Why cant we have a TILT display screen on the next Yamaha S series MOTL unit?

they graced us with a Higher resolution TFF display on the S910.......but it now would be nice to add that to a TILT screen also on the S920..

I think it should be touchscreen as well.

Sure...why not on the tilt..
Touch screen? Oh boy you have opened a can of worms on that one...

I love my touch screen on the Korg PAXPRO...it works well.

Lee S.

Danny being so far Yamaha units don't have a touch screen on their Tyros/Psr models...although it would be nice, useful & productive....
I would assume this would require a major OS design retooling & undertaking to accommodate touch.

The first keyboard I owned with touchscreen was the i30 and I think I got so used to it that I expected to see this feature on every keyboard, however, moving on from the i30 it wasn't until 4 keyboards later until I was reunited with this very useful feature, but now that I've gone the Yamaha route I miss the feature once more. I prefer touchscreen, it's quick and easy plus it also preserves the buttons on the keyboard wear itself whether it be paintwork or the switches. It would be great to have both options in future models like the i30 did.

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I also enjoy and miss my Roland G70 Touchscreen it worked flawlessly!

A little OT but...
what is the product called that's like a 8x11 size and like an eBook it can display lyrics and sheet music...someone here posted about it... for that matter what about an iPad?

Is a tilt screen really essential? have you ever not been able to read or view what's on the screen of your PSR?

I think a keyboard should be nice n slick

Nick

I agree. They should start including tilt screens in the MOTL psr s keyboards.

I would really like to see the "Faders" for the mixer included (like on the tyros).
Also, they should add the "File Access" button"S". like on the tyros.

Shim


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I can see the S910's screen from almost every angle...in fact, it is one of the better arranger screens.

I like the setup on the S910...excellent ergonomics, and easy to navigate.

A tilt screen would be okay, but not necessary, in my opinion, and same goes for a touch screen...not really needed.

Ian

Nah more crap to "hook up" wires, etc .. at a gig.....
I wanna get in & out ASAP every day.

???? many times like tonight's gig for example blazimg overhead fluorescent lights above almost blinding the screen......I have to keep a book on my unneeded second tier on my Apex stand just to block out the light while performing.....maybe not in your living room but gig every day in different venues with so many lighting conditions & you'll see why you need a tilt display.

The touch screen is superb for entering data.
Much better than all those multi-button pushing iterations to enter text.
And for config/programming it is much better than non-touch screen.
For performance, I want most if not all fnctions also on a button, not just touch screen.
Lee S.

Hi again Nick...Sorry to get your attention this way, but I have sent another three emails with no responses....can you check your junk folder again...Your email YOU sent that originated at your end came through, so maybe send me your ph perhaps?

Dennis

You mean this?
http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/Forum37/HTML/009959.html

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Bo pen nyang.

I prefer and highly recommend the iPad for music/lyric display now. Great visibility both indoors and outdoors in sunlight. Get the' GoodReader' and/or 'iRealbook' iPad apps and you'll be all set. - Scott

I can totally recommend a program called Music Reader, which works on either a PC or Mac OR iPad.

It has many advantages, one for example allows the user to embed a MIDI file within it so it can send data to a keyboard to load a Songbook entry in the Korgs for example, or a User Program in the Rolands..Just use the midi with teh correct CC data.

It alos allows MIDI page turning. You cna set up auto page turning so that the score or chart will properly play da capos, repeats, codas etc etc

And the new version (in beat now) is going to be 100% run as a PDF program.

Well worth having a look at.

I use mine with the Dell XT2 Tablet, which with the screen down is only marginally thicker than the iPad, and is thinner than the Music Pad.

Of course the BIG advantage too, is its a laptop so it can be used for those purposes too?

Dennis

Oh and it also plays MP3's which can also be embedded within the chart file, and can be set to start immediately or wait for user start.

Of course all of these entries can also be linked up in Playlists for gigs.

Dennis

There is no market for it. That is why Yamaha has not and will not make one.
If you want to get it, do a poll and Yamaha will do what the numbers tell them.
But the answer is No.



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TTG

The main 2 reasons are probably:

Cost:
The case has to be made stronger, (To support the hinges) as well as re-designed both electrically and physically.

Sales:
Why would you buy a T4 if you could get most of it (Including a tilt screen) for half the price?

As to the touch screen, if you read on most dedicated Yamaha forums (The ones that Yamaha takes note of) you will see it is still at about 50 – 50 for this option.

Bill

Two very good points, Bill, and quite likely, very accurate.

And yes, Yamaha watch YPKO more than any other forum (PSR Tutorial is a close second).

Ian

I'm using the iPad with an app called the "Unreal Book" works well. You can create set lists and also bookmark pages from very large pdf files. I also have the Music Pad Pro ( TP123 I think that's what you were referring to).

or you can always memorize your music

I take a couple of my own fake books and a music stand (with a small light) with me on my restaurant gigs.

No sense knowing how to read music and not taking advantage of it.

I know most of the songs by memory, but it's always nice to have the music, and, if I haven't done a particular song in ages, it's nice to be able to play it accurately.

