History of Tyros announcement and release dates

Does anyone know the date history of (a) announcement and (b) availability of each of the Tyros series? I'm assuming we must be really close to an announcement based on the usual 3 year gap between models...

I think your in for a surprise this round

think we are a year away.

This year it happens . . . . G...s

Impuls :-)

Somewhere on PSR Tutorial is the history going back to Tyros 1. I couldn't find it.

Tyros series
Tyros (1 May 2002)
Tyros 2 (21 June 2005)
Tyros 3 (17 April 2008)
Tyros 4 (16 June 2010)
Tyros 5 (13 July 2013)

Yamaha Ensemble Keyboards Wikipedia

You think or you know?

And what kind of surprise? It seems we are already 1 year overdue for a new model! I hope they announce something soon and it better be revolutionary. I couldn't care less about sounds and styles any more - I have everything I need and more.

If you have all the sounds and styles you need... what would be your definition of "revolutionary"?

Chony we all feel the same...
let's just wait and see....Have you considered ketron sd9?

A whole new type of auto accompaniment...

For Yamaha? A competitive price.

Bachus: What type of auto-accompaniment would you like to see. 970 introduced arppegiation, more of this?

We all know price for TOTL Yamaha is geared toward wealthy (not necessarily rich) home user. I don't see that changing. PSR line appears more price competitive for general user and offers a pretty good bang for the buck.

Korg has filled the gap between 970 and high end Yamaha (even beyond T5), so where does the arranger market need to go?

I like the sounds on the Ketron, but styles seem dated. Plus stability issues have plagued their instruments.

Anyway...food for thought!

I'm a professional user, not a "wealthy home user", I perform about 150 gigs a year so I am looking for pro features.

Off the top of my head:
- audio time stretching in multi pads
- arpegiators
- DJ FX and transitions
- Synth engine with filters to allow for EDM creation
- Drum mixer with volume, bleed, pan, compression and fx control
- while we are at it some decent acoustic and electronic drum kits
- DMX integration (for light shows)
- Real multiband audio EQ on every channel
- Real compression on every channel
- Decent mastering effects (like Waves L2)
- phantom Mic and upgraded Mic handling

And that's off the top of my head....

- Oh, and how about some pro style editing features
- ability to program SA voices and voice algorithms
- 4GB Ram handling

I could go on forever. There is so much room for revolution.

This July will be 4 years. Wow.

I'm an S970 owner. I've noticed that the top of the line PSR always comes out two years after the newest Tyros iteration appears.

So we're probably looking at two years for successor to the PSR-S970.

your first clue as the "normal" isn't normal anymore...

Yamaha needed to catch up and I predict something very different if at all this time around, as always needs and wants have to be addressed to survive or people drift away,......we'll see

Between Motif XF and Montage there was more then 6 years..

About 2 years ago i got answered the question by Michel Voncken, he said to expect 4 to 5 years.. with current day technollogy aging much slower, Yamaha is making their update cycle much larger... Which will not be a problem as long as the updates are bigger in volume and quallity..

Seems everyone agrees we will see a Tyros6/Genos later this year... as sales dropped to an alltime low over the last year (even tough the Tyros5 seems to be Yamaha's best selling Tyros of them all)

Too many alternatives to make music these days you snooze you lose....lets wait and see Yamaha is not the only game in town.

Better PIANO DID I SAY BETTER PIANO HOW DID I REALLY FEEL ABOUT IT


BETTER PIANO.

It would be nice if Yamaha started introducing sympathetic string resonance and other piano-like behaviors. However, much of what makes a piano feel like a piano are those weighted keys. And what's perfect for piano is not so perfect for synths, organ, and guitar sounds.

Sure thing, and when we are at it.... an 88 key version...

Sure sounds like you've been playing a Roland FP90!!!

Sure glad I'm retired - just wish the weather would improve so I could spend more time sailing and drinking good booze.

Be patient, they will build it and DNJ will buy it!

Gary

Gary, ...times have changed,....sailing sounds good,

One thing I would love to see on an arranger...even the 970. Multiple outputs would be so convenient. Kick, snare, overheads, stereo pair 1 and stereo pair 2. Mixing in the instrument is clunky for an old studio engineer like me. Can't be that expensive to add additional outs.

