My new PSR-3000 video

Posted by: Kabinopus

My new PSR-3000 video - 07/16/22 12:08 PM

Greetings!

As I finally took my SX900 to a service hoping to get fixed "the noisy keyboard" problem, I had a reason to take my old PSR-3000 out of a bag and play it. 

Surely, PSR-3000 doesn't have a lot of new and useful sounds. In the same time, I noticed something, which I also noticed comparing it to PSR-S950 before, the overall sound feels a bit more "joyful" and "bright". As this is very subjective, I don't plan to go deeper about it...

As for the controls, I have to say that these plastic buttons proved to be more reliable than rubber ones on PSR-S950; they feel solid, yet not at all noisy.

Basically, so far I don't see any practical advantage of a touchscreen on SX900, in fact, it makes some adjustments rather uncomfortable; maybe just for typing names it's better, but as for other things, like muting parts, it's not very good.

While playing PSR-3000 I came up with this tune.



( https://youtu.be/uRMDYzfhtec )

Also, the joystick on SX900 instead of two wheels... makes it hard to fix "modulation"...

Frankly, I'm a bit confused. But still looking forward to get my SX900 back. But confused.

_
Posted by: Diki

Re: My new PSR-3000 video - 07/16/22 09:20 PM

So far, I haven’t seen touch screens used the way that makes best use of them. We still get baked in layouts, as if they were actual buttons.

But the real strength of a touchscreen is that it is infinitely variable. There’s no reason why you can’t collect the buttons and sliders that YOU actually want onto one screen. Why manufacturers haven’t realized this is beyond me. Arrangers get more and more complex, but your interface is hard baked in, either by the button layout or the set in stone screen layout.

Now, for Yamaha, it’s early days. Genos and SX900 are the first of the breed, and I think Yamaha went far more for graphics eye candy that actual usefulness. Korg’s new arranger ups the game a bit, and in fairness, the old G70/E80 screen layout was good, not much eye candy, and a ton of stuff displayed well that is much harder to get to quickly in the BK series.

If Yamaha’s users universally gripe about the wasted screen real estate wasted on huge pictures of the instruments, perhaps they can change their philosophy. But complaining here and not directly to Yamaha don’t get it done!

Personally, I’d love to see a screen layout app. Pick what functions you want to see, discard the ones you don’t. A couple of custom screen layouts (along with the factory preset ones) ought to seriously improve ease of playing…
Posted by: ekurburski

Re: My new PSR-3000 video - 07/17/22 11:50 AM

Remind me again why I should just stay wiyh my 3000.
Posted by: Diki

Re: My new PSR-3000 video - 07/17/22 12:57 PM

Originally Posted By ekurburski
Remind me again why I should just stay wiyh my 3000.


Because your Mirage might get self conscious about its age without the 3000 for company? 😂

All joking aside, there’s really only one ‘good’ reason to upgrade… does the new keyboard immediately and with no extra work on your behalf help you play far better than you already can? 🎹😎

For me, as a serious fan of using chord sequencers to free up my left hand, I’d suggest that feature alone is worth the upgrade, but if you’re not a big bender user or a strong comper with the LH, it might not be that big a deal.

But all in all, I think there’s enough very significant progress between the 3000 and the SX for an upgrade to be worth the money (as you’ve already missed three or so generations of incremental progress). All the extra insert effects, Revo drum kits (quite the game changer to the overall punchlines of Yamaha styles), chord sequencer, etc. can make a significant change.

But…

Other than brand new styles, if you import your legacy data and just play that, you’re going to hear little difference. Until you edit all your old stuff to use the new sounds, new kits, insert effects on style Parts etc. you are still basically playing your old keyboard. I think this is why so many get a bit underwhelmed with newer arrangers… they’re still playing their old registrations and wondering why they aren’t hearing a massive improvement.

There’s no silver bullet. A new arranger means a boatload of work converting all your old stuff if you want to be wowed by how much better it sounds…
Posted by: Kabinopus

Re: My new PSR-3000 video - 07/17/22 02:08 PM

Originally Posted By ekurburski
Remind me again why I should just stay wiyh my 3000.


