Incredible talent with incredible beauty

Posted by: DannyUK

Incredible talent with incredible beauty - 08/14/19 01:30 PM

I haven’t been so mesmerised in a long time. It doesn’t get any better than this, does it ?




Posted by: Uncle Dave

Re: Incredible talent with incredible beauty - 08/14/19 10:58 PM

How is it when the sound is turned on?
smile
Posted by: Bernie9

Re: Incredible talent with incredible beauty - 08/15/19 01:27 AM

I finally turned it on and found it quite beautiful as well.
Posted by: spalding1968

Re: Incredible talent with incredible beauty - 08/15/19 01:56 AM

I think it’s quite depressing that a woman with so much obvious musical talent still resorts to selling her other talents to promote herself . It’s a smart promotion move yes . It got my attention ., but I knew something was wrong when my wife asked me what I was listening to 😳 . I got that sinking feeling that all husbands get when they know the tale has one inevitable ending no matter how you spin it ......... .
Posted by: DannyUK

Re: Incredible talent with incredible beauty - 08/15/19 02:41 AM

Originally Posted By spalding1968
I think it’s quite depressing that a woman with so much obvious musical talent still resorts to selling her other talents to promote herself . It’s a smart promotion move yes . It got my attention ., but I knew something was wrong when my wife asked me what I was listening to 😳 . I got that sinking feeling that all husbands get when they know the tale has one inevitable ending no matter how you spin it ......... .


Actually, I had originally posted two of her videos here but I removed the second one as I thought it may have been a little too revealing (or provocative !!). I do generally agree that there isn't a real need to reveal all "other" talents, just the musical one is more than enough to show her beauty as she is already naturally beautiful as well so she didn't require any extra amplification !!
Posted by: abacus

Re: Incredible talent with incredible beauty - 08/15/19 05:22 AM

Were not living in the 1920s, this is 2019 and video promotions like that are just the norm. (Stop living in the past and learn to embrace the modern world)

Bill
Posted by: spalding1968

Re: Incredible talent with incredible beauty - 08/15/19 06:39 AM

Abacus you don’t know me well enough to tell me to stop or start doing anything !

You can accept whatever standard of conduct or behaviour you think is acceptable to you . But you nor anyone is going to tell me that because times have become more permissive and debased in my opinion, that I too must go with the flow . That’s not the way I choose to live . Is free will still permissible in 2019 ...

Posted by: solomon8

Re: Incredible talent with incredible beauty - 08/15/19 03:03 PM

She is beautiful, and you only look like that once in life. She should enjoy her beauty. Her playing is wonderful. Classical music is a very competitive field. If her beauty gets her additional attention, then it is probably a good thing.
Posted by: spalding1968

Re: Incredible talent with incredible beauty - 08/15/19 11:25 PM

I respect your view and everyone is entitled to their own opinion for sure .

But since it’s just a discussion and an exchange of views, I would just question whether it’s her beauty or sexuality that is helping her ,and how that might not be a good thing in the long run in music business or any business for women if you want to be taken seriously.

And you are right . The classical music business is very competitive . So I guess we can expect to see more female impresarios taking their clothes off to be successful . That sadly puts a lot of pressure on women in the business to have to follow suit just to get noticed and each successive generation is likely to get progressively more extreme . Funny how classical male musicians seem to be able to keep their clothes on and be successful ......

But clearly if the aim is simply to make money or be successful however you define success, then it doesn’t matter what the consequences might be to her or the generation that follows her . I am not convinced that this is probably a good thing .

Again we are just exchanging views here . Not trying to hurt feelings or impose my views .
Posted by: abacus

Re: Incredible talent with incredible beauty - 08/16/19 12:10 AM

Originally Posted By spalding1968
I respect your view and everyone is entitled to their own opinion for sure .

But since it’s just a discussion and an exchange of views, I would just question whether it’s her beauty or sexuality that is helping her ,and how that might not be a good thing in the long run in music business or any business for women if you want to be taken seriously.

And you are right . The classical music business is very competitive . So I guess we can expect to see more female impresarios taking their clothes off to be successful . That sadly puts a lot of pressure on women in the business to have to follow suit just to get noticed and each successive generation is likely to get progressively more extreme . Funny how classical male musicians seem to be able to keep their clothes on and be successful ......

But clearly if the aim is simply to make money or be successful however you define success, then it doesn’t matter what the consequences might be to her or the generation that follows her . I am not convinced that this is probably a good thing .

