running > Breakthru v.2 and then switched everything off.I later used Steinberg's > Pro12 sequencer to play around a little and discovered that the > instruments i had added chorus to sounded strange , even when i turned > the chorus down to 0.It was like the chorus effect had been boosted up > a lot (much more than what the 660 normally does). That reminds me of something I noticed the other day: I'd been composing some patterns, and when I hit the OFF button, I could hear the ride cymbal a LONG time afterwards, and the loops were quite audible. When I put the pattern into a song, this effect disappeared. My guess is that your observation and mine aren't related, since I don't have a computer hooked up to my DR-660, but who knows? > Excuse my language but WHAT A FUCKIN' CRAP MANUAL! Amen, brother! Rev. Bob "Bob" Crispen revbob@hera.hv.boeing.com From dr-660-owner Wed Mar 22 12:13:32 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id MAA19555; Wed, 22 Mar 1995 12:13:32 -0800 Received: from mail.lancs.ac.uk by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA19543; Wed, 22 Mar 1995 12:13:19 -0800 Received: from cent1.lancs.ac.uk by mail.lancs.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 22 Mar 1995 20:13:17 +0000 From: Mr P Iliopoulos Message-Id: <27429.9503222013@cent1.lancs.ac.uk> Received: by cent1.lancs.ac.uk; Wed, 22 Mar 95 20:13:12 GMT Subject: Effects weirdness no more! (Squishy read this...) To: DR-660@hyperreal.com Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 20:13:10 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 980 Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello all! This is to do with the letter i mailed yesterday.. My problem seems to have been identical to Vince's from Squishy (excellent name!) records. Well i switched my 660/Atari setup last night and run Breakthru v.2 sequencer.The chorus weirdness was back.Then i had a look at the sequencer's settings and realised that the SOFT THRU function was on. I switched it off and WAY-HEY! the 660's sound was back to normal. (The 660's thru was off as well) I suspect that when soft thru is on, sound data between the 660 and the computer get caught in a feedback loop or something as the computer automatically sends data from its midi in port to its midi out port.Since the effects in the 660 work by looping the sound somehow (i think) things go haywire when this looping is multiplied . Some very interesting sounds can be achieved this way... Thanks, Pan From dr-660-owner Thu Mar 30 08:22:13 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id IAA10452; Thu, 30 Mar 1995 08:22:13 -0800 Received: from martha.utcc.utk.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA10441; Thu, 30 Mar 1995 08:22:10 -0800 Received: by martha.utcc.utk.edu (5.0/2.7c-UTK) id AA05333; Thu, 30 Mar 1995 11:22:09 +0500 Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 11:22:09 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Harris To: dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Question. :) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 1299 Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Readers, First of all, lemme say this; "Hello out there??". This mailing list should be bumpin' with letters, so let's all get back into the swing of things! Ok, now I hvae a question: I noticed in the past that some of you guys were having problems with the bulk-load function when trying to recieve some of the sysex data from mike at hyperreal. Well, just curious, I am going to be doing that show (yes, the one I have mentioned a hundred times already bc Im worried about the 660's memory problem), and Ive decided to just use the disk recorder and bulk-dump my individual songs on seperate disks. Well, my question is is that when I do the bulk-load up on stage from the disk recorder to the 660, is it going to give me problems? I havent tried it yet for Ive been busy alot lately, but if anyone can help me get going in the right direction, i would appreciate it! :) later guys! ************************ Aharris@Martha.Utcc.Utk.Edu ************************ | Specialize in guitar, arranging, and producing. Intense Rock/Metal/Trance | | Main Equipment: Ibanez RG570, Fender Pro185, DigiTech RP-1, Roland Dr660, | | Yahama MT120s, Yamaha DX100, Lincoln Bass, and more...... | ********** For Demos: FTP Hyperreal.Com /incoming/sounds/razorguts ********** From dr-660-owner Thu Mar 30 09:15:05 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id JAA14070; Thu, 30 Mar 1995 09:15:05 -0800 Received: from zoom.bga.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA14064; Thu, 30 Mar 1995 09:15:02 -0800 Received: from edwin-a7.aip.realtime.net (edwin-a7.aip.realtime.net [204.96.1.104]) by zoom.bga.com (8.6.11/8.6.10) with SMTP id LAA17828 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 1995 11:14:18 -0600 Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 11:14:18 -0600 Message-Id: <199503301714.LAA17828@zoom.bga.com> X-Sender: squishy@bga.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dr-660@hyperreal.com From: squishy@bga.com (Squishy) Subject: Problems Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Awhile back I mentioned I was having problems with effects on the 660. A few others mentioned they too have had similiar problems. I talked to the local shop and they told me they want to call Boss. They said it would be really help matters if I had others to confirm this problem. To those of you who have had similiar problems, could you please email me with the scenario. Our comments will then be faxed to Boss. Just FYI, my problem still exists. I did a factory preset and started a whole new kit and the problem showed up again. I tried various methods of eliminating the problem and the only way I could get the problem to go away was by turning the unit off and then back on. Thanks. Vince. Squishy Records From dr-660-owner Fri Mar 31 08:40:31 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id IAA11759; Fri, 31 Mar 1995 08:40:31 -0800 Received: from martha.utcc.utk.