I still haven't got my SX900 back, and I feel impulses to turn it on and play its electric piano sounds, and to listen to its jazz rhythms. However, when I did it not that long ago, I played it for 10 or 15 minutes, then I was doing some other business. There were times when I could play a new keyboard for hours, but when you go from a very entry level to more professional instruments there are indeed a lot to discover. I had a hope that new SX900 would make me to spend at least two hours a day straight with it, maybe I'm just getting too old to get so passionate or need to go back on caffeine...

Anyway, I'm glad that I didn't sell my PSR-3000. And have to say that although each new Yamaha arranger has almost all the "legacy" voices, and it supports any older style, it feels to me that each model has its own specific sound, so if you really like certain things about your keyboard, I wouldn't be 100% sure that it will be the same on a new one.

ekurburski, I see it's you birthday, so I wish you a Happy Birthday! piano
Posted by: bruno123

Re: My new PSR-3000 video - 07/17/22 11:48 PM

Kabinopus, I listened to your Psr 3000 recording, nice real nice. Less happening, it was clearer, it was good.

I am now a home player. My favorite keyboard was the Kn7000. My set-up started with the Kn2000; it stayed with me till now, on my Sx900. Speed is not important, no dancers, just me.
This is what is important to me:

It should not sound like an arranger keyboard. It should sound like REAL BAND. Keep in mind that I play older music, like big band; and any music that tells a story.
The death of the Organ:

As a piano tuner, I worked in many music stores; I got to hear sales people demoing organs. 9 ½ demoed the organ with an organ sound. At the Orlando, Florida organ concerts Wersi organ players demoed their organs as a live band. When you closed your eyes, you pictured a live trio, sixth, maybe a 12-piece band. I my set-ups with that in mind. Playing all the notes is a nice idea, but capturing the feel of the band/song is more important.

In a live band instruments change. Many times, the band volume meets that change. Example: a trumpet does not sound the same on all types of music. Ballad, mellow, Latin, sharp and high.
Listen, listen, create, and create. Do not make your arranger keyboard sound like an arranger keyboard.

There will be a second part on this subject shortly. Please keep in mind, this is meant to help, it is still only my opinion.
John C.
Posted by: travlin'easy

Re: My new PSR-3000 video - 07/18/22 09:01 AM

Well, old friend, that PSR-3000 still sounds great, and from my perspective, it was truly a workhorse of an arranger keyboard, and for many of us, it still is. I never had a button failure with either of my 3000s, but had to replace nearly all of the rubber buttons on my S-950 within the past year. Fortunately, I have access to a great, factory authorized technician who makes house calls at no extra charge. He was able to replace the buttons within a hour, the parts were not at all expensive, and they now function as good as the day the keyboard came out of the factory.

Earl, hang on to that 3000. As you can see from my Russian friend's video, it still sounds great and probably will continue to sound great for the next decade. Granted, not as many bells and whistles, but it has all the sounds that anyone could wish for and as you could hear from the video, they still sound very realistic.

Now, Diki honestly believes that an arranger keyboard does not sound as good as a live instrument, but here's where we disagree. If you recall, about 5 years ago, DNJ posted a video of a 6-piece band performing on stage, and during that video, each and every member of the band stopped playing their instrument, but the music continued just as if they were still playing. Finally, when the last player stopped playing and walked off stage, a curtain opened and there was a guy playing his Yamaha arranger keyboard, just the same as the band was playing live. NO ONE in the audience knew the difference! NO ONE!

As far as the humanizing, well, when I was performing in a band and playing my Yamaha 12-string guitar, I hated it when one of the band members strayed from the tempo, or cranked up the volume on his or her instrument thereby bypassing the mixer, and the other band members had to follow those changes. Either you can maintain good timing, or you cannot - some folks just cannot do this. As far as I am concerned, it's their problem - not mine. This was among the many reasons I went solo and never looked back. Now, don't get me wrong. I enjoyed performing in a 5-piece group, we had lots of nite club jobs that paid little of next to nothing back then, and we managed to keep in touch until most of them passed away. Only two of the original band members is still alive other than myself and he just turned 90. Yes, I was the youngster in the band. wink

All the best, and thanks for posting that video,

Gary cool
Posted by: Diki

Re: My new PSR-3000 video - 07/18/22 10:39 AM

Gary, I think you are confusing ‘hamanizing’ with ‘playing badly’. No one was talking about speeding up, or playing too loud. No drum machine or any other gear has this as a feature.