Again we are just exchanging views here . Not trying to hurt feelings or impose my views .


Am I missing something here, where did she take her clothes off? (I have checked out her other videos (Including those she plays with orchestras) and I didn’t see it) also the dress style is what women have been wearing for decades in a large part of the world. (Whether they work in the music industry or not)

Bill
Posted by: spalding1968

Re: Incredible talent with incredible beauty - 08/16/19 05:19 AM

Double postv
Posted by: spalding1968

Re: Incredible talent with incredible beauty - 08/16/19 05:45 AM

Yes you are bill . Let’s leave it at that . I don’t wish to embarrass anyone as I know the original post was intended to be a lighthearted one and I am sorry I commented . Its 2019 after all ....
Posted by: Crossover

Re: Incredible talent with incredible beauty - 08/16/19 06:02 AM

In Germany, after security services instructed women to put on their tops while sunbathing at swimming areas at lakes and rivers, courts have decided that it is only requested to cover the genitals for both men and women. Which I find correct. Times have changed, equal treatment for men and women.
Posted by: Riceroni9

Re: Incredible talent with incredible beauty - 08/16/19 07:37 AM

It is ancient history in advertising and entertainment... that sex sells... at least grabs the attention of the viewer. I'm not sure it actually generates sales for the product.

The young lady (theme of this topic) is very attractive but I wonder if her performance on the piano has been highly edited?

I doubt if those "stiletto" heels contribute much to her playing ability.

Personally, I prefer to listen to the music or song only, without video, in order for the listening experience to be more intense... and only about the music.

Thanks for sharing.
Posted by: montunoman

Re: Incredible talent with incredible beauty - 08/16/19 10:00 AM

Interesting topic…. She is very attractive and plays great. I would say her outfit was pretty tame by pop music standards, but maybe a bit edgy for classical music. I did find the production of the video tried very hard, perhaps too hard, to focus on her sexuality ( as Dave Rice pointed out “sex sells”) This lead me to wonder if the video didn’t focus on her sexuality, would she have as many views? Would a less attractive women that played just as well or better receive the same amount of attention? Could a woman that choices to dress more conservatively and not have the focus of herself be so sexual, still be able to have a music career? There’s no question in mind that it isn’t easy being a women!
Posted by: DannyUK

Re: Incredible talent with incredible beauty - 08/16/19 10:15 AM

I really want to post another one of her videos that I think is possibly better than the original one I posted! But not sure what reception it would get !
Posted by: abacus

Re: Incredible talent with incredible beauty - 08/16/19 10:30 AM

14 Beautiful Female Classical Pianists

Posted by: DannyUK

Re: Incredible talent with incredible beauty - 08/16/19 10:36 AM

Sod it, I'm going to do it anyway, I think she plays this so well, and I am not even a fan of Queen:

Posted by: DannyUK

Re: Incredible talent with incredible beauty - 08/16/19 10:59 AM

Hi Bill,

Seen that one as well.. They are all amazing, and all beautiful too.
Posted by: DannyUK

Re: Incredible talent with incredible beauty - 08/16/19 11:01 AM

I've also been a big fan of Susan as well, she's fantastic:

Posted by: Mark79100

Re: Incredible talent with incredible beauty - 08/17/19 10:40 PM

Think about it. Would Liberace be just another pianist playing in the back room of a saloon if he didn't have his own gimmick...a Candlabra, and eventually his own eye-catching fashion wardrobe (not to mention the Rolls Royce on stage). Would Arnold Schwarzenegger ever have become a movie star or the governor of California if he didn't use HIS own gimmick (muscles) to get noticed? Whatever it takes to stand apart from the crowd is what you do. The only qualifier is you have to be selling a quality product! And, SHE certainly is!

Danny...thanks for posting this. I'm a great lover of Classical music and opera. This lady really impressed me, not with her appearance so much as her playing. Her interpretation and dynamism is incredible. She really added fire to that piece. If Chopin were around today, he would have awarded her a Nobel prize for piano playing talent. I watched the video more than a few times and then proceeded to watch her other videos. And then proceeded to read her biography. Very impressive!

Someone here mentioned a possible "edit." I picked up on something that made me wonder the same thing. Around the minute mark and at 01:42 (and at the end), she raised her pinky and ring finger unusually high. And her thumb goes up at 01:55. It's my understanding that a Classical pianist plays "runs" with EVERY finger laying on the keyboard i.e when using the 1st, 2nd, and third fingers, the 4 and 5 stay in position (lightly touching the keys...reason being that it takes less time to hit the note if the fingers are there already and NOT 2-3 inches in the air.