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA11733; Fri, 31 Mar 1995 08:40:21 -0800 Received: by martha.utcc.utk.edu (5.0/2.7c-UTK) id AA21144; Fri, 31 Mar 1995 11:40:21 +0500 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 11:40:21 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Harris To: dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Another question Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 760 Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Readers, hey, I know we have all bitched about the small amount of memory in the 660, but, I recently bought a Roland DR-5... and, i DID recieve the manual with this purchase! Anyway, there is a way to check the remaining memory (pattern AND song memory) for the DR-5, so I figure that maybe there is a way to do the same on the 660, but it is not under the utilities menu. OK, here is the question- how the hell can I check the remaining memory in the 660? If there is a way, please show me the light... thankyou.. hey also, still waiting to get a response about the bulk load of sysex data in the 660- will it gimme hell? :) ***** Aharris@Martha.Utcc.Utk.Edu ***** ----------------------------- From dr-660-owner Sun Apr 23 13:49:08 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id NAA07673; Sun, 23 Apr 1995 13:49:08 -0700 Received: from june.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA07639; Sun, 23 Apr 1995 13:48:23 -0700 Received: (map@localhost) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ju) id NAA06798; Sun, 23 Apr 1995 13:48:24 -0700 Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 13:48:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Perkowitz To: DR-660 Mailing List Subject: realtime dr-660 fx control? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk is there any way to change the effects settings in realtime? i.e. using sysex? has anyone tried it? the manual, unsurprisingly, is not very clear about this. i seem to remember it saying the 660 cannot receive *any* sysex when playing.. i'm having great fun playing with the chorus/flange in real time, but i'd like to sequence it and free up my attention :) m ----------------------------------------------------------------------- i ride a turtle into object nirvana evan mclain self become: nil the zen of smalltalk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- map@cs.washington.edu http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/map/ mike perkowitz http://www.hyperreal.com/~tint From dr-660-owner Sun Apr 23 14:43:56 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id OAA11192; Sun, 23 Apr 1995 14:43:56 -0700 Received: from ibm.MtSAC.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA11186; Sun, 23 Apr 1995 14:43:54 -0700 Message-Id: <199504232143.OAA11186@taz.hyperreal.com> Received: from IBM.MTSAC.EDU by ibm.MtSAC.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0354; Sun, 23 Apr 95 14:43:23 PDT Date: Sun, 23 Apr 95 14:39:19 PDT From: Scott <1SHW1010@ibm.MtSAC.edu> Organization: Mt. San Antonio College Subject: Effects... To: DR-660@hyperreal.com Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Most of the time I've spent using the 660 has been altering sounds through the effects (generally the flange) and pitching. Completely rewarding on some of them... Taking the pitch way down and adding a bit of Chorus to the Synbass sample is very cool when you put it into a fast rhythm. You get that typical flange fadeinout sound, with a metallic thudding sound. Very cool. Also cool is taking the 808Cow and pitching that way down as well...but as I mentioned before, this tends to give a loud cracking sound when too much flange is added. The 909Cow (which is actually the 78, is it not) doesn't sound as good under similar circumstances... Anyone else created some good sounds? From dr-660-owner Mon Apr 24 06:26:45 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id GAA29127; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 06:26:45 -0700 Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id GAA29120; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 06:26:39 -0700 Received: from centime.cs.tu-berlin.de (mho@centime.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.22.21]) by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.6.10/8.6.10) with ESMTP id PAA19155; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 15:25:48 +0200 Received: (mho@localhost) by centime.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA08924; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 15:25:46 +0200 Message-Id: <199504241325.PAA08924@centime.cs.tu-berlin.de> Subject: Re: realtime dr-660 fx control? To: map@cs.washington.edu (Mike Perkowitz) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 15:25:44 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: dr-660@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: from "Mike Perkowitz" at Apr 23, 95 01:48:23 pm From: Michael Hopp X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk mike wrote: > > > is there any way to change the effects settings in realtime? i.e. using > sysex? has anyone tried it? the manual, unsurprisingly, is not very clear > about this. i seem to remember it saying the 660 cannot receive *any* > sysex when playing.. don't know about receiving sysex while playing the internal sequencer, but inbetween incoming external midi notes, it works of course, always provided the sequencer software or whatever is capable of generating the correct roland sysex checksums. -- mho@cs.tu-berlin.de - listening to the music the machines make - - I let my heart break - I felt the floor change - - just for a moment - into an ocean - From dr-660-owner Tue Apr 25 03:01:16 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id DAA19168; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 03:01:16 -0700 Received: from lendal.york.ac.uk by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id DAA19132; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 03:00:36 -0700 Received: from ebor.york.ac.uk by lendal.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 25 Apr 1995 10:57:09 +0100 Received: by ebor.york.ac.uk (950215.SGI.8.6.10/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) id LAA28729; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 11:00:43 +0100 Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 11:00:43 +0100 (BST) From: Ian Gibson X-Sender: isg100@ebor.york.ac.uk To: DR-660 Mailing List Subject: realtime dr-660 fx control? In-Reply-To: <199504241325.PAA08924@centime.cs.tu-berlin.