And I’m sorry that you consider the occasional flaws in other players the reason to go solo. I’m hoping you aren’t considering that you were perfect! But did the other musicians you played with go solo to get away from YOUR mistakes?

Just because an audience couldn’t tell the difference between an arranger and a live band, the point wasn’t that untrained ears can’t tell. It’s whether WE can. Because we are the ones playing and listening to the arranger 24/7, the audience gets a few minutes, and ‘listening’ isn’t really the reason they are there. They want to dance. They want to eat. They want to drink. They want to chat up that pretty redhead… and, oh yeah, there’s some music going on. They don’t hear it be identical every time you play the same registration. They don’t hear the same fill night after night after night. They don’t hear the exact same baked in Intro every single time it gets played. But we do.

I can tell you, that video Donny posted didn’t fool me. It shouldn’t have fooled any decent musician.

It is considering that every single Part other than what we play as inconsequential that lessens us as musicians. No matter if it’s an arranger or a real band, what THEY play is as important as what we do.
Posted by: cgiles

Re: My new PSR-3000 video - 07/18/22 02:03 PM

My favorite Biblical quote: "There is none so blind as he that WILL not see".

chas
Posted by: bruno123

Re: My new PSR-3000 video - 07/18/22 11:54 PM

So that I am not misunderstood: Kabinopus is one of my favorites. I love the way he plays, and how he expresses himself.

The purpose of my post is to share my opinion, hoping that I might add another dimension to his playing. I get that way when I care for someone. The title might be; How I program/use, my Yamaha Sx900.

John C.
Posted by: Kabinopus

Re: My new PSR-3000 video - 07/19/22 02:16 AM

Bruno123 No worries, John, I always appreciate your contribution. I think, the genres you play are both the most suitable and most sophisticated for arrangers. Music doesn't really get old, it just passes the test of time.
Posted by: bruno123

Re: My new PSR-3000 video - 07/19/22 04:38 AM

PROGRAMMING MY SX900

I played guitar professionally for about 50 years. I gathered an ocean of knowledge in chords, chord progressions, and chord substitution. I used that knowledge when I moved to an arranger keyboard.

My left hand is very important, it tells the keyboard where to go – and more. When singing, or playing an instrumental, a song the time you play it as written. The second time you improvise. You play what you are feeling; without losing the melody of the song. Here is where chord knowledge takes over. (left hand)
G7 to C major is played – Dm7 G7 Db7 C major6. Your right hand follows what the left hand created.

What you are playing belongs to you, you do not fall into all sounding the same.
There is a short study available on the subject.

EX. Left hand is playing C7. Your fight hand knows the notes you are playing, so when it plays these notes they agree.
You also know the possible substitutions that are possible for C7. C7-9, C7+5. They are only the beginning.

This method is not used with all types of music.
EX. Rock Around the Clock.

There are Jazz players who used scales – when they are playing, you have no idea what song it is. I was playing a job with a sax player. The first tune was in the key of F major. The second song was also in the same key --- (he improvised with scales) In the middle of the song he asked me what song were we playing.

This is the first step in sounding like a band and not a keyboard; there is more.
John C.
Posted by: travlin'easy

Re: My new PSR-3000 video - 07/19/22 01:24 PM

Diki, after I went solo, only one band member continued to perform on stage. The others became home players other than the times we got together as friends and jammed for a few hours, which was usually about once a month at my home. The one that continued to perform on stage performed about once a month at most. I, on the other hand, performed 7 days a week, and often did doubles and a few triples. I managed to make a damned good living at being a musician/entertainer. I was the guy in the band that booked the jobs, kept the books, owned the PA system(s), took care of the equipment repairs, etc..., which is what a good business person does. For the most part, to the other players, being in a band was just something they did for recreation and having fun with old friends.

As for the intros, well, the vast majority of good arranger keyboard players that I knew played their own intros, though there were some canned intros that were song specific that pretty much introduced the song, thus urging the dancers in the crowd to get on the dance floor. I always figured I was playing for the ladies, which proved not to be the case. Some of the biggest tippers were folks vacationing in the Florida Keys and for the most part were men. And, some were trained musicians. I was working every night, and they managed to work one day a week on the weekends, mainly because music, which they trained for at locations such as Peabody in Baltimore, didn't pay enough to support their family. They were great players, piano, guitar, etc, but they never approached music as a business. To them, it was an expensive hobby, which is the case for most members of this forum.

