explain Korg KAOSS use in the PA4x 1000 etc

Just when I thought arrangers peaked in creativity, I see this. It certainly takes the hum-drum out of a style. I could see you filling the dance floor if you do what Jurgen is doing here...example: drop the sound down to just a bass drum and then bring the rest of the "band" back in (mostly starting at 02:55). I don't understand how this works on an arranger....I thought the KAOSS was just for effects.

This really interests me. I'll probably not buy one but I'd like to hear your comments on this.

Just came across this video, interesting it seems....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVVxcTNew7w

regards,
John

Truly a case of 'different strokes for different folks'. I can't think of any musical scenario where I'd find that useful. Now maybe it's just a cultural thing or just a basic difference in our musical preferences, but I can't even think of a venue that I'd (me, chas) be playing at where the music in THAT video would 'fill the dance floor'. To my ears (and I speak for myself ONLY), that music sounds more 'arranger-ish' than ever because of the repetitive nature of most of it's rhythm components. I say this as one who is not into so-called 'dance music', especially types such as 'Trance', etc. But that's just me, I'm sure there are others that feel entirely different. Like I said, 'different strokes....'.

chas

PS: Just wanted to make it clear that my comments were directed at MARK'S video. However, for the record, I was not impressed with John's video either, and for the same reason, too 'arranger-ish'. I think it's imperative to find a way to make the accompaniment part be more 'passive' and not dominate the performance. If you're very aware of the accompaniment in a performance, you're doing something wrong. YOU, not the accompanient, should be the focus of the performance. Strong vocals and/or a strong right hand, along with a little creativity in 'juice-ing up' (augmenting) the arrangement helps a lot diminishing the 'arranger' effect. A couple of people here, DonM is a good example, do this very well. Again, JMO.

Here's a recording I did of Mustang Sally using some of the KAOSS features ( Triplitizer (sp?) ) when I had my KORG Pa4x...enjoy!

https://app.box.com/s/q2a07untahsiq678a7dxwm689rtk033m

very good. what style was that on the 4X? Why did you give up on that board????

Donny good, real good, John C.

I'm not understanding this. Where does the KAOSS effect come in?

I'd really like to understand what's going on here with this KAOSS.

The KAOSS is integrated into the 4x software. Now they designed it strictly to control the parameters on the 4x? i.e. an external KAOSS box would function differently.

I'm really impressed with how you can cut off the whole "band" and just have the drums playing, then bring the band back in with the wave of a finger. With a little imagination, that effect would go over big with "disco" and "big band" and what else. I'm also assuming that if you're playing a guitar patch and you want to "portamento/glide" from one note to another, you don't need to use the mod control.....just use your finger on the screen?

So.....is anyone familiar with what else this KAOSS does on a PA4x.

from 43 to 50 seconds, you hear a slight change of the Rhytm, thats Kaos

listen @:41 ( Triplitizer) (sp?) ......... there are so many effects you can use to alter the sound with KAOSS it's an amazing feature, rhythm etc....this is just one example..

If I remember Zuki its a Roland converted on the Pa4x style called Dublin Rock?......

Korg issued a free style especially for that song, called Mustang Rock. I don't think this is it though.

here is the Roland Dublin Rock style....I think its the one I used on the KORG Pa4x after conversion,....try it let me know ..

Chas.....maybe after you've paid your dues and done 10,000+ gigs in your lifetime like some of us here have, maybe then you'll think of a "musical scenario where you'd find that useful."



Just a suggestion, perhaps a course in "musical creativity" might help?



you state "YOU, not the accompaniment, should be the focus. Well, yes, YOU are the focus, and yes, vocals and a strong right hand too, but you're forgetting something....the machine is not working you and taking the focus, you're working the machine. So the equation becomes "vocals, strong right hand, AND milking that arranger for all it's worth as part of your performance...or do you want to sound like that fellow playing the cha-cha on the Genos and never using a drum break or rhythm change?

To quote Donny...."do whatever you have to do to maximize your performance!" Mark says: I don't care how well you play (or how good your right hand is)....you need the variety in effects that an arranger keyboard gives you.....that right hand is not just for playing great licks!

To be fair to Chas, I'm curious......how many of you agree with this?

I think it depends on whether it is a solo performance or for ambiance at a dinner. In either case, accompaniment should not over ride the right hand or vocal, but focusing on yourself in the latter isn't necessarily the goal.

Mark, I don't know what's wrong with the statement "I can't think of any musical scenario where I'd find that useful". It wasn't a put-down, just a statement that reflects MY experience. As far as "Chas.....maybe after you've paid your dues", how could you possibly know what my musical (or life) experiences have been? I always try to frame my posts as OPINIONS, opinions that NOBODY IS REQUIRED to agree with. I recognize that everyone's opinion is as valid for them as mine is for me. That said, I don't think we need a 'poll' to decide who is right or wrong with every post you disagree with.

I have no problem with someone presenting an alternate point of view but insisting that every opinion post be deemed absolutely 'right' or 'wrong' sort of defeats the purpose of a FORUM, especially a MUSIC forum, where almost everything is purely subjective. I didn't think anything I said in that post was that radical, but if it offended someone, I apologize.

chas