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 24 Apr 1995, Michael Hopp wrote: > don't know about receiving sysex while playing the internal sequencer, > but inbetween incoming external midi notes, it works of course, always > provided the sequencer software or whatever is capable of generating > the correct roland sysex checksums. > I thought that parameters can not be controlled in realtime on the dr-660. How, for example, would you change reverb decay ? - Ian From dr-660-owner Wed Apr 26 12:53:07 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id JAA20009; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 09:04:48 -0700 Received: from peseta.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA19993; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 09:04:40 -0700 Received: from fireball by peseta.ucdavis.edu (8.6.12/UCD3.4) id JAA06114; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 09:04:36 -0700 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 09:04:36 -0700 Message-Id: <199504261604.JAA06114@peseta.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szriffle@peseta.ucdavis.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dr-660@hyperreal.com From: rdriffle@ucdavis.edu (Rick Riffle) Subject: Memory X-Mailer: Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Does anyone know of ways to increase the memory on these things? I know that Roland doesn't offer anything. I got three and 1/2 songs written and it's full. From dr-660-owner Wed Apr 26 13:22:46 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id NAA09541; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 13:22:46 -0700 Received: from atc.boeing.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA09534; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 13:22:43 -0700 Received: by atc.boeing.com (5.57) id AA03264; Wed, 26 Apr 95 13:27:46 -0700 Received: from hera (hera.hv.boeing.com) by splinter.boeing.com with SMTP (1.37.109.14/16.2) id AA297587679; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 13:21:19 -0700 Received: by hera (931110.SGI/930416.SGI) for @splinter.boeing.com:dr-660@hyperreal.com id AA17028; Wed, 26 Apr 95 15:23:31 -0700 From: "Bob Crispen" Message-Id: <9504261523.ZM17026@hera.hv.boeing.com> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 15:23:31 -0500 In-Reply-To: rdriffle@ucdavis.edu (Rick Riffle) "Memory" (Apr 26, 9:04am) References: <199504261604.JAA06114@peseta.ucdavis.edu> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.1.0 22feb94 MediaMail) To: dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Memory Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Apr 26, 9:04am, Rick Riffle wrote: > Does anyone know of ways to increase the memory on these things? I know > that Roland doesn't offer anything. I got three and 1/2 songs written and > it's full. I discovered (no thanks to the manual of course!) that you can do a MIDI bulk dump of everything to a synth or sequencer that accepts bulk dumps. My elderly Yamaha V50 did just fine at dumping and restoring memory to and from its built-in disc drive. Bob Crispen revbob@hera.hv.boeing.com From dr-660-owner Wed Apr 26 13:28:57 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id NAA10124; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 13:28:57 -0700 Received: from twain.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA10111; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 13:28:52 -0700 Received: (map@localhost) by twain.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) id NAA00419; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 13:28:53 -0700 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 13:28:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Perkowitz To: DR-660 Mailing List Subject: Re: Memory In-Reply-To: <9504261523.ZM17026@hera.hv.boeing.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > Does anyone know of ways to increase the memory on these things? I know > > that Roland doesn't offer anything. I got three and 1/2 songs written and > > it's full. > > I discovered (no thanks to the manual of course!) that you can do a > MIDI bulk dump of everything to a synth or sequencer that accepts > bulk dumps. My elderly Yamaha V50 did just fine at dumping and > restoring memory to and from its built-in disc drive. well sheesh, the manual isnt great, but it's not like you cant get anything out of it. it's pretty easy to dump things from the 660, and the manual gives the basics. anyway, you can dump individual kits, all kits, patterns, songs, etc. what i usually do is, when i'm working on a piece on the computer (i use cakewalk for dos), i dump whatever drum kits i'm using to cakewalk and save them with the song. i find that easier than dumping a big mess of stuff and sorting it out later. m ----------------------------------------------------------------------- In school, every period ends with a bell. Every sentence ends with a period. Every crime ends with a sentence. -- Steven Wright ----------------------------------------------------------------------- map@cs.washington.edu http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/map/ mike perkowitz http://www.hyperreal.com/~tint From dr-660-owner Thu Apr 27 00:44:31 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id AAA03822; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 00:44:31 -0700 Received: from zoom.bga.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA03815; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 00:44:29 -0700 Received: from maria-6b.aip.realtime.net (maria-6b.aip.realtime.net [204.181.160.98]) by zoom.bga.com (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id CAA14924 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 02:44:31 -0500 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 02:44:31 -0500 Message-Id: <199504270744.CAA14924@zoom.bga.com> X-Sender: squishy@bga.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dr-660@hyperreal.com From: squishy@bga.com (Squishy) Subject: Here's What I Want... Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk My DR-660 has served me well, but now it's time to find something new. After having problems with it, it's made me reconsider it's existance in my studio. I've decided that I will keep it, but I want something else too. I don't know if what i'm looking for exists, but I figured this would be the best place to post to find out. I'm not really concerned with price or age. I don't care if it's a module or drum machine. It doesn't need to have a sequencer. Here's what I would like it to have... good (dance music) sounds random panning random pitch resonant filters built-in effects (not a must) Basically, I want lots of editting power. Don't get me wrong, the DR-660 gives you a decent amount of editting, but I want more. Am I dreaming or does something exist. If anyone can think of anything that even comes close, please let me know. I've looked around to see what's available and it looks pretty thin. The two stores here have the DR-* family and the Alesis D4... not much to choose from. Thanks. Vince. Squishy Records From dr-660-owner Thu Apr 27 11:20:06 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id LAA04924; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 11:20:06 -0700 Received: from sierra.zyzzyva.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA04867; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 11:19:35 -0700 Received: from twain.cs.washington.edu (twain.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.3]) by sierra.zyzzyva.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id NAA00920 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 13:03:47 -0500 Received: (map@localhost) by twain.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) id LAA02986; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 11:04:34 -0700 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 11:04:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Perkowitz To: DR-660 Mailing List Subject: Re: Here's What I Want... In-Reply-To: <199504270744.CAA14924@zoom.bga.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > good (dance music) sounds > random panning > random pitch > resonant filters > built-in effects (not a must) > > Basically, I want lots of editting power. Don't get me wrong, the > DR-660 gives you a decent amount of editting, but I want more. i think what you want is the kawai XD-5. it's mostly a K4r but with drum sounds as the basic wave samples. it has resonant filters and a lot of editability, but i dont think it has the random stuff. i believe some of the higher end roland drum machines have randomizing abilities. you might check out the R8, the R8 rack module (with the 808 and dance cards), and the R70. i'd be interested in hearing what you find out particularly about the R8 rack.. i've occasionally wondered if i shouldnt think about trading my 660 for one, since i mostly use it as a sound source. so please report back :) another drum module to consider might be the yamaha RM-50. i hear it's editable, and it does have waveform card expansion slots. there's also the e-mu procussion (and the D4), both of which sound less interesting. there's also the yamaha RY-30, a nice box in many ways. approximately comparable to the 660. it's probably not sophisticated enough for what you want. but it does have that wheel... m ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "The caribou love it. They rub against it and they have babies. There are more caribou in Alaska than you can shae a stick at." --George Bush, on the Alaska pipeline ----------------------------------------------------------------------- map@cs.washington.edu http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/map/ mike perkowitz http://www.hyperreal.com/~tint From dr-660-owner Thu Apr 27 13:07:55 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id NAA02272; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 13:07:55 -0700 Received: from ramona.cyborganic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA02263; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 13:07:52 -0700 Received: from [140.174.95.130] ([140.174.95.130]) by ramona.cyborganic.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA06734 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 12:11:51 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 12:13:10 -0700 To: dr-660@hyperreal.com From: jsd@cyborganic.com (Jon Drukman) Subject: Re: Here's What I Want... Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >> good (dance music) sounds >> random panning >> random pitch >> resonant filters >> built-in effects (not a must) >> >> Basically, I want lots of editting power. Don't get me wrong, the >> DR-660 gives you a decent amount of editting, but I want more. vince, it sounds like you really should just get a good sampler. you will probably get bored of any drum machine in a small amount of time. i have the dr660 and i use it for "bread and butter" with the weirdness supplied by my K2000. now THAT'S editing power... yeah, it does cost a bit more than a drum box (DR660 - $300, K2000 - $3000) but you will NEVER run into a dead end with it, i guarantee it... :) and if you can't fork out the bread for a K2000, there are other samplers with decent amounts of editing power for less than half the cost... Jon Drukman jsd@cyborganic.com I can tell you're cool because your water costs more than your beer. From dr-660-owner Fri Apr 28 12:16:17 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id MAA17333; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 12:16:17 -0700 Received: from zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA17327; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 12:16:15 -0700 Received: from install01.x500.bt.co.uk by zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 28 Apr 1995 20:15:34 +0100 Received: from smtpgate.x500.bt.co.uk ([147.149.149.17]) by install01.x500.bt.co.uk; Fri, 28 Apr 95 20:18:59 BST Received: by smtpgate.x500.bt.co.uk with Microsoft Mail id <2FA13E85@smtpgate.x500.bt.co.uk>; Fri, 28 Apr 95 20:14:13 BST From: "Graham, John" To: "'DR-660@hyperreal.com'" Subject: Pad volume settings Date: Fri, 28 Apr 95 20:14:00 BST Message-Id: <2FA13E85@smtpgate.x500.bt.co.uk> Encoding: 18 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I seem to have set one of my pads (the pedal hihat) to volume setting 9 and can't get it back up. It seems to be on all drum kits too. OK I know how to change it back to 32 but I can't seem to save it. When I change to a different drum kit (and then back) it's set back to 9 again. I guess I originally did this by accident and now I'd just like it reset for all kits. I can't find any help in the manual. Anyone? Regards, John PS I downloaded the 2 kits from hyperreal (dub and hypno) but couldn't download them from Cakewalk into my 660. I solved the problem by setting my 660 to midi channel 1, the sxy must have been taken from a machine with midi channel 1 and it's embedded in the patch. This may be old news, but it might help some other newbee like me. Oh yes, the kits are great... From dr-660-owner Sun Apr 30 07:13:43 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id HAA14833; Sun, 30 Apr 1995 07:13:43 -0700 Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id HAA14823; Sun, 30 Apr 1995 07:13:33 -0700 Received: from centime.cs.tu-berlin.de (mho@centime.