As you are well aware, I thoroughly enjoyed playing music, but from day one, I looked at music as a business and way to support my family. I was never a purist, even when I played solo guitar and sang to an audience. The very first time I encountered a duo performing with an arranger keyboard and the other person, a 12-string guitar, I took note of everything they did. They were very popular in the Baltimore Metro Area, booked solid, and charged top prices, which at the time, for nite clubs and restaurants, was $150 for a 4-hour performance on weekends and $100 for weekdays. Now, that was a very long time ago, but the pay scales in those locations has not changed very much, and damned sure has not kept up with inflation. I chose to go the senior circuit, which paid me a living wage, better hours, no long commutes and new locations opening up nearly every month. Yes, I did it for the money!

Diki, for the most part, people that go somewhere to listen to small bands and OMB performers go there to be entertained. By and large, the folks in the audiences are not highly skilled or professionally trained musicians, however, they have likely been enjoying listening to music for majority of their lives. Otherwise they would not go to those places. Most of the time, they listen music on the radio while driving to an from work, on TV, attend concerts, go to bars and restaurants where they have some form of musical entertainment they prefer listening to. They really don't give a tinkers damned if you are a professional musician that has been trained at an institution that specialized in this field of endeavor. It makes little of no difference to them if you play your music on a Steinway or a Korg, just as long as it's well played and entertaining. You, of all people should be well aware of this. The bar and restaurant owners are keenly aware of the value of having good ENTERTAINERS at their place of business, and how much more each individual is willing to spend because of the entertainment. They know that if those chairs are filled with folks that came to dine, they tend to stay much longer, buy more of those overpriced drinks and for the most part, spend more money during their outings.

I came to this forum, the General Arranger Keyboard Forum, to learn from others that treated music as a business while playing an arranger keyboard. I didn't come here to be entertained or to improve my musicianship, though it has been entertaining at times to be here. I came to learn about the inner working of an arranger keyboard, a task that I took very seriously. Additionally, I went on the road, traveling thousands upon thousands of miles to watch these individuals perform. I traveled from Maine to the Florida Keys, west to Texas and up the center of the US stopping in every location where someone was performing with an arranger keyboard to a paying audience. I sincerely believe that I learned more from DNJ, Uncle Dave, Don Mason, Eddie Shoemaker, Bob Lee, Jimmy McKinney, Bill In Dayton, Fran Corango and a huge number of others that were NOT professionally trained musicians than I could have ever learned from those that claimed they were.

My only regret was that I didn't spend more time with my wife and children, sailing and fishing in Chesapeake Bay and the nearby offshore waters of the mid-Atlantic Ocean. I still get to see my daughter nearly every day and evening, but that is in conjunction of taking care of my wife and her debilitating medical conditions. My son lives about 2 hours away, and we get to see them once or twice a month, but my love of boating has kept him exploring the waters of Chesapeake Bay with his family and enjoying the outdoors. And, while he is a fantastic musician, he does not depend upon music for a living. He has a wife and 3 step-daughters to support.

Finally, Chas and I only agree on one thing - need I not say more. wink

All the best,

Gary cool
Posted by: cgiles

Re: My new PSR-3000 video - 07/19/22 03:08 PM

Gary, you're right about one thing; we certainly don't agree on much, especially musically and politically. But let's just stick to music. Based on your last post, you view music as a business and have no desire to improve as a musician. I view music as an art form that demands a lifelong commitment to improving one's creative and performance skills. You measure 'success' by how much money you can make via small amounts x high gig volumes (frankly, I don't know too many guys that enjoy working 7 days/week). I view 'success' by the quality of the art you are able to create. However, there is no reason both goals can't be realized. With modest talent, mediocre performance skills, but good business skills, one can make a modest living, but with real talent and performance skills derived from years of hard work and dedication to the art (and sometimes a little luck smile ), one has the POTENTIAL to make a fantastic living. In the end it's just a matter of what's important to you. Me, I feel blessed that I can feel things that I KNOW others can not. Whether that's shaped by whatever life has thrown at you or it's just in the DNA (I don't really believe that), I can't say, but as the old Duke Ellington song goes, 'It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing'.

chas
Posted by: travlin'easy

Re: My new PSR-3000 video - 07/20/22 08:55 AM

Duke was a pretty smart guy!

