Interesting

https://youtu.be/HAGx6QLKItU

Not sure how accurate it is.

One concern I would have with the Genos is the fixed screen. I have real issues with the fixed screen reading it outside on my PSR S970.

Keep in mind that just 5 years ago, you could not read any keyboard screen outdoors. In this respect, keyboards have really changed when it comes to displays. Additionally, TFT and Supertwist technology now make it so you can see the screen at just about any angle, and with greater clarity and brightness. Not something I would worry about at this point. Also, when performing outdoors, most players set up somewhere in the shade. Other than marine devices, such as GPS/Plotters, it is nearly impossible to see the display of any device in direct sunlight. Years ago, I used to carry a large, black umbrella with me that attached to my keyboard stand to provide shade for outdoor jobs when there was no shade available - it was a necessity. Also, the vast majority of players rarely perform outdoors, too hot, too buggy, too easy to get caught in a sudden downpour, and more often than not, too many drunks with drinks in their hands who want to talk with the musician or DJ.

All the best,

Gary

and you will probably have the same problems without it being able to tilt and adjust to different light glare angles to see...

Donny, if they went to supertwist, direct sunlight actually would make the screen brighter and not reflect back at you. TFT Supertwist allows the light to go through the display, then reflects the light back through the images with greater intensity. This technology has been around in the recreational marine industry for more than a decade, but the music industry seems to have failed to pick up on it until just this past year. I guess we will have to wait and see how actual owners/users feel about the display.

On another forum, Bachus stated that the display was recessed a few centimeters and this would make pressing the bottom of the screen icons difficult, however, I just watched one of the demos where I could clearly see the screen was only recessed about 1/2-inch at most, and maybe less. And the performer had absolutely no trouble accessing those lower screen icons.

Just another week or two before we get an actual, hands-on assessment of what and what not is great about the Genos. You oughta make a road trip to Frank's place when they arrive so you can give us some insight. I'm too busted up and crippled to drive that far.

All the best,

Gary

I'm by no means and expert but I have had several Korg arrangers (Pa800, Pa2 XPro, Pa3x, Pa476, I've had Tyros2, Tyros4, Tyros5-76, PSR 3000, S900, s910, s970). The only problem I ever had was reading outdoors in bright sun, but where I played outdoors they had a canopy so the problem was solved. Seems to me no one has laid hands yet on the Genos but some are saying they have issues with the fixed screen, how do you know it will be an issue?

Maybe it's because I'm young and have good vision that I've never found it to be a problem?

Steve, ever think about going into REHAB?

chas

Ha ha, Chas after reading what I owned I scared myself and thought.........................Maybe I need help??

P.S. those are just the arrangers won’t talk about the B3, 2 Rhodes, Samick Grand, Roland FP90 or Casio Privia. OUCH. I should probably dial 1-800KEY-Rehab.

Steve, you have officially redefined G.A.S. Hey, I'm with you; who needs to eat. Plus, anyone that can't find what they want at Frank's, we can just redirect them to your house .

chas

BTW, if you house gets burglarized and only the B3 is missing, it was me.



chas

Well excuse us mr. teenager...

ha ha Tony I couldn’t resist that comment, I knew it would get someone’s attention. Yup a 65 year old teenager!!



Chas, the only thing that remains is the PA4x and S970 everything else was either sold or traded. It was a mistake selling the B3 and using it as a bed was not an option.

The problem with supertwist is there slow response time, resolution, accuracy and detail, which makes them completely unsuitable for keyboard, phone, and tablet etc. use.

If the above is not paramount (Such as in marine displays) then the visible in sunlight positives come into play, (Again marine displays are one) and thus supertwist is ideal.

Bill

Bill, I work with a Supertwist touch-screen display every day I'm on my boat and it is pretty darned fast, IMO. I touch the screen and within a fraction of a second the selected menu appears, another touch and another fraction of a second and I have a course laid out to my destination. The only slow thing about any GPS/Plotter with Supertwist is the time it takes to load new charts, which has nothing to do with the display.

The resolution and accuracy of my Lowrance HDS7 Gen2 is incredible, especially considering that just a decade ago, we were viewing displays that were essentially dot matrix in quality. Despite the fact that I am working with just a 480 X 640 resolution, keep in mind that is all on a screen that measures just 7 inches diagonal, which provides incredibly sharp images. The screen I use is larger than the screen on my PSR-S950, but about 2 inches smaller than on the Genos.




The demos I've seen from the Genos display appear to be quite sharp, clear and accurate, but as yet, I have not been able to determine exactly which technology they used for the display. I guess this is one of those "To Be Determined" items that we will eventually find out about.

All the best,

Gary

Anyone have any thoughts on the PaA4X vs. Genos comparison?

Swings and Roundabouts, until you try them you will never know which you prefer.

NOTE: The Genos is new so quite expensive, best to wait a couple of months for the deals to start appearing before purchase, (Let the nutters purchase the first batches at the over inflated prices) which will bring the prices closer together.

Under NO circumstances buy anything from an online demo without trying first (Or at least make sure you can return the item if it doesn’t suit) as that is a complete recipe for disaster. (On the flip side a couple of days later you can get some cracking deals on EBay as users who did not follow the above advice try and off load them.

Bill

Regarding prices.
Here in Norway I've noticed that the prices for T5 various "packs" has increased quite a lot lately.
In fact this has been done during the past months.
T5/76 and Genos are now listed to aprox US$ 5750
PA4X/76 at US$ 4430 (Currency 1$ = NKR 7,70)
Audya and SD9 are pretty much close to Korg, and gap up to T5 was far lower earlier this year.

I don't know what expect to see inside T5 and Genos, probably pure gold and platina all over?
Reminds me of the cost of Audya when it finally was released.....

"9" TFT VGA LCD touchscreen display"

First off, I think there are some good deals out there already for early adopters.

As far as buying the Genos when it comes out....I’ve had four Yamaha keyboards including a Tyros...no problems with any of them. If I was in the market for a Genos...I’d order now. Good early adopter pricing and past experience with Yamaha tells me the Genos will be at least as good as a Tyros and, and, most likely, a lot better.

Steve if I am correct you no longer have all those keyboards; you just keep upgrading to the best new ones. If I’m right then you have a passion/interest for the new innovations and possibilities. I too have this passion. The passion also flows through the rest of my life.

Life is good.
John C.

John you "hit the nail on the head," I no longer have all those keyboards, I usually sell and upgrade. I like your "I have this passion too."

Im glad I'm cured.....just sayin...

I would guess I've about 40 or so arrangers... Let's see, three EARLY low-end Yamahas, PSR60, 70... Then PSR6100, 6300, 510, 620, 740, 2000, 2100, 8000, 9000, Tyros, T2, S900, S910, S950, S970.
Technics KN800, 1000, 2000, 5000. Roland G800, G70, E50, E80, BK7m, BK9. Solton/Ketron X1, SD1, SD5, Midjay, Audya, SD7. Korg PA80, 800, 900, PA3X, PA4X, MicroArranger.
I may be finished now. It would be really hard to justify the price of a Genos, even if I loved it after playing one, because I don't NEEEEED one. Maybe PA5X? ... I'm probably finished though. Maybe . . .

You could almost buy a new outboard for your bass boat for the price of a Genos, Don - NAH! I forgot, you like to really go fast in that boat, so it would cost the price of 4 or 5 Genos's.

Gary