New Total Arranger from Germany with budget price

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=399&v=MLt6lVPf6Ks

http://www.deebach.eu/audiodemos_max.htm

Street price: 833 EURO

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61 Tasten, anschlagdynamisch, hochauflösendes 7" Touch-Display Startzeit ca. 25Sekunden DEEBACH - T.H.O. Hardware Tonerzeugung, 128-stimmig polyphon ca.1000 Klangfarben, ca.64 Drumkits (inkl. 256 GM2-Sounds und 9 GM2 Drum Kits) Weitere Sounds im Download Bereich des DEEBACH User Forum Effekte: Reverb, Delay, Chorus, Master EQ, Arpeggio, Harmony, Chopper ca. 240 Begleit-Styles, Style Editor im Instrument oder über Grand Suite PC Software Weitere Styles im Downloadbereich des DEEBACH User Forum Style-Funktionen: Select, Start-Stop, Sync-Start/Stop, Intro A/B, Main A/B/C/D, Ending A/B, FILL IN, O.T.S. Link, FADE IN/OUT Song-Funktionen: Select, Play/Stop, Pause, RW, FF 16 Kanal Midi Mixer Anzeigefunktion der gespielten Noten auf dem Display in Notenschrift Eingebautes Metronom: 30-280 bpm Aufnahme: MIDI und USB AUDIO Regler und Knöpfe für: On/Off, Master Volume, Select, Effect On/Off, Song Select, Style Select, USB Device, Demo Songs, Global Settings, Mixer, Klangfarben Anwahl, Data Dial Rad, Taster + -, Part 1-2-3 & Lower On/Off, Exit, Sustain, Transpose + -, Octave+ -, Performances, O.T.S., Multi Pad, Modulation, Pitch bend, Volume, Panorama, Attack, Release, Assign Knob 1&2 für eigene Belegung, u.a.Reverb Length, Arranger Volume, Cut off, Resonanz, Tempo etc. Auto Fill, O.T.S. Link, Bank, Freeze, Store, Anschlüsse: DC IN, Kopfhörer, AUX In/Out, Sustain Pedal, Volume Pedal, USB, MIDI In/Out/Thru, USB Port Lautsprecher: Zwei Wege Bassreflex System Hochton 15W x2, Bass 25W x2 Abmessungen (BxTxH): 97 x 39 x 16 cm Gewicht: ca.9kg inklusive Notenhalter aus Metall & Grand Suit PC Editor Software

Years ago these guys developped the XMS extension for Korg Arranger Keyboards.

regards
John

Ha ha ha, I just found this demo of the XMS expansion on their website, really amusing German Blasmusik!

https://soundcloud.com/deebach/deebach-xms-pro-f-r-korg-pax-9

The piano samples of the keyboard he presents in the Musikmesse video sound excellent.

Motl, but even then, for only €800, they offer a lot of quallity...

They can compete with pa900, psr s950, bk9 at only half the price... Espescially the 7" touchscreen seems like a blessing..

Tough some of the styles and sound where a bit dissapointing..

So then maybe they CANNOT compete with Pa900, PSRs950, BK9, and maybe that's why it is only half the price ??? just askin' ...

I've got the impression that some of the Deebach sounds are way above MOTL quality, some maybe below. There is certainly a reason why the Deebach sounds were an expansion to the Korg arrangers, as some of these sounds were/are obviously better. There seems to be a strong connection to Wersi sounds, too, as Deebach says he used to be an area sales manager for Wersi before.

I thought the demo was actually pretty good. The piano strings and flute sounds were pretty realistic . The guitars less so but the drums were pretty good . It also had that sound hold function where you can switch sounds whilst playing without notes cutting off . Very cool .

I have two Xms expansion boards on my korg Pa1X so I already have the quality acoustic and electric pianos . These in my view are better than or at least equal to the stock pianos even on the pa3x.

If they are way above MOTL quallity, then they are also above most TOTL aranger quallity, as currently only Yamaha has a TOTL arranger that clearly outperforms the MOTL version

Korg uses the same sound engine in all of their keyboards and even most of the same samples.. and maybe thats why the XMS boards are so popular in Korg instruments, as they add a certain flavor to the sound that Korg does not have onboard..

Yet still, the i dont think the styles are really that spectacular..

But still, at that price, it will be a heavy contender in the MOTL range...

