PSR styles vs Band in a box

Woody does an incredible job showing of these 2 in a contest..
Great comments too

Well the PSR sounds way softer and less realistic, its more like an amateur band that doesn’t play much together so are very loose sounding.

BIAB sound like a group of tight knit musicians that really enjoy working together and become as one.

Bill

I do agree with you...
Wouldn’t it be great if you could run band in a box, and/or a DAW on a Wersi OAX?

Great find Bachus! I own them both and am glad I do. I have been a BIAB addict since they started the product long ago. PG Music has some phenomenal programmers and of course they bring in some great "Guest artists" to create those lovely RealTracks. I sent them a note and asked them to please bring in Beegie Adair for some comping.... ha ha… never know. Each year when I upgrade, I give a silent salute to the team that keeps this train chuggin' down the tracks! Love BIAB (and SX900).

Thanks for this Woody. I realize I really need to spend more time with BIAB. One of my big complaints has always been not being able to play BIAB in real time. I am beginning to understand I can't really play an arranger in real time without spending a great deal of time "arranging" my tune with registrations, ect.

BIAB with its Real Tracks sounds so much better than the arranger so why not use it?

Hi Randy,
what are you using for the midi sounds, a soft synth or one of your keyboards.

Have had no luck using sx900, no matter what setting I try my midi drums default to piano sound, or violin. Tried XG setting.

Only mode I actually get drums is if I set I set biab to GS, and then I can’t access the rest of the sx900 sounds.

So hoping one of my settings might be incorrect.

As far as I am aware Yamaha still follow their own XG mapping system, (The first 128 voices follow the GM standard) also a lot of Yamaha’s (Not sure about the latest) use channel 16 for drums rather than the normal channel 10.
Not sure if the above will help, but may be worth looking at.

Bill

If it's not real time. may as well do full sequencing, then you really get PRO results...Use any virtual instrument sets you want.
Me I like real time....that's why I never got BIAB.

But I'm just an old organ player.

Hi Bill,
it’s really weird what is happening, I thought I used it years ago with my psr1500, maybe I’m mistaken.

I’ll give what you suggested a try, didn’t occur to me to try a different channel.

Even pg forums suggestions didn’t help.

At least I can use it in gs mode, and the drums work, but, once biab sends out that gs message, the program changes for factory banks aren’t recognised.

I’ll let you know if it works.

This is the advantage of a full Audio Style with melodic insturments and not just Audio Drums, and the simple poor and outdated midi styles... This is my opinion...
However with BIB we can not play real time chord changes with Real Tracks/Audio Tracks...
Yamaha has a proprietary patent for full Audio Styles (with melodic instruments) however she holds it for herself...
There is a try from me in this video for a Audio Style with Audio Drums (Rex files), Audio Percussions (Rex Files), and a chanel with Audio Guitar... Its a my private patent for more realism...
I hope in the future to released all this elements from Yamaha and more companies...

Sounds really good. Nice work.

Bernie

If you want audio styles get a Ketron as they have had them for donkey’s years, they were also one of the first to add audio drums (Wersi was the other) in around 2000.
Yamaha were really late to the party (And other manufactures haven’t bothered) and were not very successful, hence they were dropped on the Genos and new PSR range. (Although you can still play them on the new boards)
As to holding back, it’s more like they want to forget about it as they fell well short of the competition.
Keep up the good work though, as it nice to see someone thinking outside the box for a change.

Bill

Hi Bill,
unfortunately still no luck.
Think I’ll just stay with the GS sounds on the sx900 or go back to my soft synths.
Thank you.

Hi Rikki - sorry for the delay - I have not tried using MIDI on BIAB... I just rely on the RealTracks. Love those things. I have used the VSTs on occasion, but it's much simpler for me to just select everything from the RealTracks menus.

I do play a lot of MIDI files on the SX900 and they work great. I'm wondering if the PGMusic driver or specific Patch Map could have anything to do with it? Here is a link to the PG Patch Maps for various keyboards - do not see one specifically for SX900.

BIAB Patch Maps

I do not have BIAB configured yet to run w/the SX900 but will see if I can get a MIDI file to work... In the meantime, enjoy that SX900!

Dear Abacus,
I want to thank you for your kind and motivating words.
However .. I don't know if were aware, but I worked for Ketron for two years(New Audio Styles and Beta User) as well as working with my good friend AJ on AJamsonics Projects developing some new Audio Styles ..
Even today, my favorite is the Ketron Audya, and the Ketron Audya 5, which are still in my possession and I commonly make use of them in my work.
As you correctly stated, Ketron with Audya launched Audio Styles with great success, ever since 2007 for the first time at the Frankfurt Messe…
But ... Unfortunately, Ketron, apart from Audya, has never done anything more creative with Full Audio Styles, such as User Audio Guitars or Audio Melodic Parts so that anyone who is interested and able to create can further expand this beautiful musical, creative experience.

There are also a lot of obstacles with Ketron for a creator, and this is not related to Audio Styles, but to the very poor Sampler environment which even today the only thing we have (in SD9, SD60) is up to 3 Mono Multisamples Velocity layers, and Mono Drums Samples…
Yamaha on the other hand, although it has many creative limitations, nevertheless has a great sound engine that doesn't really restrict anything to do with Velocity Layers, or whether Samples are Mono or Stereo, though werecently discovered that there is a limited number of Samples even though Ram increased (to Genos), to 3giga with Version 2.0.
But this non-limiting property led me to discover many hidden secrets. It also led me to build some of my own Audio Guitars, (even from my favorite Audya), where there are some limitations.
At some point I'll upload a full demo with the Audio Guitars I've built ...
Here's just a small demo with Audya's Audio Guitar on Genos for my personal use.

Sokratis 1974 thanx for sharing your work...
I really enjoyed listening ...
well done.....
would it be possible to go back and add a Jazz Flute, or maybe an Acoustic Nylon guitar,
or Breathy Tenor Sax lead melody track over the top as I though it was just screaming for that......
anyway please keep sharing it certainly made my
morning wake up a happy one!!

take care

You are right dear Dnj...
Maybe in a future demo!!..Its a informal demo...
Thank you very much!!..

Your very welcome ....just my opinion when listening....
shouldn't be difficult to add a lead melody tracks experiment
and have fun.

again Thank you for shearing your work..

Hi Randy,
for me at the moment it’s more of a case it being annoying that I couldn’t get it to work.
Actually have a patch map for the sx someone over on psr forum did one for cakewalk, and I converted it across to biab. Also tried a few of the other Yamaha ones as well. No luck.

I read somewhere that biab works best with GS , so may just stick with the GS sounds on the sx. In GS mode, drums, sounds work perfectly.

I have mine set up with soft synths also, idea behind that was , if I change keyboards, I don’t have to tweak the songs / styles again to suit a new keyboard.

Should stick to my initial plan. Haha.