But....I'd have to go with "she's the real thing." She's all over the Internet. And her specialty is my three favorite composers: "noted for her interpretations of compositions by Chopin, Liszt and Rachmaninoff, visual performance, and piano transcriptions"

Lola Astanova on Wikipedia

For me, I wouldn't care if she came out dressed as an astronaut, her music is haunting and mesmerizing. I could listen to her play that Fantaisie Impromtu all day and Liszt's Hungarian Rhapsodie all night!
Posted by: bruno123

Re: Incredible talent with incredible beauty - 08/18/19 12:11 AM

We all agree that she is a talented piano player. But because of our morals we do not all agree of how she has presented herself, and that is very normal for the world we now live in.

John C.
Posted by: Mark79100

Re: Incredible talent with incredible beauty - 08/18/19 10:23 PM

As far as her appearance, I'm on the fence about that. I mean like it doesn't even border on SOFT porn. Just a very sensual video. I fault the videographer for the way he put it together. What was the point in showing her legs and feet (unless you're mimicking Quentin Tarantino with his foot fetish)? The video becomes a caricature as he tried too hard to put the whole thing over with sexual overtones. As for me, I'm somewhat of a purist....don't even want to see scenes like that in a movie!

There is more to this video than what has already been discussed. She triggered a thought in me that I've known for years, but often forget to do....PLAY WITH EMOTION. By coincidence I did that at the hospital where I play. It's boring just sitting there playing songs. One day last week, I decided to extricate myself from the boredom by PLAYING WITH EMOTION. There was such a difference in my sound that the receptionist, after my session, remarked that I "sounded extremely good today."

Using emotion to quickly learn or enhance anything is a principle used by motivational practitioners.
Example: if you want to learn a foreign language, don't just mindlessly go through the words. Say things like "thats'a sommmmme a meat-a-ball" and color the words.

But back to the video. Something else. Concert pianists sit upright (as in the movie Green Book). She's leaning forward. And...I'm noticing throughout the video that both sides of her hand go up and down on her "runs." That's rather unconventional for a concert pianist.

The sound doesn't match her playing when she hits each note. And the overall sound is a little TOO perfect, almost like it was done on a sequencer.

I still think she's the real thing but..does anyone else think the video was an editing feat of great magnificence?
Posted by: Bill Lewis

Re: Incredible talent with incredible beauty - 08/19/19 08:33 AM

I bet everyones heard the phrase "Sex Sells" so why the surprise. Its all showmanship in a difdferent way. Is Classical music off limits ? The girl can play so like someone said so could Liberace but what got him famous was his over the top showmanship.
I wish I had a hot female vocalist to work with. Opens many doors.
Posted by: spalding1968

Re: Incredible talent with incredible beauty - 08/19/19 03:57 PM

Originally Posted By Bill Lewis
I bet everyones heard the phrase "Sex Sells" so why the surprise. Its all showmanship in a difdferent way. Is Classical music off limits ? The girl can play so like someone said so could Liberace but what got him famous was his over the top showmanship.
I wish I had a hot female vocalist to work with. Opens many doors.


This will upset some people but it still needs to be said . That’s the problem right there . It objectifies women . Sex sells is not a surprise . The “hot female vocalist “ you would love to have has just become an object to use to open doors for you . Not her talent , not her intelligence ,not her innate value as a person . Her sexuality and erotic provocativeness is the head turner-and that has nothing to do with showmanship .

I am not a feminist by any means , but I have women I respect and love that I work with , or that are in my family and I am a father of a self confident and self respecting daughter, so I am curious , if it would be ok for you to think about your daughters , wives and sisters selling their sexuality to open doors for you for your economic gain ? There is a name for that in my country and yours and it’s not a pleasant name .....

But it’s 2019 . ....maybe it does not have the same connotations today ?
Posted by: abacus

Re: Incredible talent with incredible beauty - 08/20/19 12:03 AM

Originally Posted By spalding1968
Originally Posted By Bill Lewis
I bet everyones heard the phrase "Sex Sells" so why the surprise. Its all showmanship in a difdferent way. Is Classical music off limits ? The girl can play so like someone said so could Liberace but what got him famous was his over the top showmanship.
I wish I had a hot female vocalist to work with. Opens many doors.


