Re: Anyone Playing the KORG EK-50 - 09/02/1909:40 AM
It is the operation procedures that are bad.. Having to hold down a button and pushing another for a change... and you need two hands to do it.. Try that while you are performing
Re: Anyone Playing the KORG EK-50 - 09/02/1909:43 AM
Originally Posted By Fran Carango
It is the operation procedures that are bad.. Having to hold down a button and pushing another for a change... and you need two hands to do it.. Try that while you are performing
Personally I disliked Roland arrangers for the TWO Push transpose and a few other things so they all have quirky navigational features but as us pros know there is always a workaround...just sayin..
Re: Anyone Playing the KORG EK-50 - 09/02/1910:33 AM
Does sound pretty good in the demo. Not full size keys as far as I can tell. As for button pushing I don't know how you guys make many changes while preforming. I like things all set up before I go. Good luck to whomever gets one. Good value to be sure.
Re: Anyone Playing the KORG EK-50 - 09/02/1910:40 AM
Originally Posted By Bill Lewis
Does sound pretty good in the demo. Not full size keys as far as I can tell. As for button pushing I don't know how you guys make many changes while preforming. I like things all set up before I go. Good luck to whomever gets one. Good value to be sure.
Hey Bill after using the Korg Micro Arranger keys these are full size lol As far as button pushing my fingers were always my strength and faster then any foot...... that why I dislike using pedals as less as I can maybe just a sustain or VH trigger two tops...
Re: Anyone Playing the KORG EK-50 - 09/02/1912:16 PM
Originally Posted By Dnj
Originally Posted By Fran Carango
It is the operation procedures that are bad.. Having to hold down a button and pushing another for a change... and you need two hands to do it.. Try that while you are performing
Personally I disliked Roland arrangers for the TWO Push transpose and a few other things so they all have quirky navigational features but as us pros know there is always a workaround...just sayin..
The EA7 has one-push transpose. Dedicated buttons very near the left hand, next to octave shift.
Re: Anyone Playing the KORG EK-50 - 09/02/1912:56 PM
Originally Posted By DonM
Originally Posted By Dnj
Originally Posted By Fran Carango
It is the operation procedures that are bad.. Having to hold down a button and pushing another for a change... and you need two hands to do it.. Try that while you are performing
Personally I disliked Roland arrangers for the TWO Push transpose and a few other things so they all have quirky navigational features but as us pros know there is always a workaround...just sayin..
The EA7 has one-push transpose. Dedicated buttons very near the left hand, next to octave shift.
Not all Roland's... Does the G70 have one touch transpose?
Re: Anyone Playing the KORG EK-50 - 09/02/1902:16 PM
Originally Posted By Fran Carango
Originally Posted By MusicalMemories
Doesn't the Ek50 have the same engine as the Pa50 / Micro Arranger ?
Exactly the same sound engine... they added the media audio player... problem is you can only have 99 songs in the folder.
99 songs?..Who cares when you use a laptop for Mp3 songs, lyrics, etc, ...and frankly the Pa50 series sound engine is really good if you know how to adjust the sound... just like my Micro arranger kb.. It's the player NOT the keyboard !!!.... I have heard many Genos/Pa4x players that even though they have the TOTL units much improvement is needed in their keyboard skills.. which is ALWAYS heard with your ears. Here's a few KORG Micro Arranger demos I made a long time ago out of the box..
Re: Anyone Playing the KORG EK-50 - 09/02/1903:06 PM
I'm very interested in the EK-50 myself. I'd love a battery powered KB for certain situation for sure. In fact I have the Korg Micro that I bought from Donny, it has served me very well, but I'm willing to trade it for a EK-50 if any one is game?
Re: Anyone Playing the KORG EK-50 - 09/02/1903:49 PM
Originally Posted By montunoman
I'm very interested in the EK-50 myself. I'd love a battery powered KB for certain situation for sure. In fact I have the Korg Micro that I bought from Donny, it has served me very well, but I'm willing to trade it for a EK-50 if any one is game?
Paul,....I'll let you know how it is, I too like that it is AC/& Battery powered if necessary.The M-Audio 49 key-station is gone. I have a KORG EK-50 coming here in a day or so. I'll try to do some more demos using the EK50 too.