Chas, I began playing a piano at age 5, but was never very proficient at it. I picked up a guitar at age 12, learned a bunch of chords, mostly full chords - not bar chords, then managed to learn a bunch of bar chords, developed several picking styles for songs I enjoyed playing and discovered I had the ability to sing in tune.

Over the years, I managed to learn more songs that I enjoyed playing and discovered that my ability to sing and play continued to improve. I never really looked at music as an art form, and to be honest, I really only know of a few individuals, such as yourself, that do look at it that way. I don't think that Liberace considered it an art form, though he was probably the best piano player in the world at the time, and looked at music as an entertainment business venture. Ferrante & Teicher were my entertainment heroes when I was in my early 20s, and they made a fortune creating show tunes, playing light versions of classical music and later developed the most incredible stereo recording system using 2 separate studios a block apart in New York, City. The sounds were absolutely amazing.

In my case, a radio station manager happened to be dining at a restaurant where I was performing on night, he approached me and asked if I had ever considered a career in live broadcasting. I said I had never thought about it, and we set up an audition for the following afternoon. He had me read news from a yellow sheet that had just come off a teletype machine, and when I finished, he made me an offer I could not refuse. I didn't stop playing music, though.

A couple months later, I got offers to do voice-overs for automobile dealers and because the pay was so high, I decided to expand on my vocal abilities by taking a course at the local community college called "Voice And Articulation" which was taught by a popular, Baltimore area Jazz singer. I learned a lot and put it into good practice, not only for doing voice-overs and news casts, but additionally, to improve my singing vocals. So, in some respects, I guess you could call those vocals an art form, but I also looked at it more from a business aspect. Kinda like the local portrait painter that paints portraits of your family and makes a damned good living doing so. smile

Now, I never hit it big on stage, never quite got to a 6 figure income as an musician/entertainer, but during the many decades I was on stage, I enjoyed every minute. I had lots of fun playing and singing to my varied and diverse audiences, met some wonderful people, and similar to Captain Russ, made a few business contacts in related fields of endeavor.

Even during the 15 years I spent working in Cardio-Pulmonary Medicine, I still managed to find time to play music, mostly at private parties, and spend time in the outdoors with my wife and children. I didn't sleep much back then, burning the candle at both ends, I was a skinny kid when I was in my 20s and 30s, weighing just 145 pounds and 6 feet tall, but I considered every day a fun day, and some just more fun than others, especially when I had a music job, or could take the wife and children fishing.

Now, I truly consider you to be a very accomplished player and have the ability to create some incredible music, though I think I may have only heard you perform a half-dozen times over the years. I don't know if you have ever performed on stage, or not, though I recall you may have said something about performing in a group or small band at one time. And, I believe we have a few more things in common in that we were both in the US Navy, you much longer than myself. I only spent 4 years in the "Canoe Club", nearly all of which were aboard the USS Newport News (CA-148) and visited a huge number of countries. Back then, they called those voyages as "Good Will Tours." HA! A bunch of drunken sailors looking to find a loose lady on shore and drinking till they can barely stand upright really doesn't sound like a good will tour. wink

So, when you have time to sit down at your B3 or arranger keyboard and be creative, be sure to record your artwork and post it here so this hack, arranger keyboard entertainer can enjoy it as well. I really enjoy listening to your music.

All the best,

Gary cool
Posted by: cgiles

Re: My new PSR-3000 video - 07/20/22 12:24 PM

Gary, I mean no disrespect but house painting, private garbage collection, lawn maintenance, dog walking, in fact, practically anything can be a business. None of these things reflects the expression of feelings and emotions, the innate requirements of things like pitch and timing (rhythm), or the harmonic interplay that gives music it's sonic signature. This is my view of music which makes it difficult for me to view it as just 'a business'. Sure, it may be a major component in variety of businesses, but it itself is NOT a business (in my view). Of course this attitude that (for you) 'music is a business', would make you not a musician but a businessman. But even so, doesn't a successful business have an obligation to produce the best possible product, or is it 'profit first, product be damned'?

On the other thing, yes, I've played semi-professionally (ie. never full time) for the last 50 years until I retired from playing publicly about 3-4 years ago. I've stayed active (for fun) with some local retired and semi-retired professionals.