If i change to a other brand than yamaha i lost so much value on the software i have purchased the past 12 years , so i must stay to Yamaha
I am happy with my T5 , but there is always something to improve , for example the speed of the proccesor is not able on this moment to keep up
with the "Ensemble" voices ,when you play it fast it hick-up .
Also the voice editing must be possible on board , not with the terrible program "expansion Manager" ( so Slooooow)
And of course they must improve the drawbar effect's , more a "punchy" overdrive so that youre be able to "rock" with them .
The Piano isnt bad if you play as a pianist , as keyboardplayer it sounds to "Yamahies" , they can do a lot better (Motif/Montage)
I can go on fore a while , but we have to wait if Yamaha have listen to his customers . . .
There been some meetings with customers. . so i have good hope . . . ( i being there) ( classified :-) )

Impuls

When I play my S970 S.A. piano with an 88-weighted key controller, it sounds pretty good.

A lot of what makes a piano a piano is the feel.

You do realise that with a namechange there is also a chance of the supposed new Genos nit being backward compatible? If Yamaha really wants to move forward, they need to drop some or maybe even all of the old stuff..

It will probably be our luck in that Yamaha will probably sell some extra piece of gear to purchase in order to modify, or make all the old styles compatible with the newest arranger. Or, make us purchase some kind of computer program to do the same.

That all depends on the new technollogy... And since Yamaha makes more money from their online store then from you reissuing old styles... it could just as well not happen at all.. Keep in mind that Yamaha is syill creating Tyros with homeplayers in mind, and in general they care less for backward compatibillity then gigging players..


Just saying, but there indeed have been a few rumors of the Genos not being compatible with the Tyros range styles at all...


Offcourse, if YAmaha was willing to invest... there could be 2 style players (just like there is an audio and a midi player) being totally independent of eachother... and the system using the player rquired by the file type..


It can go both ways, how important is backward compatibillity for you when buying a new arranger?

Items that are sold mainly into the consumer market, (Which all arrangers are designed for) the manufactures have to make them at least partly backward compatible otherwise they will lose the solid user base, which makes it difficult for manufactures to break new ground, however in the pro market, nobody bats an eyelid, as they are all looking for something new and innovative to add to what they already have. (If you look back since arrangers (As we know them today) came about, there has not been anything new or innovative, but instead there have been incremental improvements in sounds and features, plus the addition of pro features from about 5 years previous)

With Yamaha getting its fingers burnt over the poor sales of the T5, (Compared to the other T models except the T1) it will be interesting to see if they bite the bullet and forget Tyros, or just fix what is basically a good board, with the T6. (Assuming the accountants don’t pull the plug on TOTL Yamaha Arrangers, as their MOTL Arrangers are selling like hot cakes)

We will have to wait and see what (If anything) comes out from Yamaha in the future. (Forgetting the Tyros and any backward compatibility, and instead going for something totally revolutionary would be the ideal)

Bill

The official release date of the Tyros 5 was Nov. 11th, 2013.
I ordered mine as soon as it became available and received it
on Dec.17, 2013. Lloyd

http://www.trademarkia.com/genos-87087567.html

assumptions...

i think if the next yamaha arranger is really innovative and several steps forward.... noboddy will care about backward compatibillity, espescially not the home users...
Backward compatibillity only becomes an item if the step forward is minimal as we have been used inthe last decade..


According to Yamaha Europe, Tyros 5 has been the best selling Tyros of all time(worldwide) espescially the 76 key version was a huge succes in europe.. tough numbers dropped in the last year,... but then the first 3 years make up for the total succes


I highly doubt your source for the Tyros 5 being less successfull then earlier models. You might base your opinion on a micro local market and not on worldwide sales

HI Bachus

My information comes off the record from dealers, not the manufactures, who if you listen to them (And nobody who knows the trade does) all the T series have done great, even the T1, however as everybody worldwide knows, the Technics KN7000 outsold the T1 by a factor of 2 – 1.
The golden rule is, always take what the manufactures say with a pinch of salt, as the real information comes from the trenches.

Bill

Dealers in Holland say something different... Thats what i said, your assumptions are based on a local market... Not global.

Same for the S970, its selling better then the S950

[quote=BachusSame for the S970, its selling better then the S950 [/quote]

Never said it wasn’t, in fact, if you look at all my posts I rate the 970 as the best MOTL Arranger on the market, easily outselling the rest of the manufactures. It’s the T5 that is the lame duck in the 2 biggest markets for arrangers in Europe, (Germany & UK) the other countries in Europe are incidental, with low sales in comparison. (That’s the reason you get special sound and style packs for Germany & the UK, but not the rest)
The same applies to the US, which although big, the sales of arrangers are miniscule in comparison, hence the many requests of US arranger players get ignored, unless it matches something that Germany or the UK requires.

Bill

Correction
The release of the Tyros 5 was on Nov.11,2013. Lloyd