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.22.21]) by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.6.10/8.6.10) with ESMTP id QAA00394 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 1995 16:13:09 +0200 Received: (mho@localhost) by centime.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA03257 for dr-660@hyperreal.com; Sun, 30 Apr 1995 16:13:07 +0200 Message-Id: <199504301413.QAA03257@centime.cs.tu-berlin.de> Subject: realtime dr-660 fx control? (fwd) To: dr-660@hyperreal.com Date: Sun, 30 Apr 1995 16:13:05 +0200 (MET DST) From: Michael Hopp X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Ian wrote: > > On Mon, 24 Apr 1995, Michael Hopp wrote: > > > don't know about receiving sysex while playing the internal sequencer, > > but inbetween incoming external midi notes, it works of course, always > > provided the sequencer software or whatever is capable of generating > > the correct roland sysex checksums. > > > > I thought that parameters can not be controlled in realtime on the > dr-660. How, for example, would you change reverb decay ? > > - Ian hmm, that would be this as raw MIDI data (all values hexadecimal): f0, 41, Device-ID, 52, 12, 00, 02, 00, 01, value, checksum, f7 | \ / | (MIDIChannel - 1) Memory adress for reverb time * * the checksum is computed by adding all bytes for the adress and the value and then substracting this from 80. For a value of 5 here this would be : (80 - (00 + 02 + 00 + 01 + 05)) = 78. The adress mapping for all parameter was in the back of my manual. the only thing not mentioned there was the checksum, but i had found this out already for my MT-32 years ago and discovered that it was the same for the 660. If your sequencer allows you to type in raw MIDI data, you are able to make such a string for each combination of parameter/value. Your'e better of with for example the MIDI-Manager in Cubase where you can build a slider for that. -- mho@cs.tu-berlin.de - listening to the music the machines make - - I let my heart break - I felt the floor change - - just for a moment - into an ocean - From dr-660-owner Sun Apr 30 07:24:52 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id HAA15184; Sun, 30 Apr 1995 07:24:52 -0700 Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id HAA15178; Sun, 30 Apr 1995 07:24:47 -0700 Received: from centime.cs.tu-berlin.de (mho@centime.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.22.21]) by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.6.10/8.6.10) with ESMTP id QAA00518 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 1995 16:24:35 +0200 Received: (mho@localhost) by centime.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA03313 for dr-660@hyperreal.com; Sun, 30 Apr 1995 16:24:32 +0200 Message-Id: <199504301424.QAA03313@centime.cs.tu-berlin.de> Subject: Pad volume settings (fwd) To: dr-660@hyperreal.com Date: Sun, 30 Apr 1995 16:24:31 +0200 (MET DST) From: Michael Hopp X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk John wrote: > > > I seem to have set one of my pads (the pedal hihat) to volume setting 9 > and can't get it back up. It seems to be on all drum kits too. OK I know > how to change it back to 32 but I can't seem to save it. When I change to > a different drum kit (and then back) it's set back to 9 again. I guess I > originally did this by accident and now I'd just like it reset for all > kits. I can't find any help in the manual. > Anyone? > there is no save procedure on the 660. The first 8 Drumkits are read-only, all changes made to them get lost when changing to another kit. Changes for kits 9 to 38 are stored immediately: I think the only way to recover the not-read-only factory kits is by receiving a bulk dump of them. -- mho@cs.tu-berlin.de - listening to the music the machines make - - I let my heart break - I felt the floor change - - just for a moment - into an ocean - From dr-660-owner Tue May 2 01:06:49 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id BAA11854; Tue, 2 May 1995 01:06:49 -0700 Received: from t.hfb.se by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id BAA11841; Tue, 2 May 1995 01:06:29 -0700 Received: from tex1.hfb.se by t.hfb.se (4.1/HFB_T-1.1) id AA12787; Tue, 2 May 95 10:06:20 +0200 Date: Tue, 2 May 95 10:06:20 +0200 From: d93fso@t.hfb.se (Fredrik Solenberg - HFB T d93) Message-Id: <9505020806.AA12787@t.hfb.se> To: dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Pad volume settings Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > I seem to have set one of my pads (the pedal hihat) to volume setting 9 > and can't get it back up. It seems to be on all drum kits too. OK I know > how to change it back to 32 but I can't seem to save it. When I change to > a different drum kit (and then back) it's set back to 9 again. I guess I > originally did this by accident and now I'd just like it reset for all > kits. I can't find any help in the manual. > Anyone? If you're editing one of the drumkits 1-7, the problem is that those cannot be saved, because they are ROM (Read-Only Memory) presets. The reason you can edit the kit at all is that the 660 probably reads the kit from ROM into an edit buffer (in RAM). Kits are saved when switching to a new one. I recall the volume being a value from 0 to 15... not 32.. am I wrong?? / Fredrik Solenberg From dr-660-owner Sat May 6 18:05:47 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id SAA23536; Sat, 6 May 1995 18:05:47 -0700 Received: from june.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA23531; Sat, 6 May 1995 18:05:45 -0700 Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com (mail06.