Equipment wise, I have finally outgrown 'gas' attacks (well, as soon as I get my digital piano smile ) and mostly spend my fun playing time on my Crumar SEVEN (with my grandson on guitar or sax). Enjoyed your last video although it made me a little sad. Have a good day.

chas
Posted by: cgiles

Re: My new PSR-3000 video - 07/20/22 12:41 PM

Originally Posted By travlin'easy

So, when you have time to sit down at your B3 or arranger keyboard and be creative, be sure to record your artwork and post it here so this hack, arranger keyboard entertainer can enjoy it as well. I really enjoy listening to your music.

All the best,

Gary cool


Gary, I recorded and posted this JUST FOR YOU. I'll repost it in case you missed it. Hint....it ain't that great smile , I screwed up the ending. It's an oldie called 'THERE'LL NEVER BE ANOTHER YOU'. Sounds best on studio monitors or phones.


https://app.box.com/s/mk61ey59ixf93sg5msbpd8f1binr1lgy

chas
Posted by: Diki

Re: My new PSR-3000 video - 07/20/22 02:30 PM

So let me get this straight, Gary… you played for a while in a band that, other than you, was neither good enough nor keen enough on music that anyone other than you continued in the profession. Then you also admit that you weren’t really proficient on keyboards or guitar. But fortunately, arrangers arrived on the scene in time for you to do a solo act that requires little skill other than singing and entertaining.

Fair enough, Gary. However, let’s be straight. This isn’t the experience of most pro musicians. Most pro musicians start out playing with players that are far better and more experienced than they are, and learn what a joy that is, and learn to appreciate these more skilled players, and do their level best to improve to at least their level. I feel sad that this wasn’t how your path into playing professionally happened. But it does explain a lot about your attitude towards musicians that aren’t in love with arrangers. It rather sounds like you don’t really have a base of experience to draw from to compare them to. At least, never one that seriously outperformed an arranger!

Your early performing days seem to have soured you on playing with others, and I can’t tell you how sad that makes me feel. You were robbed.

No one gives a rats how much they make as a musician if they ARE a musician. Seems like it is a your primary motivation, and no doubt if you didn’t land a steady entertainer gig, you would have happily joined the rest of your early bandmates rarely ever playing, maybe a bit at home as a hobby. But please don’t project your experience on those of us that DO love music, DO love it played at a higher level than an arranger can provide, and do realize that the arranger has a LONG way to go before it is better than even average musicians.
Posted by: travlin'easy

Re: My new PSR-3000 video - 07/20/22 02:32 PM

Chas, it sounded great to me, including the ending. Ironically, I used to perform that song, but using a style that mimicked The Seekers rendition. I never recorded it, though, but I recall at the time using the PSR-2000 arranger keyboard and a 3rd party style that I obtained from the PSR Tutorial forum. To be honest, I think I liked your jazz rendition of the song better than the original. smile For me it was a difficult song to perform, mainly because back then, the only vocal harmonizer was the onboard harmonizer of the keyboard, which had a terrible lag time of nearly a second from the time it was triggered with the foot switch until it kicked in.

Thanks for posting this one again,

Gary cool
Posted by: cgiles

Re: My new PSR-3000 video - 07/20/22 04:47 PM

Gary, you may be mistaking this song for the folk tune 'I'll never find another you' by the Seekers. A fine folk tune but definitely not the same song.

chas
Posted by: ekurburski

Re: My new PSR-3000 video - 07/20/22 06:07 PM

Sorry Chas,and DIKI but I think you guys are really beating a dead horse with your arguments. Quite frankly the requirment to be cival to each other has ignored the truth about each of your arguments. I would remind you that no one on these forums has reached the level of success you would expect from someone who has devoted themselves as much as you both have. I don't know of any tours or record deals. Sorry but maybe no one here is good enough to put someone else down for seeing music as a business & making a decent living with it. I for one agree with Gary's point of view on this one!
Posted by: bruno123

Re: My new PSR-3000 video - 07/21/22 03:37 AM

Chas, your impro is good, nice balance, good recording.

I have a different view on presenting a song with impro.
1-First time through, play exactly the way the song was written.
2-The second time impro.

My opinion is we add what we are feeling, but not enough to bury the song. I believe we should we should add to the original. It is very much like a Christmas tree; after you decorate it, it is still a Christmas tree.

In the Jazz clubs I went to, if I missed the them playing the song the first time through, I had no idea what song was.