Re: Anyone Playing the KORG EK-50 - 09/02/1904:25 PM
Originally Posted By Dnj
Originally Posted By montunoman
I'm very interested in the EK-50 myself. I'd love a battery powered KB for certain situation for sure. In fact I have the Korg Micro that I bought from Donny, it has served me very well, but I'm willing to trade it for a EK-50 if any one is game?
Paul,....I'll let you know how it is, I too like that it is AC/& Battery powered if necessary.The M-Audio 49 key-station is gone. I have a KORG EK-50 coming here in a day or so. I'll try to do some more demos using the EK50 too.
Why do I feel you are on a downward slope... You can't be a happy camper.. I thought the PA700 was a good move for you...
Re: Anyone Playing the KORG EK-50 - 09/02/1907:28 PM
The full-sized keys are a good thing, but in several important ways this EK-50 is inferior to the MicroArranger (and Pa50SD.) If I were in the market for an entry level, battery-powered keyboard, I would choose the Casio CT-X3000 over this. Better still, just drive a Roland BK-5 from an external power bank (i.e., laptop charger), and take my chances on voiding the warranty.
Re: Anyone Playing the KORG EK-50 - 09/03/1908:44 AM
Originally Posted By jingleman
Donny, With Don and Dave possibly getting an SX900, having your expertise in that group would only help us get up and running with our own SX900.
It seems that the new features on the 900 would give enough of a challenge to keep you busy for quite some time.
JM
Jingle NO Sx900 in my future sorry,...... I learned my lesson over and over again... I wish all who ordered one good luck. I hope to hear some great music posted from all of you down the road...
Re: Anyone Playing the KORG EK-50 - 09/03/1909:45 AM
...can not understand for the life of me why anyone would want this keyboard, I am convinced the PA50SD is better and its mini counterpart the Korg Micro Arranger at least as good. I agree with all though that the whole range of Korgs at the time, PA1X, PA80, PA60, PA50 and KMA are/were outstanding. If anyone in the USA is interested in the PA50SD rather than this new gadget, there are a few on Ebay USA, e.g. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Korg-Pa50-Professional-Arranger/233304682364?hash=item36520aef7c:g:W2kAAOSwG6pcvNuE&shqty=1&isGTR=1#shId
regards, John
P.S. Frans, begin er niet aan joh, kan je beter nog een PA50SD gebruikt komen m.i. !!!!!
Re: Anyone Playing the KORG EK-50 - 09/03/1909:54 AM
Originally Posted By john smies
...can not understand for the life of me why anyone would want this keyboard, I am convinced the PA50SD is better and its mini counterpart the Korg Micro Arranger at least as good. I agree with all though that the whole range of Korgs at the time, PA1X, PA80, PA60, PA50 and KMA are/were outstanding. If anyone in the USA is interested in the PA50SD rather than this new gadget, there are a few on Ebay USA, e.g. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Korg-Pa50-Professional-Arranger/233304682364?hash=item36520aef7c:g:W2kAAOSwG6pcvNuE&shqty=1&isGTR=1#shId
regards, John
P.S. Frans, begin er niet aan joh, kan je beter nog een PA50SD gebruikt komen m.i. !!!!!
John don't knock it till you try one...
the only arranger keyboard that excites me is the Ketron SD9... Maybe another road trip to Prince AJ's Lab is in my future for sure..
Re: Anyone Playing the KORG EK-50 - 09/03/1910:07 AM
Originally Posted By Dnj
Originally Posted By john smies
...can not understand for the life of me why anyone would want this keyboard, I am convinced the PA50SD is better and its mini counterpart the Korg Micro Arranger at least as good. I agree with all though that the whole range of Korgs at the time, PA1X, PA80, PA60, PA50 and KMA are/were outstanding. If anyone in the USA is interested in the PA50SD rather than this new gadget, there are a few on Ebay USA, e.g. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Korg-Pa50-Professional-Arranger/233304682364?hash=item36520aef7c:g:W2kAAOSwG6pcvNuE&shqty=1&isGTR=1#shId
regards, John
P.S. Frans, begin er niet aan joh, kan je beter nog een PA50SD gebruikt komen m.i. !!!!!
John don't knock it till you try one...
the only arranger keyboard that excites me is the Ketron SD9... Maybe another road trip to Prince AJ's Lab is in my future for sure..
Thanks Donny but I am okay with my PA1000, its added Musikant Stick and soon the new V3 Kommex module. ( I will keep you lot informed on that )
Thanks by the way for pointing out the offer on Mixcraft 8Pro, which is a fantastic program and DAW and includes 17 Synths as well as piano samples. Takes a bit of a learning curve but 80 bucks is really a steal for what you are getting......