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.108]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ju) with ESMTP id SAA01939; Sat, 6 May 1995 18:05:37 -0700 From: TKCOLLAPSE@aol.com Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA130028741; Sat, 6 May 1995 21:05:41 -0400 Date: Sat, 6 May 1995 21:05:41 -0400 Message-Id: <950506210540_109549088@aol.com> To: dr-660@cs.washington.edu Cc: map@cs.washington.edu Subject: hi Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Could you please provide me with info regarding the DR-660 drum machine. If you need more info from me please get in touch. Thanks, --Bill From dr-660-owner Thu May 11 16:24:58 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id QAA09079; Thu, 11 May 1995 16:24:58 -0700 Received: from mail.lancs.ac.uk by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id QAA09064; Thu, 11 May 1995 16:24:45 -0700 Received: from cent1.lancs.ac.uk by mail.lancs.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 12 May 1995 00:22:48 +0100 From: Mr P Iliopoulos Message-Id: <8409.9505112322@cent1.lancs.ac.uk> Received: by cent1.lancs.ac.uk; Fri, 12 May 95 00:22:22 +0100 Subject: Effects problems ( Squishy are you there?) To: DR-660@hyperreal.com Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 00:22:21 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1018 Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Helllo all this is Pan from Lancaster ,UK I honestly don't think there are any built in problems with the 660's FX (apart from the odd crackling:turning Chorus delay to 0 might help) Vince described his problem and i had a similar one . In my case there was an error in uploading the dumped data which fucked up the fx :when loading data from an external source that has a soft thru option instead of a separate thru port , switch that to OFF Its important to keep your eyes fixed to the 660's screen while it's uploading data :If there is an error , the error message ('ChkSum error!' or 'Serial error!' will flash MOMENTARILY in between the blinking 'Receiving sysex' message . If that happens , try again.Your data might also have been corrupted due to a disk error. I'm sure the effects problems are simply data transmission errors.I've never had any problems since i learned when to switch my sequencer's thru OFF. hope that helps, Pan. From dr-660-owner Fri May 12 02:44:45 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id CAA20394; Fri, 12 May 1995 02:44:45 -0700 Received: from zoom.bga.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id CAA20389; Fri, 12 May 1995 02:44:43 -0700 Received: from ivy-a5.aip.realtime.net (ivy-a5.aip.realtime.net [204.96.1.70]) by zoom.bga.com (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id EAA08281; Fri, 12 May 1995 04:44:31 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 04:44:31 -0500 Message-Id: <199505120944.EAA08281@zoom.bga.com> X-Sender: squishy@bga.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mr P Iliopoulos From: squishy@bga.com (Squishy) Subject: Re: Effects problems ( Squishy are you there?) Cc: DR-660@hyperreal.com Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Helllo all this is Pan from Lancaster ,UK Hiya! > I honestly don't think there are any built in problems with the 660's >FX (apart from the odd crackling:turning Chorus delay to 0 might help) Neither does Boss, but I beg to differ. > Vince described his problem and i had a similar one . >In my case there was an error in uploading the dumped data which fucked up the >fx :when loading data from an external source that has a soft thru >option instead of a separate thru port , switch that to OFF The problem I have occurs when i'm starting and stopping play from my external sequencer. I talked to Boss, they are sending me a ROM upgrade. They don't think this will solve the problem, but they want to give it a try. If anyone would like to help me figure this out, I can do a sysex dump and tell you how to recreate the problem. Thanks. Vince. Squishy Records From dr-660-owner Fri May 12 04:41:43 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id EAA26180; Fri, 12 May 1995 04:41:43 -0700 Received: from zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id EAA26172; Fri, 12 May 1995 04:41:40 -0700 Received: from install01.x500.bt.co.uk by zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 12 May 1995 12:40:50 +0100 Received: from smtpgate.x500.bt.co.uk ([147.149.149.17]) by install01.x500.bt.co.uk; Fri, 12 May 95 12:44:18 BST Received: by smtpgate.x500.bt.co.uk with Microsoft Mail id <2FB348FF@smtpgate.x500.bt.co.uk>; Fri, 12 May 95 12:39:43 BST From: "Graham, John" To: dr-660 Subject: RE: Effects problems ( Squishy are you there?) Date: Fri, 12 May 95 12:38:00 BST Message-Id: <2FB348FF@smtpgate.x500.bt.co.uk> Encoding: 19 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > The problem I have occurs when i'm starting and stopping play from my > external sequencer. > I> talked to Boss, they are sending me a ROM upgrade. They don't think > this will solve the problem, but they want to give it a try. > > If anyone would like to help me figure this out, I can do a sysex dump > and tell you how to recreate the problem. > > Thanks. > Vince. > Squishy Records I'll try and help out Vince, mail to me at john@rave.demon.co.uk. TG John From dr-660-owner Fri May 12 09:56:15 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id JAA18989; Fri, 12 May 1995 09:56:15 -0700 Received: from mailgate.Cadence.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA18980; Fri, 12 May 1995 09:56:11 -0700 Received: (from smap@localhost) by mailgate.Cadence.COM (8.6.8/8.6.8) id JAA20039; Fri, 12 May 1995 09:56:03 -0700 Received: from cadence.cadence.com(158.140.18.1) by mailgate.cadence.com via smap (V1.0mjr) id sma019999; Fri May 12 09:55:47 1995 Received: from cds9258.cadence.com by cadence.Cadence.COM (5.61/3.14) id AA06742; Fri, 12 May 95 09:55:30 -0700 Received: from [158.140.4.106] ([158.140.4.106]) by cds9258.cadence.com (8.6.8/8.6.8) with SMTP id JAA00873; Fri, 12 May 1995 09:54:21 -0700 X-Sender: noah@cds9258 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 09:53:39 -0800 To: "Graham, John" From: noah@cadence.com (Noah Ruiz) Subject: RE: Effects problems ( Squishy are you there?) Cc: dr-660@hyperreal.com Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >> The problem I have occurs when i'm starting and stopping play from my >> external sequencer. >> >I> talked to Boss, they are sending me a ROM upgrade. They don't think >> this will solve the problem, but they want to give it a try. >> >> If anyone would like to help me figure this out, I can do a sysex dump >> and tell you how to recreate the problem. >> >> Thanks. > >> Vince. >> Squishy Records > >I'll try and help out Vince, mail to me at john@rave.demon.co.uk. > >TG John So is this ROM upgrade for the dr660? Well what I mean is the dr660 being upgraded? Siphon "The Pig is PHAT" noah@cadence.com e-mail me for info on siphon creations -=ambient+techno+experimental=- From dr-660-owner Fri May 12 11:10:09 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id LAA26416; Fri, 12 May 1995 11:10:09 -0700 Received: from zoom.bga.