This will upset some people but it still needs to be said . That’s the problem right there . It objectifies women . Sex sells is not a surprise . The “hot female vocalist “ you would love to have has just become an object to use to open doors for you . Not her talent , not her intelligence ,not her innate value as a person . Her sexuality and erotic provocativeness is the head turner-and that has nothing to do with showmanship .

I am not a feminist by any means , but I have women I respect and love that I work with , or that are in my family and I am a father of a self confident and self respecting daughter, so I am curious , if it would be ok for you to think about your daughters , wives and sisters selling their sexuality to open doors for you for your economic gain ? There is a name for that in my country and yours and it’s not a pleasant name .....

But it’s 2019 . ....maybe it does not have the same connotations today ?


Your statement would only be true if the women (Or other) was forced to dress sexually to achieve another person’s requirements, however in most cases it is the women’s choice of what she wears so unless you are one of those that try and deny women there freedom to do and wear what they want, then as I mentioned the statement is false. (I also suggest you get out over the weekend to the clubs and bars that youngsters (And older) frequent as you will see that this type of dressing is FREELY chosen by most of the women)
BTW: This is how it has been for decades, not just 2019.

Bill
Posted by: john smies

Re: Incredible talent with incredible beauty - 08/20/19 03:07 AM

....seems you guys from the UK are properly divided on this issue.....in other words BREXIT all over.....would not get my knickers in a twist over this dressing code here,regardless the question whether she is wearing any or not😊

regards
John
Posted by: abacus

Re: Incredible talent with incredible beauty - 08/20/19 05:36 AM

Originally Posted By john smies
....seems you guys from the UK are properly divided on this issue.....in other words BREXIT all over.....would not get my knickers in a twist over this dressing code here,regardless the question whether she is wearing any or not😊

regards
John


Holland is fairly unique as a lot of what goes on there (Legally) is illegal in many other countries in the world, (Including many in Europe) although haven’t there been some push to close down some of the famous Dutch areas by certain groups.
No comparison to Brexit (Which really does polarise people’s views) as while there are small parts of the country that are critical about dress etc. the vast majority of the country is liberal about it. (Let’s face it the Mini Skirt that the UK bought to market in the 60s was derided by a large number with slogans like This is immoral, Its exploitation, It shouldn’t be allowed, however the younger generation just gave them the finger (Actually it was 2 fingers in those days) and by the 70s was just an accepted norm. (Contrary to the stereotype Britain is not as reserved as made out)

Bill
Posted by: spalding1968

Re: Incredible talent with incredible beauty - 08/20/19 10:16 AM

Force has nothing to do with it bill . Harvey Weinstein did not force a single starry eyed young women to do anything but he is alleged to have taken advantage of willing participants and is not held up as one of America’s finest ....,but he did open some doors for women . Maybe he should be awarded something instead of vilified ?

I have been out on a Saturday night in Birmingham on broad street . I have seen how a lot of the women dress and the behaviour that often ( not always ) corresponds with their dress , in public right out there in the street ...the consequences the morning after etc.

In fact a lot of young and older men count on these young women’s style of dress and behaviour as indicators of what they are willing to do and that the men hope to get at the end of the night . Call it buying and selling signals .

And that’s the culture that you might be fine with it and we could discuss this all day .

But none of this has anything to do with how a professional female musician markets her music compared to her male counterpart.

Whether she objectifies herself voluntarily or feels it’s just another thing women need to do that men don’t have to , she is still objectifying herself and it follows legitimising the act which of course she is free to do but is that a good thing ?

I know I am out of step with a lot of folks on this discussion . But that’s just fine by me . Everyone has a right to their opinion .
Posted by: abacus

Re: Incredible talent with incredible beauty - 08/20/19 10:27 AM

Originally Posted By spalding1968
Everyone has a right to their opinion .


Absolutely

Bill
Posted by: Ketron_AJ

Re: Incredible talent with incredible beauty - 08/20/19 12:14 PM

I have one question that will put this matter to rest - regardless of which side of the fence you sit on.

Are there and equivalent videos of male piano players which focus heavily on the guy's shoes, arch on his back, and him rolling his hair here and there ... etc?

If the answer is 'yes', then it is fair (please post it too if you can find it). If the answer is 'no', well enough said.