Re: Anyone Playing the KORG EK-50 - 09/03/1910:23 AM
Originally Posted By john smies
Originally Posted By Dnj
Originally Posted By john smies
...can not understand for the life of me why anyone would want this keyboard, I am convinced the PA50SD is better and its mini counterpart the Korg Micro Arranger at least as good. I agree with all though that the whole range of Korgs at the time, PA1X, PA80, PA60, PA50 and KMA are/were outstanding. If anyone in the USA is interested in the PA50SD rather than this new gadget, there are a few on Ebay USA, e.g. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Korg-Pa50-Professional-Arranger/233304682364?hash=item36520aef7c:g:W2kAAOSwG6pcvNuE&shqty=1&isGTR=1#shId
regards, John
P.S. Frans, begin er niet aan joh, kan je beter nog een PA50SD gebruikt komen m.i. !!!!!
John don't knock it till you try one...
the only arranger keyboard that excites me is the Ketron SD9... Maybe another road trip to Prince AJ's Lab is in my future for sure..
Thanks Donny but I am okay with my PA1000, its added Musikant Stick and soon the new V3 Kommex module. ( I will keep you lot informed on that )
Thanks by the way for pointing out the offer on Mixcraft 8Pro, which is a fantastic program and DAW and includes 17 Synths as well as piano samples. Takes a bit of a learning curve but 80 bucks is really a steal for what you are getting......
regards. John
John I love Mixcraft 8 pro Daw... Use for everything.... If you need help with it just shout... Lots of great tutorials online also.... Great song... Good luck with your music.
Re: Anyone Playing the KORG EK-50 - 09/03/1911:35 AM
I already ordered one at Bax shop John It is exactly what i am looking for. A Great sounding keyboard without all the Bells and whistles I never use. I have the synths and workstations on my iPad for that. About the pa50, i had one but what a background noise had that thing.
Re: Anyone Playing the KORG EK-50 - 09/04/1902:55 PM
I know, Donny, that you are a very experienced and professional musician and singer. If I’m not mistaken, you had Korg Pa4x, and after that you tried a lot of less expensive keyboards. I guess, after Pa4x there’s only one way to go higher – it’s Genos; but quite a lot of options to go lower. Personally, I’m all for reasonable minimalism and openness to changes. But I picture that you might want to hear good sounds, like authentic pianos and electric pianos, strings, guitars, etc. As a musician, you would probably demand that styles would sound realistic, with solid bass and pleasant drums. These are the things, which Genos is designed to provide. While keyboards of lower ranges are designed in order to cost less, also, in order not to compete with TOTL (so they are deliberately spoiled in some ways).
I must say that I don’t really support Genos myself. In fact, I got something for myself recently, which is 1/5 of the price of a Genos; I plan to show it later. After all, it’s hard not to see Genos as an overpriced product, which is a little bit unfinished. The fact that Yamaha didn’t even paint some marks on knobs and sliders seems a bit aggressive. So I understand if you have some feeling of a protest. Also, it’s none of my business to question your financial priorities, I just remember you saying that money is not the reason why you are not buying it.
Despite the fact that Genos may be not the best value for money, in arrangers’ world it’s so far an unique package. I just can’t help thinking that you now treat keyboards as a reviewer — not a bad thing, just not sure if it is your initial intention.
Re: Anyone Playing the KORG EK-50 - 09/04/1903:49 PM
Originally Posted By DonM
I have tried to like Genos, but MUCH prefer my 4X. Ketron SD9 would rate right up there with those two.
I think the Genos sounds great in the videos I have seen and the features look terrific. It is just too much money unless you're a pro and can write it of or are rich and don't mind. I could never justify it-heck as a home player I can't really justify a PA900.
Re: Anyone Playing the KORG EK-50 - 09/05/1902:37 AM
That brings up an interesting question as to best sounding vs sound including other factors. My best sounding keyboard is my Audya 76. AJ explained that the reason is that there was not the compression found in later Ketron models. That being said, I, more often, take the Pa4X or the SK1/SD40 for the reasons of more functions and less weight. I always want the best sound, but at the expense of other considerations? Do the listeners know or care? I have to admit I feel better knowing that I have presented the best I can regardless of the difficulty of workarounds and set up. Sometimes I think I am just making things too difficult. On the other hand, unlike many of you, I am only playing two or three times a week.
