ROLAND PK5

Anyone familiar with the Roland PK5 midi pedal board

I am trying to figure out how to assign the Drum rolls from a SD3 or indeed an Audya 4 to the switches on the top of the PK5

The sd3 belongs to a friend and so far he has managed to get it working fine to trigger major keys and minors but neither of us know much about assigning drum rolls


Anyone information would be greatly appreciated

Rusty, in the manual it says that the DRUMs can not be over written/ changed,only use the standard kit. This is the same for both PK5 and PK5A pedal boards.
PK5A manual has better info........... etc........
[6] DRUMS mode
Press the DRUMS selector [6] to switch the PK-5A to
DRUMS mode.
In keeping with standardized usage
(GM and GS, for example), the PK-5A transmits on
MIDI channel “10” when this mode is selected. You
can change this, however (e.g. to “16” in order to
control the M.Drums part of Roland arranger-type
instruments).
After selecting DRUMS mode, you can use the
PK-5A’s pedals for “drumming”.
In DRUMS mode [6], the following functions are
available (FUNCTION section):
[9] FACTORY SET (DRUMS)
After pressing the FACTORY SET selector [9] (the
corresponding indicator lights), 13 note numbers
can be transmitted for triggering an external
instrument’s Drum Set. The note numbers
assigned to the pedals in this way represent the
PK-5A’s factory set. This FACTORY SET cannot
be overwritten.

Hi Rusty.
If I understand what you mean, yes you can trigger different drum sounds from the Pk5A.

Tassiespirit only read the first part (Factory Set).
Here you have the instructions that follows on the manual:

_[10] USER SET
Press the USER SET selector [10] (the corresponding
indicator lights), to select a different
Drum Set assignment, which is called USER SET.
Unlike the factory set, the USER SET assignments
can be changed (which would be useful
for triggering samples, grooves, etc., for example).
The original assignments are as follows:
• Programming the User Set
(1) Connect an external keyboard’s (or the
sequencer’s) MIDI OUT socket to the PK-5A’s
MIDI IN socket.
(2) On the external instrument, set the transmit
channel (TX) to the MIDI channel used by the
PK-5A’s DRUMS mode (probably “10”).
(3) On the PK-5A, select the DRUMS [6] mode.
(4) Press and hold the USER SET selector [10] for
at least two seconds (until its indicator starts
flashing).
(5) While the USER SET indicator is flashing,
press the key on the external keyboard whose
note number you wish to assign to the USER
SET.
Example: to assign the note “C1” (24) to a pedal,
press that key on the external instrument (or
transmit a long C1 with your sequencer).
(6) On the PK-5A, press the pedal you wish to
assign the received note message to.
Example: to assign the “C1” to the leftmost
pedal, press [0].
Release the key you are holding on your keyboard.
All indicators briefly light to confirm
your selection.
(7) Repeat steps (4)~(6) to assign different note
numbers to the remaining pedals



You can find the complete owner's manual here:

http://www.roland.com/manuals/en/index.cfm?SEARCHBY=PrNm&SPRNM=PK-5A

Many Thanks for the information guys
Unfortunately I may not have explained myself correctly

What i am trying to do is trigger the DRUM ROLLS of The AUDYA by assigning one of the switches on the top of the PK5 to do so? Maybe switch 5 0r 6==so that when i tap it I get a drum roll to the pattern I am playing with the 13 note pedals of the PK5. I am a guitar player who stands up and uses the PK 5 to trigger Registrations or Styles.

If I was using a Ketron K 8 midi pedalboard I would require an additional FS6 footswitch for the drum rolls
But i was hoping top be able to use the PK5 to do both tasks --trigger the bass notes and tap a switch for the rolls?

Thanks again
Rusty

Hey Rusty,
As Vagro mentioned, it might be done, in the User set pedal TEN (10). Set it up to send to from your keyboard to the user set. Does that work????

Are the drum rolls an actual sample of a drum roll, or is it a series on MIDI notes programmed to do a roll?

If the latter, one note from a pedal won't achieve that...

The other issue might be, if the roll is a sample, is the gate time of the note needed to be long enough to have the roll sound? If you just press the pedal and release, might the sound get cut off?

Rusty,
The switches on top are for selecting mode/programming ect. You don't use them for sending MIDI out...the 13 pedals themselves are for that.

If I remember correctly...as I have not used my PK-5 for a while now.

Lee S.

Thanks again to all who replied

Lee are you saying it cant be done at all ??

If thats the case can you suggest an alternative way to trigger the rolls besides using the buttons manually on the Audya 4 every time I want a Drum Fill

Thanks
Rusty

What's the code, in the Audya manual, for triggering the roll... That's the FIRST thing you have to find out. Until you know that, you don't know WHAT to program on the pedals, or whether it can be done at all.

Just had a thought... by 'drum rolls', do you mean FILLS?

It should be easy to do..you will use the pedals on the PK-5 to trigger the drum rolls. They can send MIDI note data, controller or SYSEX.

The switches on top are to select a mode for the pedals. The pedals send MIDI notes to trigger the action chosen by the above switches. As far as I know, you cannot trigger drum functions AND bass notes at the same time.

Yes, I agree..one or the otherat any one time.
If the arranger would see a note value as a trigger for the drum roll he could use the high C on the PK-5 to do the roll

So, we need to know what MIDI message is the arranger looking for to trigger the drum roll??

Yes DIKI I mean Fills

do you think it can be done?


I was thinking since--I rarely use the high C--second C pedal on the PK5--so would it be possible to assign my Fills to that pedal

What does the Audya manual say is the trigger MIDI event for a fill?

Most arrangers, it is a PC#.

But you CAN trigger a fill with a footswitch, can't you? Why not stick THAT on top of the PK, or just to the RH side?

Way I see it, it is unlikely that the PK can send PC#'s on a different channel to the channel that the bass notes are sending on (could be wrong, though), which is what they will need to do so for sure to trigger fills. Secondly, there is WAY more than one fill in the Audya, so how does ONE button trigger the one you want?

Pk-5 has:
Bass mode - send mono MIDI note msgs on any channel you want
(there is an octive switch as well, so you can cover multipe octives)

POLY mode - send Poly MIDI note msgs on any channel

DRUMS mode - sends MIDI noe msgs as well (setup for drum channel & notes for Roland by default) Totally user programmable note values.

SOUND EFFECTSmode - sends MIDI note msgd as well(setup for effects (rain tc) by default for Roland. Totally user programmable note values.

MIDI CONTROLLER mode - send MIDI controller databy default(Roland defaults) and can be programmed to send any MIDI msg by user programming each pedal.

I think you could send notes from lower C to B...and a Control change on high C.

Eerything I see however only lets you use any 1 MIDI channel PER MODE at any one time...however there is a MIDI channel btton and you can change the channel at any time.
That would not work if you were doing bass notes anda control in the same performance as it would be slow and cumbersome.

I have used mine to control the arranger functions on a T2 and a PA2XPRO. All vars, fills, break, endings(3) start/stop
works perfectly.

I have also used it for manual bass worked fine there too...once you get the right octive setting.

Thanks to everyone for trying to help

After careful consideration at the weekend --I have given up !!!!
LOL

I think the only answer is to get a 6 switch pedal for the fills but it would have been so much easier if i could have assigned the fills to my Pk5 floorboard
Oh Well, its not all bad i guess and we have AJs upgrade to look forward to now--wonder if its available yet?

Take care guys
Rusty

Rusty
Is the PK-5 velocity sensitive ? I have another thread going concerning this.
Bernie

Sorry, I just read that it is.