Why in 4 Generations has Tyros not introduced new play features?

I don't get it.

Why have Yamaha not introduced any new playable features that impact styles other than Articulation voices?

Why not any features to impact the styles like and playability:

4-6-8 bar styles?
Make Up tools
Riff Tools
Bass to lowest
Autocrash
Random Style variations

nothing? in over 10 years, no new features other than MegaVoice?

and don't forget . . .

Chord Sequencer !

That's a feature I really appreciated on my Roland RA-800 (module version of GA-800). I really miss not having this on the Yamaha PSR & Tyros keyboards. - Scott

Scott,
Please explain the chord sequencer. I know you and Diki talk about it sometimes..it must be very helpful.

Thanks,
Lee S.

What is Autocrash?
what is 4-6-8 bar styles? You mean tha TOTL and MOTL Yamaha have 2 bars style length only?

Here you go dude : [Chord Sequencer Explanation

Scott

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I think I see what it is...It is like having a third hand...one that handles the chord progression while you play the fills, breaks etc and can add bass, percussion or arps etc. While the style is played by the chord seq. functions
??

Do I get it?

Lee S.

Autocrash will automatically crash the cymbals coming into or out of a fill or a break depending on how the style is constructed.

The Tyros 4 only has 4 bar styles. The Audya has 6+ bar styles with variations.

Depending on the style, the number of bars can vary.

The average Tyros/PSR style length is 4 bars/variation, but some have 2 bars, 8 bars, and one has 32.

Ian

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Hi Scott! hope you have been well mate, been a long time since chatting to you on skype!

I read the thread from 2006 where you explained about the chord sequencer. It does sound very useful but I have found a work around for this on my PSR S910 (quite sure all PSR's and Tyroses from 2000 onwards can do this).

Basically in the style sequencer you can record each style part yourself and select them NOT to respond to any chord changes you make on the keyboard while playing live.

I have recorded a very unique bass line progression using 4 chords, same with strings, epiano arppegio and strumming nylon guitar.

I can also select certain other parts in the style to be variable so they WILL change chords if I want them too...

When I then play over this style it sounds great, I have a custom bass pattern playing in the background which would never sound the way it does when just looping in normal live chord recognition mode and I can still use my left hand to change chords of other style parts in the same style all in realtime.

The other answer is purchase a Motif XS or XF

Just food for thought...

Nick

g'day to you mate! Yeah, it was great exchangin' arr tips on Skype voice chat. We'll have to do it again sometime.

The beauty of the Roland chord sequencer is that Roland's Chord Sequencer allows one to spontaneously (on the fly), while performing, record the chord changes, and then have the recorded chord seq 'automatically loop', freeing up the ability to 'play freely' over this chord change loop, without fear of effecting the recorded chord loop. Unfortunately Yamaha's style creator doesn't support anything like this. - Scott

leeboy don't worry diki will exoplain the CS to you till your head falls off after he reads this post... then you can add it to his 76 key/Cs want list.

They haven’t done it because they don’t have to.
If people are buying their T2, T3 and T4 in great numbers, why go overboard with features?
They are saving newer features for when they really need new features to sell the keyboard.
It is only until lots of persons start requesting newer features and they see lack of innovative features starting to affect their sales will they add innovative features.


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TTG

[This message has been edited by to the genesys (edited 10-26-2010).]

4-6-8 bar styles?
Make Up tools
Riff Tools
Bass to lowest
Autocrash
Random Style variations

It is all on board,if you know how it works.

Impuls

Donny,
The chord sequencer sounds pretty nice to me too. Having a 'virtual' third hand to play the chord seqs while I do counter melody or percussions or use the DNC buttons, pads ect with my real left habnd could be very nice.

Of course, I too want it with 76 keys. That way there's plenty of real estate to use the left hand.

Now I'm thikng here..how I could use the Korg backing tracks feature (It only records chord changes and RH) to do something similar...off to the keyboard to play around.
(I should be practicing for my next piano lesson!)

Lee S.

Lee when your done please post your examples to replicate the CS on your KORG...

Donny,
I will let you know how it goes...I'm not saying I can replicate it..just to see what can be done that is similar if at all.
Lee S.

leeboy...can't wait!! thanx....
....although I never had any need for a CS with any of my Roland KB's that had it...it could of been useful for some players..maybe it's just that technology has surpassed it as it did come out a long time ago. There had to be some reasons it wasn't continued & carried over to newer models by Roland.

Guys... sorry, but I still don't think you quite get it.

The Chord Sequencer is EXACTLY like arranger playing. In other words, forget making SMF's in advance... and forget about making Chord Tracks in advance. Even though you COULD save a chord sequence and recall it, it's main use was simply taking down what you JUST DID... Not the 'correct' changes, but whatever you FELT like playing, that night. And THAT, my friends, is why we play arrangers!

If you want the same backing every night, the same way, you go for SMF's... why tie up one of your hands playing chords, when they are ALWAYS going to be the same? But arranger players want flexibility. We want to substitute chords one night, or do a song as a rhumba one night, and a bolero the next.

That's what the CS does for you. Play the intro, hit "record', play the head. Hit 'Play' and now the changes you just played will loop. BUT.... not the fills or variations or even style (if you want it this way, it would do the other as well)! Play a vamp, loop it. "Riff Mode, but your own changes! Play the verse and chorus. Loop it. Go play another instrument. You can STILL select fills and variation changes, as you play your horn, or guitar, or kazoo!

Jump back to playing normal arranger, with no interruption to the beat.

I have no idea why this isn't the #1 requested new arranger feature. It truly makes Chord Tracks and Riff Modes and everything else seem like the Stone Ages. And it is REALLY simply to pull off...

All it needs are some voices asking for it (and maybe those that don't understand it to not shout it down ) and maybe it will reappear. And that will be a GOOD day..!