Chas, I enjoyed your recording, but it was confusing. If you did not write the title, I might not have known what song it was.

Only my opinion, John C.
Posted by: cgiles

Re: My new PSR-3000 video - 07/21/22 05:51 AM

Originally Posted By bruno123

Chas, I enjoyed your recording, but it was confusing. If you did not write the title, I might not have known what song it was.

Only my opinion, John C.


And I value your opinion John, but if you didn't recognize the song from the intro and first 'play-through', then I have to assume that you don't know the song. The entire first chorus was about as 'straight' as one would play a jazz tune. I also ended it the same way. I've provided a few examples below to help familiarize you with the tune (along with a tutorial on the chord changes). Enjoy. Remember, 'jazz' represents freedom; freedom to interpret, express, play, a tune any way you like (within commonly accepted guidelines). That's probably why there are so many sub-genre's of jazz. That's why no two jazz musicians will ever play a tune exactly the same way. I encourage you to listen to as many of the examples below as you can. We can all learn from listening to others. Have a great day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kh_NnsbIqNQ&ab_channel=boesjazz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZTq0siU3Ik&ab_channel=ElianeEliasOfficial

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBnd5070WkU&ab_channel=FrankVignola

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qEZ3bpCoMk&ab_channel=UnlimitedMyles

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Til3lV_ItZE&ab_channel=ozcar30000

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjE2IRz3kd8&ab_channel=StanGetz-Topic

chas
Posted by: travlin'easy

Re: My new PSR-3000 video - 07/21/22 10:15 AM

You are correct, Chas - I thought it was another song - my mistake.

Gary cool
Posted by: cgiles

Re: My new PSR-3000 video - 07/21/22 10:21 AM

No problem Gary, they're both classics. Ain't music grand?

chas
Posted by: montunoman

Re: My new PSR-3000 video - 07/21/22 03:26 PM

Great playing Kabinopus. Does the pedal control the sax bends? That's pretty cool!
Posted by: montunoman

Re: My new PSR-3000 video - 07/21/22 03:36 PM

Chas, I recognized "There Will Never Be Another You" within the first couple notes. I think anyone familiar with the tune would. Anyways, very enjoyable rendition of an old classic.
Posted by: Kabinopus

Re: My new PSR-3000 video - 07/23/22 02:57 PM

You have discussed a lot in this topic :-)

Gary, thanks for clarifying that you replaced the buttons on S950. I had some of buttons replaced as well, now I see that it would've been a better idea to replace them all. I don't have friends like you do :-)

Paul, yes, I've been using a foot controller as a pitch bend for years; an actual wheel (joystick) isn't really usable when you have to play chords all the time.

As some of you may already know, I got my SX900 back, fixed (for now)...

I've been saying a lot about EPianos which I like on SX900, here's one of them in my new video.



https://youtu.be/IEURBru0dus

What you see is actually a Russian competitor of "Google Maps". You can see streets, or look down from "air balloons"; I've been studying my country lately using this service and wanted to show it to you. If you care to try it, here's the link: http://maps.yandex.ru

My PSR-3000 is back in the bag, and SX900 is ready to play... Should I switch them back? Not sure...
Posted by: cgiles

Re: My new PSR-3000 video - 07/23/22 03:35 PM

Very pretty classic 'Rhodes" chords. Love the progressions, very jazz 'fusion-ish'. That's a great sounding Rhodes-type sound on that SX900, as good or better than some dedicated Rhodes-clones I've heard. Volumes are well balanced across the keyboard - good full 'bottom' and just the right amount of 'bell tone' on top. Excellent chord choices to showcase the Rhodes sound and feel. Very nice.

Also, apologies for hijacking this thread earlier.

chas
Posted by: Kabinopus

Re: My new PSR-3000 video - 07/24/22 02:28 AM

Thank you, Chas, glad that you liked it. Indeed, Yamaha usually does a good job adjusting each sample, that makes the instrument playable and fun to use. My Roland Juno DS has a lot of nice sounds, but altogether it's not as smooth, it creates some tension. When I was younger, I thought that Rhodes was a thing of the past, now I realize how rich and flexible this sound is. Perhaps if I ever have a chance to play the real thing... Well, then we'll see. Sometimes it takes time to appreciate things for what they are.

No problem with "hijacking", it keeps the forum more alive :-)