The sounds really seem to be a mixed bag. I heard a wonderful realistic, wooden Steinway piano sample among the Deebach Soundcloud demos, nothing remotely comparable in the Tyros 5. (Of course I don't know whether that would be available in this new arranger.) On the other hand, e.g. some saxophones seem a lot worse than the Korg saxophones I know from the Krome and M3.

T5 piano is shamefully bad.

Precisely, its still usefull in the mix, but as a solo piano...

Its beyound me why they fail to add good piano samples to the Tyros range... just add the grand from the MOXF and i would be happy...

The keyboard is actually a medeli D1000 or a Fame G2000 that sells in the standard comfiguration at musik store for €269 and yes, it has a huge multi touch screen..



Just wondereing how much of those sounds got changed?

And even tough they might have added some great sounds, i fear the keybed at such a price makes them much less fun to play.

Actually, the keyboard really sounds good. What is bad about the keybed? If it has a light touch, similar to the Yamaha PSR series, I'm all for it. I don't want, or enjoy weighted keybeds. I bet DNJ would like that big, touch screen display, too. I wonder if they are available in the USA?

Gary

Listen close personally it sounds like an early 80's Casio IMO they could of at least had a professional demonstrator also......love the big display but sorry not interested. Thanx for the link always nice to see what's on the market.
Like I said earlier I'm in a Happy holding pattern & until I see & hear what I NEED I won't make a move at this time.
This is the NEW DNJ my friends....carry on

This is not the demo of the Deebach arranger, but just of the original keyboard that serves as the hardware bodywork. Of course the sounds are completely exchanged, so the demo tells nothing about the Deebach. He explained in the Musikmesse video that his sounds are implemented in hardware chips, so the interior is obviously totally different to this low-range keyboard.
But as false conclusions are drawn so quickly, it is obviously bad marketing to choose such a cheap keyboard as a hardware/bodywork platform...

If I were able to understand German, the vid would have made a lot more sense. But, since I only know an inkling of German, I had to make some assumptions, which the entire world knows what that means. (Benny Hill described it perfectly.)

All the best,

Gary

Thats where the money is, they buy a €200 keyboard, ad their sounds and sell it for €800... and people still think its a bargain at €800.

For me its only an indication about how cheap todays hardware is... even the totl arranger parts are obvously in the same pricerange.. thats probably the single reason they all stick with this kind of hardware, because its cheap and they can make a lot of money on the hardware..

(software development is where the costs are, but both at Korg and Yamaha those teams have been reduced greatly over the years)

After watching parts of the Deebach Max video again, the following things are still noteworthy:
- As Deebach says, the Max contains most high-quality sounds of the former "Deebach XMS expansion" for Korg arrangers.
- The filters and envelopes are implemented as hardware chips, not just as software (which means it is not just a Medeli with different software).

On the Deebach Facebook page I found the information that the Max now contains over 4,000 sounds (and over 20,000 individual samples - which doesn't mean much unless you know whether this number refers to key banks or total waveforms. Example: One grand piano, e.g. the Roland SRX 11, can contain 700 individual samples, if you count every single sample per key and velocity layer).
Furthermore, several followers remark that the Medeli hardware is a bit shameful and asked about a Deebach MODULE instead of a keyboard. Deebach's answer is that a module IS being discussed with possible hardware manufacturers. That would indeed be interesting.

Hi John,

I want to thank you for this post, but what I say here won’t mean a hill of beans to anyone but me.

I couldn’t access the video, but I went to a friend’s house and downloaded and listened to…….

DEEBACH XMS-Pro für KORG PAx-GM Demo Blasmusik.mp3

I love the sound of that keyboard, mostly because it reminds me of my days of playing European music (in Europe), especially the Bierkellar stuff. That’s where my heart lies when it comes to playing. The music is just so happy and that’s what I think music should be about……bringing that happiness into someone’s soul.

I wish there was a market for that type of music here, but I also wish I would win England’s National Lottery. Unfortunately, neither one is going to happen.

Please keep me/us posted on this keyboard. I’m going to go down to the library and see what it looks like and try and read about it.

Mark

I quite like the Blasmusik demo, too. It is arranged in every detail. The sounds are relatively good, too, I can imagine that these brass sounds were better than the factory brass sounds of many Korg arrangers, so it made sense as an expansion (or software sound substitution). However, I think brass sounds of the Roland SRX 10 or of a MoXF with the adequate flash libraries are still more realistic.