Mic Recomindation for feedback rejection

Hi folks,

I'm having problems with feedback when playing at high volumes ( see the cinco de mayo video ) I'm using a Peavy mic pluged into my keyboard and two Bose Compacts. Besides getting feedback, sometimes when the vocal harmoizer is on, it picks up the sounds of other instruments and generates odd harmonies. So I need something that won't feedback and pick up the sound of other instruments on stage. I heard the EV ND 967 is good for feedback rejection. Any thoughts?

Shure Beta 58

It could be your eq settings, peak gain limits, in your KB or Mixer, and or speaker placement on stage vs the mics...I would check all of that and make required adjustments first before buying mics..

Peavey miss are not the usual choice of pics for performers, I sell allot Shure mics, and feedback is not an issue, I also sell Audix and Audio-Technica, each microphone is going to have a certain pick-up pattern, and that in combination with where you place your speaker will affect your feedback issue, plus your eq'ing will have allot to do with it, if you are doing allot of eq'ing on a Shure, EV, Audix, Audio-Techinca, then you probably should check your speaker or mixer setting, because you shouldn't have to do allot to get a good sound from them

True, but I don't eq setting would effect the mic picking up sounds from other instruments far away, right?

ditto on Frankies post above....you get what you pay for ...
I have the EV ND967 flat grill works great if your playing keyboard or guitar, .....but for a solo singer look at the Senn S945

Yes, I'm looking a mic for me while playing keys. My wife is using a Senn 935 which is working out well....

Sennheiser 945

Electrovoice ND967 is the best at rejection I've ever seen, and sounds great to boot. It has been discontinued, which means you can find some killer deals on it!
It has been replaced by ND96, which should be at least as good. I haven't tried it.

Been using, and still using EV262ND for several years. Never a problem.

I’ve been having feedback problems, at times, with the Shure Beta 58 and two Bose Compacts. That’s with running three vocal mics and a sax player through the system. I’ve read some good things about the sE Electronics V7 dynamic microphone. It’s fairly new and about 100 bucks. It uses a supercardioid pickup pattern that supposedly rejects feedback very well.

A big part of the feedback issue is the use of two Bose towers. The coverage is so wide that your "safe zone" from feedback is greatly reduced. This is a strength of the Bose design, but works adversely if you're using a harmonizer. My advice - Place the Bose in front of your mic, and use a monitor, if needed/wanted.
Also, use a good quality Super or Hyper cardioid mic to reject sound input from the sides. Set your mic gain so that your normal volume requires you to be right up on the mic. Kissing it is where I like it. Keeps me grounded, and keeps out unwanted noise from around me. Favorite mics for me are:
Sennheiser E935/945, and EV 767/767a (didn't love the 967 - hated the flat top, but that could be changed out, I imagine)

I use a senn 945 I play at a very loud bar with lots of hard scape and have 2 line aray units 3 feet on each side of me and the 945 is the best I have used i had 835 bit get low humm

i use mic setting in Tyros 4 and 5


get one of those and problem solved.

i use 835 to mic the piano works well too but for anti feed back 945 all the way.

When I was using a hand held mic, actually two of them, they were the Sennheiser E-855 and the Samson Q7, and never had a feedback problem with either one. I used the Bose L1 PAS and Bose L1 Compact(s) with both mics. The only time I experienced feedback with the Sennheiser E-855 was last week when I recorded a song on the S-950 and used the keyboard speakers for monitors, something I never did while performing live. The keyboard speakers were always turned off using a dead-plug in the earphone jack. When I used the Bose systems, they were always placed directly to the side of me at a distance of just 2 feet at most, thereby providing me with a great monitor of what the audience was hearing.

My EQ settings have been posted here dozens of times, so I'm guessing that the OP's EQ settings are similar, but I don't know for sure. If you have too much mid and high EQ, then feedback will be a problem with any mic other than my Crown CM-311A, which has a very short range and nearly impossible to develop feedback from any sound system. Unfortunately, some performers cannot use a headset mic, but that's because they need to use the proximity effect of a handheld mic in place of vocal control.

Good luck,

Gary

We were set up BEHIND the Bose Compacts and had a two monitors placed in front of us. (see the cinco de mayo video) . My wife Sennheiser 935 did fine, it was my Peavy mic that was pluged into the Audya that was giving us problems. Never had an issue with this mic before. I know it's not a "pro" mic, but I like the on and off switch, because I just leave it off when I'm not singing. But on this particular gig we were playing WAY LOUDER than we normaly do. There were over a 1000 people, and the GM told us to turn up a few times.

The good news is we got hired for a few more dates at the same place, they expect just as big of a crowd, so I think I'm to going go to get some 2 standard 12" powered speakers and an 15" or 18" sub or two, a better quality mic for myself. Maybe I'll use the Compacts for monitors? The Compacts are nice, but I don't the are really designed for this type of work.

Paul, with a crowd size of 1,000, that is double the rating of a pair of Bose Compacts. However, I have covered a crowd of 1,200 in Ocean City Maryland, outdoors, with a single Bose L1 PAS and had no problems at all, and they were rowdy, drunken fishermen at a big bucks tournament.

A pair of 12-inch powered speakers would NOT likely be able to cover a crowd of 1,000 people outdoors, and I seriously doubt that a pair of powered 15s would do the job if the crowd is noisy.

As for getting a better mic, I agree, you do need to upgrade to something equal or better than your loving wife uses.

Good luck,

Gary

ditto I would agree a sound system much more powerful would be needed for a crowd like that shown in the video outside.

I echo Uncle Dave . Super or hyper cardoid pickup pattern Mic will cut your feedback. Another vote for Sennheiser 945. I use it with keyboard, and accordion with condenser mics in it that used to feed back until I went with it. Over $200 but worth the investment. I had the EV and consider the Senn better.If its cost prohibitive go with the 845..

Or just get a feedback suppressor http://www.musiciansfriend.com/pro-audio...L4MF-adType^PLA

I have found the Super Cardoid Neumann KMS 105 condenser mic picks up practically no other instruments or noise around it. It can be tricky to set up, but once you got positioning correct it is a dream. You better have great mic technique & quality as it will expose your flaws rather quickly. it will run you about $600 plus, but worth every penny. At least to me

I think that mic is awesome, but fails to overide the on board preamps of any built in keyboard I've ever had. I SO wanted to love it, but plugging it into my Korgs, Yamahas, Ketrons etc ... it never outshone the EV/Sennheiser class I have been using. When plugged directly into a better desk - It's amazing, but coming through a built in kb setup - you don't get the extra money's worth IMHO.

Yes you need a great mixer to appreciate it

Hello Friends

I also play in some large venues, My T5 with 2 Turbosound IP 1000 and 2 Bose Compacts one of each on each side. NO Feedback, I use an AKG D5S, Super cardoid of course.

My 2 Cents.

Manuel

My wife and I switched to each of us using a Sennheiser MD421 years ago, and have never had anymore feedback problems.

Duane O'D