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA26409; Fri, 12 May 1995 11:10:07 -0700 Received: from vern-b6.aip.realtime.net (vern-b6.aip.realtime.net [204.96.1.47]) by zoom.bga.com (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id NAA10903; Fri, 12 May 1995 13:09:58 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 13:09:58 -0500 Message-Id: <199505121809.NAA10903@zoom.bga.com> X-Sender: squishy@bga.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: noah@cadence.com (Noah Ruiz) From: squishy@bga.com (Squishy) Subject: RE: Effects problems ( Squishy are you there?) Cc: dr-660@hyperreal.com Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >So is this ROM upgrade for the dr660? Yes. >Well what I mean is the dr660 being upgraded? Not as a mass. If you have an older 660, chances are that you have an older ROM, but if you aren't having any problems, you can't get a newer one unless you pay for it. If you are having problems, call Boss and explain the problems, if they feel a newer ROM will solve those problems, you get the ROM for free. Later... Vince. Squishy Records From dr-660-owner Fri May 12 11:38:31 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id LAA29124; Fri, 12 May 1995 11:38:31 -0700 Received: from twain.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA29111; Fri, 12 May 1995 11:38:28 -0700 Received: (map@localhost) by twain.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) id LAA09979; Fri, 12 May 1995 11:38:25 -0700 Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 11:38:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Perkowitz To: DR-660 Mailing List Subject: ROM upgrade In-Reply-To: <199505121809.NAA10903@zoom.bga.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk i guess what we want to know is, does the ROM upgrade do anything useful and interesting, or is it just a few OS fixes that most people would be unlikely to notice? i'll go ahead and assume that it doesnt provide what i really want: more memory, new sounds, ability to load sounds via MIDI SDS, ... ;) oh, and a fix to that annoying thing where it doesnt delete the name when you delete the pattern. duh. m ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "E-mail is reincarnating the age of letter writing. We're keeping in touch the way the Victorians did, building a personal community connected by a constant stream of letters sharing news and gossip. E-mail is reviving the 'letter' as a forum for wit, style, and personality, as well as serving as an invaluable business tool." - Leslie Schroeder, Silicon Valley PR consultant to high-tech companies ----------------------------------------------------------------------- map@cs.washington.edu http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/map/ mike perkowitz http://www.hyperreal.com/~tint From dr-660-owner Fri May 12 12:22:23 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id MAA03318; Fri, 12 May 1995 12:22:23 -0700 Received: from zoom.bga.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA03294; Fri, 12 May 1995 12:22:19 -0700 Received: from vern-b6.aip.realtime.net (edwin-a0.aip.realtime.net [204.96.1.97]) by zoom.bga.com (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id OAA17254; Fri, 12 May 1995 14:22:13 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 14:22:13 -0500 Message-Id: <199505121922.OAA17254@zoom.bga.com> X-Sender: squishy@bga.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mike Perkowitz From: squishy@bga.com (Squishy) Subject: Re: ROM upgrade Cc: dr-660@hyperreal.com Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >i guess what we want to know is, does the ROM upgrade do anything useful >and interesting, or is it just a few OS fixes that most people would be >unlikely to notice? I think it just fixes to the OS. >i'll go ahead and assume that it doesnt provide what i really want: more >memory, new sounds, ability to load sounds via MIDI SDS, ... ;) ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Yeah, don't we all wish! I would just love some more sounds. Later... Vince. Squishy Records From dr-660-owner Fri May 12 13:12:31 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id NAA08398; Fri, 12 May 1995 13:12:31 -0700 Received: from astro.cs.umass.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA08391; Fri, 12 May 1995 13:12:29 -0700 Received: (from barrett@localhost) by astro.cs.umass.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) id QAA23030; Fri, 12 May 1995 16:12:29 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 16:12:29 -0400 From: Daniel Barrett Message-Id: <199505122012.QAA23030@astro.cs.umass.edu> To: dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: ROM upgrade References: <199505121922.OAA17254@zoom.bga.com> Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On May 12, 1995, Squishy wrote: >>i'll go ahead and assume that it doesnt provide what i really want: more >>memory, new sounds, ability to load sounds via MIDI SDS, ... ;) ^^^^ > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >Yeah, don't we all wish! I would just love some more sounds. More sounds? Like what? So far, I have found that 255 drum sounds and great programmability have been enough for me. My only sound wish would be for better hihat cymbals. Dan //////////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ | Dan Barrett -- Computer Science Dept, University of MA, Amherst, MA 01003 | | http://zoo.cs.umass.edu/~barrett/public.html -- barrett@cs.umass.edu | \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\///////////////////////////////////// From dr-660-owner Fri May 12 13:48:29 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id NAA11685; Fri, 12 May 1995 13:48:29 -0700 Received: from firewall.island.