In the jam band, and for my clinics, I never read music, except occasionally in the latter when first rehearsing a new demo tune I'm not familiar with.

I just like books better...at least so far.

Ian



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as an instrumentalist I can see it...but as a singer that has to look at the audience not so.

You're right...if I was singing, there's no way I'd use books/music...that's when the screen would come in handy...and yes, it could be bigger on all arrangers, not just Yamaha.

Ian

I don't care about tilt. But if the whole screen were the size of the center display including the black section .. and it was a high quality touch screen ... and you could use your fingers to slide the mixer and organ flutes up and down instead of having to press up and down buttons repeatedly, this would be an excellent thing.

You would have an 11 1/2" display that could display song lyrics in large letters, and with one touch, you would be brought back to the main menu.

Beakybird

Doesn't have to be an actual "moving" tilt screen but at least one with more of an
UP Angle & Bigger.

Oops, double post.

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I find my Pa1XPro screen is at too shallow an angle, and it would be nice to have angle adjustment as on the 2X.

As Donny mentioned earlier, you never know what lighting conditions you might run into on gigs and too often I've had fluorescent lights overhead in just the right/wrong position. Yes, you can move your rig a few inches either way sometimes, but that's a PITA. An adjustable tilt would solve the problem for sure.

My issue is with the lack of screen viewability outdoors. Though the recent Kindle e-ink ads attempt to diminish the iPad's outdoor in the direct sunlight view-ability, the iPad's touchscreen screen is far brighter and easier to view and touch navigate outdoors than current arr kb screens.

It's time for the arranger kb manufacturers to consider adding this type of new touch screen technology to their keyboards.

Scott

I LOVE the adjustable tilt screen on my 'dinosaur' technics kn6000 ...
t.

Well people just keep begging....maybe we'll get it when the Chord Sequencer is reintroduced also...

I never liked the look of the physical tilt screen on keyboards..I had the EM2000 (tilt screen, with a problematic pixel view) and the G1000 without the tilt screen, but had the more durable screen ..although smaller it was more readable..

The MediaStation would benefit from a tilt or at least adjustable view screen..

I believe the KN2000 has a adjustable tilt built within the flat glass view..

I have found the G70 to be the best readable screen ..even without a tilt..the contrast control allows good visibility from any angle..It also seems to be the best of my boards in sunlight..The Prelude is also decent to see on any angle and in the sunlight too...

Touch screens are a major bonus to me..if you can see the screen..

I never liked the look of the physical tilt screen on keyboards..I had the EM2000 (tilt screen, with a problematic pixel view) and the G1000 without the tilt screen, but had the more durable screen ..although smaller it was more readable..

The MediaStation would benefit from a tilt or at least adjustable view screen..

I believe the KN2000 has a adjustable tilt built within the flat glass view..

I have found the G70 to be the best readable screen ..even without a tilt..the contrast control allows good visibility from any angle..It also seems to be the best of my boards in sunlight..The Prelude is also decent to see on any angle and in the sunlight too...

Touch screens are a major bonus to me..if you can see the screen..

I guess it was worth repeating...

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Tony, Technics was always ahead of the game...just imagine if they were still making arrangers.

The KN-6000 had five octaves...did it have aftertouch as well as velocity?

Ian

On the PA2XPRO...while it would be nice to have a bigger screen, it is adequate.
If you touch one of the track volume spots...you can slide your finger up/down to adj. it.
Or since there is 9 sliders for volume and other things as well..you can at any time just move the slider.
They also have an assignable mode (all 9).
Lee S,

Understood... but do you remember what its called? I thinl someone here mentioned using one?

Your point about how displays on KBs has lagged other products is spot on. Can't wait till its 8x10, HD and touch!!

YES!! Thanks and thanks Scott... Looks very cool.

Not as cool to use though. And the company has gone bust as well, so no further improvements/bug fixes. And there are plenty of those.

The Music Pad promised so much and delivered so little.

It had aftertouch my friend! it was way ahead of its time! I miss my KN 6500

It had such an awesome sequencer as well!

I purchased it when I was young and I didn't have many skills and knowledge in arranger Keyboards. It was one of my first ever keyboards so it wasn't used to its potential at all.

I wish I kept it! I always search for them on ebay but they are so rare!

In fact I prefer KN6500 over the 7000 purely because of the physical layout of the instrument.

Maybe one day I will own one once again

Nick

In it's day (circa pre 2005),the MusicPad was cutting edge, as there was nobody else out there producing anything comparable. Freehand Systems was a small startup co that put R&D seed $ from investor profits from the dot.com era to design and produce the MusicPad. Freehand's president had me test & evaluate their pre-production unit. Unfortunately, the dot.com bust, and then the more recent economic collapse affected sales and further R&D refinement. Move on to 2010, and I now feel that the iPad has replaced Freehand to store & disply Digital music. Freehand is now more focused on the software end of digital music. - Scott

Yes ... WAY ahead of its time ... if only ... ahhh ... but we can say that about a lot of things can't we ...
I have not even scrathed the surface of what this board can do ...
Nick ... check on the "technics" page here on S-Z ... perhaps someone might be interested in selling one, but doesn't want to put it on ebay ...
t.



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