PS: Before we go 'blaming' the artist, we may as well start off by 'blaming' the camera MAN (we know it was a man behind the camera, right) ... or wait a minute ... we are in 2019 and in these changing times, that could have been a woman too...
Posted by: DonM

Re: Incredible talent with incredible beauty - 08/20/19 12:23 PM

Well, there was Liberace! smile
Posted by: Bill Lewis

Re: Incredible talent with incredible beauty - 08/20/19 01:01 PM

Lachey Doley on the Hammond. Sort of a Jimi Hendrix of the keys. He gyrates and puts on a whole physical show while playing. Not my style but the guy can play.
And many many male artists who pranced and flaunted their whatevers to the girls in the audience. We're an old group but do you all remember Tom Jones. He had quite a collection of female undergarments on stage by the end of his shows.
Did thousands of girls show up and scream till they fainted for the Beatles or Elvis because they scored high on their SAT's or even for their talent ?
I could go on with more explicit examples but think about it. I'm not claiming whats right or wrong, thats up to you. I'm just stating thats the way it is. Think how how much $$$ she's making from hits on her YouTube videos ?
Its called Showmanship and sexuality sells in the entertainment industry.
Why are we even having this discussion LOL !
Everyone chill and go watch "The Fabulous Baker Boys" if you haven't seen it. Kind of hits close to home.


Spoiler
Two excellent pianists who are dying in the biz till they get the hot girl singer .
Posted by: spalding1968

Re: Incredible talent with incredible beauty - 08/20/19 11:37 PM

This is latchy doley https://youtu.be/-HkuI3EOBCk

He’s a hell of a fine musician but he could work on his sexual provocativeness . Perhaps he was wearing too much clothing ?

I could not find one clip of him half naked though and I got frightened searching for anything . .....it got to dangerous searching the internet for “sexy male organ players “ 😂.

Imagine how much money and success those dueling pianist would have made if they had got a whole stable of hot girls for people to be entertained by ?

Oh wait there is a name for that .... the same name I referred to earlier . Now imagine those hot girls as your sisters , your wives ...🤔

If you name all the great male piano players in history , how many of them used a hot woman to prop up their lack of commercial success ?

Now think of all the great female piano players , how many used a hot man to prop up their success . One group is being disproportionately exploited . Which one ...for the life of me I can’t work this one out ....
Posted by: abacus

Re: Incredible talent with incredible beauty - 08/21/19 12:46 AM

Spalding 1968

Unless something has changed in evolution since I went to bed, all the women you mention ARE somebody’s Wives, Partners & Daughters, they are just not as hung up about it as you. (Although no doubt you will claim otherwise)

Bill
Posted by: spalding1968

Re: Incredible talent with incredible beauty - 08/21/19 02:02 AM

Yes they are Bill they are somebody else’s wives ,sisters and mothers . There are many women who fit those roles as well as selling their bodies for men’s pleasure if they see fit .

But that’s not the question I posed is it ?

I asked the question specifically from a personal perspective because it changes the filter . How would you feel about employing your wife , your mother , your sister , your daughter as the “hot female singer , dancer or whatever “ to open doors for you or make you successful.

Actually don’t answer that . Thinking about it more carefully , i would rather not know your answer .
Posted by: Jerryghr

Re: Incredible talent with incredible beauty - 08/21/19 08:15 AM

David Foster, Andrea Bocelli on working with Lola.



Jerryghr
Posted by: Bill Lewis

Re: Incredible talent with incredible beauty - 08/21/19 09:20 AM

Great vid, fantastic talent. Oh yea she was good too, Her parents must be so proud computer
Posted by: Ketron_AJ

Re: Incredible talent with incredible beauty - 08/21/19 01:08 PM

Originally Posted By spalding1968
This is latchy doley https://youtu.be/-HkuI3EOBCk

He’s a hell of a fine musician but he could work on his sexual provocativeness . Perhaps he was wearing too much clothing ?

I could not find one clip of him half naked though and I got frightened searching for anything . .....it got to dangerous searching the internet for “sexy male organ players “ 😂.

Imagine how much money and success those dueling pianist would have made if they had got a whole stable of hot girls for people to be entertained by ?

Oh wait there is a name for that .... the same name I referred to earlier . Now imagine those hot girls as your sisters , your wives ...🤔

If you name all the great male piano players in history , how many of them used a hot woman to prop up their lack of commercial success ?

Now think of all the great female piano players , how many used a hot man to prop up their success . One group is being disproportionately exploited . Which one ...for the life of me I can’t work this one out ....


Interesting ... unlike the 'female' videos, this one actually makes you pay attention to the music ... and his playing. Hmmm....