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA11676; Fri, 12 May 1995 13:48:26 -0700 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by firewall.island.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id NAA20313 for ; Fri, 12 May 1995 13:51:55 -0700 Received: from island.island.com(199.4.85.1) by firewall via smap (V1.3mjr) id sma020311; Fri May 12 13:51:39 1995 Received: from saipan by island.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA02471; Fri, 12 May 1995 13:48:10 +0800 Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 13:48:10 +0800 Message-Id: <9505122048.AA02471@island.com> X-Sender: kin@greenland.island.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dr-660@hyperreal.com From: kin@island.com (Kin Blas) Subject: Re: ROM upgrade X-Mailer: content-length: 237 Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > More sounds? Like what? So far, I have found that 255 drum >sounds and great programmability have been enough for me. My only >sound wish would be for better hihat cymbals. More cymbals period. --== Kin Blas ==-- kin@island.com From dr-660-owner Fri May 12 13:59:14 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id NAA12684; Fri, 12 May 1995 13:59:14 -0700 Received: from zoom.bga.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA12676; Fri, 12 May 1995 13:59:13 -0700 Received: from vern-b6.aip.realtime.net (edwin-a0.aip.realtime.net [204.96.1.97]) by zoom.bga.com (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id PAA25629; Fri, 12 May 1995 15:59:09 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 15:59:09 -0500 Message-Id: <199505122059.PAA25629@zoom.bga.com> X-Sender: squishy@bga.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Daniel Barrett From: squishy@bga.com (Squishy) Subject: Re: ROM upgrade Cc: dr-660@hyperreal.com Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >On May 12, 1995, Squishy wrote: >>>i'll go ahead and assume that it doesnt provide what i really want: more >>>memory, new sounds, ability to load sounds via MIDI SDS, ... ;) ^^^^ >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >>Yeah, don't we all wish! I would just love some more sounds. > > More sounds? Like what? So far, I have found that 255 drum >sounds and great programmability have been enough for me. My only >sound wish would be for better hihat cymbals. I've written approx. 54 songs with the DR-660 and for me, it seems like i'm out of sounds. Yeah, you can tweak the pitch, etc. etc., but it's still the same sounds. Better and more cymbals would be nice, more metals period. Not a wide selection there. Of course it's personal preference, but i'd like more electronic drum sounds v. the real sounds. I mean, if I were a grunge rocker, would I really want to use a drum machine... no, I would have real drummer. I'm sure there are people who use the 660 for those _real_ drum sounds, but IMO, there are too many of them. Of course, this all falls into the _here's what i'd like from a drum machine_ category. Later... Vince. Squishy Records From dr-660-owner Fri May 12 14:08:52 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id OAA14018; Fri, 12 May 1995 14:08:52 -0700 Received: from peseta.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA14013; Fri, 12 May 1995 14:08:50 -0700 Received: from fireball by peseta.ucdavis.edu (8.6.12/UCD3.4) id OAA08072; Fri, 12 May 1995 14:08:46 -0700 Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 14:08:46 -0700 Message-Id: <199505122108.OAA08072@peseta.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szriffle@peseta.ucdavis.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dr-660@hyperreal.com From: rdriffle@ucdavis.edu (Rick Riffle) Subject: Re: ROM upgrade X-Mailer: Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >On May 12, 1995, Squishy wrote: >>>i'll go ahead and assume that it doesnt provide what i really want: more >>>memory, new sounds, ability to load sounds via MIDI SDS, ... ;) ^^^^ >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >>Yeah, don't we all wish! I would just love some more sounds. > > More sounds? Like what? So far, I have found that 255 drum >sounds and great programmability have been enough for me. My only >sound wish would be for better hihat cymbals. > Ya Dan, I agree. I spend half my time programing the sounds to sound like I want before I even start sequencing them. I've fucked with the parameters of some of the sounds til they sound like synth sounds even supposed drum sounds like the toms. Try using those base guitar type sounds at the end of the list. Turn the pitch to +2400 or -2400 and make it sustain for +31. There's alot more sounds in there than you may think. Use what you have. Rick From dr-660-owner Mon May 15 03:49:46 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id DAA22591; Mon, 15 May 1995 03:49:46 -0700 Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id DAA22520; Mon, 15 May 1995 03:47:55 -0700 Via: uk.ac.plymouth.school-of-computing; Mon, 15 May 1995 11:20:12 +0100 Via: [141.163.211.153]; Mon, 15 May 95 11:03:12 BST Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 11:24:25 +0100 To: squishy@bga.com (Squishy), dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com From: paul@school-of-computing.plymouth.ac.uk (Paul Maguire) Subject: 660 users... Cc: dr-660@hyperreal.com Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 3:59 pm 12/5/95, Squishy wrote: >I mean, if I were a grunge rocker, would I >really want to use a drum machine... no, I would have real drummer. >I'm sure there are people who use the 660 for those _real_ drum >sounds, but IMO, there are too many of them. Vince... You're oh-so-right. What type of person uses a beat-box? Someone who is into techno, hip-hop (although I find many of the sounds too 'clean' for this), jungle, or some other technology-based music. Surely not some acoustic or bass/vocal/guitar set-up? Anyone who uses a drum machine in order to mimic a real drummer is missing the point. A drum machine can do things a drummer can only imagine...It's a totally different way of thinking about the production of music. But, it must be said, there are too many crap snares and hihats on the 660. Rant, rant, rant, rave... 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