Re: Anyone Playing the KORG EK-50 - 09/05/1903:35 PM
Originally Posted By Fran Carango
I notice you have a new avatar...
Oh yes good buddy.....things are changing very quickly. In short the Ek-50 sounded great and most of the basic go to sounds were quite usable, Piano, EP, Organ, Strings, Guitars, but when it gets to Brass,Trumpet,Synths, Pads etc if fell short to my ears... Where it really falls short is in the navigation which is a nightmare in many ways very "Casioish" is how I would explain it.... variations have to be double presses, sound and style changes using two hands was very awkward for sure,.... the menu system is strange to find things too...speakers are adequate, very light touch keybed, well lit display. But in the end after 15 minutes it was gone in a flash. Oh Well.
Re: Anyone Playing the KORG EK-50 - 09/05/1904:49 PM
Originally Posted By Dnj
Jingle NO Sx900 in my future sorry,...... I learned my lesson over and over again... I wish all who ordered one good luck. I hope to hear some great music posted from all of you down the road...
take care
That changed pretty quickly too ... Never say never ...
Re: Anyone Playing the KORG EK-50 - 09/06/1908:05 AM
Originally Posted By Dnj
Tony life is too short to dilly dally!
Just don't pull "a Donny" and shower this new board with adoration that befits a king, only to have it disappoint you later .... like ALWAYS. No one faults you for changing your mind - hell, we all do that, but you treat every new thing like it's the end-all, greatest thing ever, sing it from the rooftops, and swear that you're soooooo happy, and then realize that you still get bored. My take on YOU (as a great friend), is that it's time for a hobby that involves creativity, but not music. You're burned out. Try photography, or painting, or writing (just NOT HERE)
Take a poll of the Zoners, and I'll bet no one is surprised that you're jumping on the SX wagon. Frankly, it's more of a stretch that I'm on it, given my aversion to Yamaha keybeds. If the keys re not substantially better, I will not keep mine. I like the fact that they finally got with the touch-screen program, and it's black, with speakers, but if it feels like the mush of the past ... it'll be on the block in the first week. So, welcome to the club, my friend, but don't jinx it, by putting your rose colored glasses on as soon as you get yours. It's just a tool. Just a tool. Just a tool.
Re: Anyone Playing the KORG EK-50 - 09/06/1908:23 AM
Dave, .....I've been in the game too long,....simply said either I love it or out it goes with the rose colored glasses... and no one has to read my posts. It's only a keyboard.
Re: Anyone Playing the KORG EK-50 - 09/06/1909:43 AM
Originally Posted By montunoman
Donny, I’d still be interested on your ( short) experience with the EK 50, Did you like anything about it?
In short the Ek-50 sounded great and most of the basic go to sounds were quite usable, Piano, EP, Organ, Strings, Guitars, but when it gets to Brass,Trumpet,Synths, Pads etc if fell short to my ears... Where it really falls short is in the navigation which is a nightmare in many ways very "Casioish" is how I would explain it.... variations have to be double presses, sound and style changes using two hands was very awkward for sure,.... the menu system is strange to find things too...speakers are adequate, very light touch keybed, well lit display. But in the end after 15 minutes it was gone in a flash. Oh Well.
Re: Anyone Playing the KORG EK-50 - 09/11/1910:05 AM
FransN, at least Korg has dedicated buttons to mute tracks. Not sure about Casio. I can see how Donny expects an improvement by switching it to PSR-SX900, but would it be an improvement in case of CT-X5000 – well, this is how you’ll know it.
Sometimes I think that an option to send a keyboard back actually puts pressure to do it, while lack of such option puts pressure to get along with it and eventually make some use of it. Although there are sometime things hard to compromise, in that case such an option is a solution indeed.
Re: Anyone Playing the KORG EK-50 - 09/12/1904:02 AM
I played the Korg ek50 a few hours more yesterday this time with my headphones and what a difference. The sound is very good through the headphones much better then through the onboard speakers. So i decide to keep it. Kabinopus was right about the dedicated buttons Casio don’ t have these. I played today the Casio ct x5000 and although it sound nice especialy the piano sounds overall the Korg is much better. The keys are very good on the Korg for the money and remind me of the keys on the pa50. I love the way it can load styles from the pa50 and microarranger. For the money it is really a Great little keyboard with the Triton sound engine. Aged yes but still sound very good. I love the strings and pads on this thing.