Chord Looper Limits...?

Posted by: Dnj

Chord Looper Limits...? - 11/16/19 11:13 AM

How many chords may be added to each "memory slot" of a bank?

"A Yamaha Chord Looper CLD file is a Type 0 Standard MIDI File. To take a quick look inside, rename the CLD file with the ".MID" file extension and then open the file in Mixmaster or Cubase. Not all DAWs support Yamaha XF events, so SONAR, for example, will not work. (SONAR ignores Yamaha XF Meta Events.)

The chord sequence is stored as a series of Yamaha XF Meta Events. See the Genos Data List PDF page 115 for the definition of the "Chord Name" event. See the definition of the System Exclusive "Chord Control" message for the chord root and type encoding.

Since the CLD file is an SMF, it should be possible to store as many chords as you want. Of course, there is probably some practical limit because internal memory is finite...

The chord looper feature looks to be a lot more powerful than I'd thought when I first heard about it. Being able to store 8 sets of chord sequences in a bank will let you effectively set up the backing track for verse, chorus, bridge etc separately and assemble a song on the fly as the mood takes you, while freeing up the left hand for bends, live control, etc. I think it is very interesting.

Together with the extra 1.2GB expansion memory, this update seems to deliver a lot more than the last one.

the chord sequencer is absolutely fantastic and can be stored into registrations also, which makes the chords sequences almost unlimited during performance.
I've set Assignment knobs E and F to record loop and play loop and set the chord looper screen to a tab on the main screen. It's absolutely perfect that way.

I was thinking of making a repository of all common chord progressions. I could name them using the Nasville Number system, 1-4-5, 1-6-5-4, etc, all in the same key. Then all you have to do is import the appropriate progressions for any song into a bank, transpose to the applicable key, and play. Does this make any sense at all?"

Source Psr Tutorial genos forum...
Posted by: Dnj

Re: Chord Looper Limits...? - 11/16/19 11:35 AM

Would love to hear from all Genos,SX,Korg, Roland etc,etc,..
players on how they will use their Chord looper/sequencer
playing live or in studio, recording, too?..
Posted by: Fran Carango

Re: Chord Looper Limits...? - 11/16/19 12:00 PM

When I used the chord sequencer on the G1000, I used it to write songs for a customer.. He would give me a melody line and chords.. I entered the chords into the chord sequencer.. Now I could select any style to fit the intended feel of the new song. When I found what I was looking for, I did a midi capture (recorded midi). And if needed I could edit in the 16 track sequencer.


I never liked to use the chord sequencer live. Newer Roland keyboards have excellent piano mode that follows full keyboard (3 or more notes to change chord.. 5 or more notes if you use sustain pedal).
No need to free up a hand because of chord recognition.

The second reason why chord sequence is not that important to me.. Band in a box can input chords to do the job I first described..

Hey it still is a great feature, and the expanded concept from Yamaha seems interesting... Just not important enough for me (or I would still have a BK9).
Posted by: rikkisbears

Re: Chord Looper Limits...? - 11/16/19 12:00 PM

Hi Donny,
after finally finishing sorting my style library, I started playing round with the chord looper yesterday.
I think it’s going to be brilliant.

Ok, so I’m not terribly accurate with playing chords, especially some complex ones. If I want to put a bit of chord sequence library together, it has to be accurate.

Obviously not a problem for seasoned players , but I haven’t actually played much in years, my hobby was style converting.

Anyway, there doesn’t appear to be any way of putting the chords in , in step time, so got my thinking hat on,( bit shabby nowadays, ) brought the old
XG Works sequencer software out of hibernation, ( I run it on an external USB thumb drive, as I haven’t been able to install it in any of my pc’s since windows 7) Anyway I think I have found a way of doing them in steptime. Chord loop sequence in 30 seconds.
So, all going well, this is going to be a brilliant function.
Posted by: Bernie9

Re: Chord Looper Limits...? - 11/16/19 12:38 PM

Leave it to you Rikki. You sure are a wily one.lol

Glad you guys are having fun with the new toy.

Bernie
Posted by: rikkisbears

Re: Chord Looper Limits...? - 11/16/19 01:19 PM

Originally Posted By Bernie9
Leave it to you Rikki. You sure are a wily one.lol

Glad you guys are having fun with the new toy.

Bernie


Sure am Bernie. Can’t help myself, Haven’t had this much fun since my PA 800. The korg forum couldn’t shut me up, page after page of what could be done on that great machine.
I’d finally figured a way to do step time for the korg Pa4x chord sequencer, and sold it. Haha. Oh well.
Posted by: Eric, B

Re: Chord Looper Limits...? - 11/16/19 03:46 PM

Originally Posted By Dnj
How many chords may be added to each "memory slot" of a bank?

"A Yamaha Chord Looper CLD file is a Type 0 Standard MIDI File. To take a quick look inside, rename the CLD file with the ".MID" file extension and then open the file in Mixmaster or Cubase. Not all DAWs support Yamaha XF events, so SONAR, for example, will not work. (SONAR ignores Yamaha XF Meta Events.)

The chord sequence is stored as a series of Yamaha XF Meta Events. See the Genos Data List PDF page 115 for the definition of the "Chord Name" event. See the definition of the System Exclusive "Chord Control" message for the chord root and type encoding.

Since the CLD file is an SMF, it should be possible to store as many chords as you want. Of course, there is probably some practical limit because internal memory is finite...

The chord looper feature looks to be a lot more powerful than I'd thought when I first heard about it. Being able to store 8 sets of chord sequences in a bank will let you effectively set up the backing track for verse, chorus, bridge etc separately and assemble a song on the fly as the mood takes you, while freeing up the left hand for bends, live control, etc. I think it is very interesting.

Together with the extra 1.2GB expansion memory, this update seems to deliver a lot more than the last one.

the chord sequencer is absolutely fantastic and can be stored into registrations also, which makes the chords sequences almost unlimited during performance.
I've set Assignment knobs E and F to record loop and play loop and set the chord looper screen to a tab on the main screen. It's absolutely perfect that way.

I was thinking of making a repository of all common chord progressions. I could name them using the Nasville Number system, 1-4-5, 1-6-5-4, etc, all in the same key. Then all you have to do is import the appropriate progressions for any song into a bank, transpose to the applicable key, and play. Does this make any sense at all?"

Source Psr Tutorial genos forum...


I love the new chord looper function.
Yes the possibilities are endless.
I have already several saved in registration for Solos.
Sometimes the chord progressions in a song are to fast. No time to lift my left hand to use the joy stick effectively for guitar solos.
Now all is well. smile
I can play the song live and when it's solo time I let the chord looper take over for a little while. Brilliant smile smile smile
BTW Donny.
I put the chord looper shortcut in the lower right corner of the screen to replace the "demo" shortcut which most of us don't need.
Plus I programmed the button "D" for start/Stop.
This is a feature I wanted for soooooo long.
Very happy now smile smile smile keys
Eric
Posted by: Dnj

Re: Chord Looper Limits...? - 11/17/19 03:13 PM

All good tips Eric I am gonna change the demo button also to chord looper great idea.. Thanx