Where is OS4

Well Guys,

AJ's back, OS4 nowhere to be seen, I thought AJ would have been bubbling about it, our UK dealer says OS4 will blow your socks off, I've stopped wearing them just in case, does anyone have the sheet music to "Promises" or "Memories" . Ketron an enigma rolled up into an enigma.

Look do you think anyone at Ketron gives a toss about OS4, HHD going down and a backup disk, KB locking up, sound card packing in, software bugs from OS1.0, like the hell they are. sheet music to The Unfinished Symphony will do!

Cheers


[This message has been edited by Tony Hughes (edited 11-20-2009).]

World Exclusive screen shot preview of OS 4.0



Sorry I really couldn't resist doing that

ROTFLAMO !!!

Superb James..have'nt had a laugh like that for a while.

Great timing

Dennis

James,
That’s not nice but what a wizard wheezes, are you beta testing Audya, if you are you are going to need counseling, is this why AJ gone off. I need a USB Musikant stick - who is importing them into the UK. Sod OS4 it's never going to beat that stick. BTW you little sod, you have made the blue page up using photoshop 7, you should have made it in green.




[This message has been edited by Tony Hughes (edited 11-20-2009).]

Don,
Have you seen this ,like the hell don't load OS4 on yet, your kb will go into self destruct, I’ll bet UnionGuy is laughing his **** off at all this, he got out in time, it’s all behind him, mind you I told him to get rid and like a humpty dumpty I’ve still got mine, still there’s always ebay.

Ketron does care and 4.0 will be released.

I'll assume you would like 4.0 released when it is ready ? Right ?

I play mine from four to six hours every day, and I haven't had a single freeze or lockup.
I made a studio-class recording with it today, for a friend who will put a harmonica track on it.
I'm looking forward to OS4, but I haven't had any problems with OS3.
You seem to be snake-bit when it comes to the Audya. Hope it works out for you eventually.
The sound card went out on the one I had earlier, but no problems with this one.
AJ said we might see OS4 by next Friday, but he is at the mercy of the guys in Italy.
DonM

i know where OS4 is

it's in the Ketron Italy Labs

Well, that's probably the best place it can be until it's tested beyond limits and runs
stable. Also hardware problems we can read about both here at SZ and elsewhere most come
to an end.
I would love to get hands on Audya, but I'm a bit "scared" by all negative experiences
and comments from many users. I also refuse to get robbed to become a betatester, but if
Ketron deside to place the pricelevel to match the other top arr. kb. brands, I might go
for a ride.

Anyway, it's nice to see some positive remarks as we see from DonM, looks like it's some
hope for the future releases.

Cheers
GJ

i'd like to see the AUDYA at $3999 or less

$3699.97 would be nice and THEN it would be same price as the KORG PA2XPro :-)

Why would the audya be $3999 if the tyros 3 is $4600, thats only $400 less from the Audya now. Yeah the PA2X is $3700 now wait to the PA3x comes out, I'm willing to bet it just around the $5000 mark.

Putting the bugs aside at the moment because they will get fixed in the future. The Audya (Ketron it self) is a completely different animal all together, that's why we use a use a Ketron for our type of music and not a Korg!

A buddy of mine lent me his Midjay Plus to go with my S900, but I'm struggling with the buttons, I'm not use to it, so next year (Jan) I'm putting a SD3 over my s900.

Maybe by next summer/fall I'll settle on a audya.



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Now lets talk real, PA2X being 3700$ is a dream now, i can get you tonz of them for
2800/2900$ brand new, unpacked...
Tony, its getting cold, keep your socks on.

mc, whoever pays $4,600 for the Tyros 3 is either:

1- crazy
2- tone deaf
3- loves thin-tinny plastic sounding styles
4- has all other arrangers, and has $$ for another arranger
5- or high on something

really, that keyboard is not worth it, not for a few good super articulated sounds,

You bet your cotton socks I want OS4
Two bloody good reasons.
Firstly I want to test the crap out of it and secondly I have already paid for it, does that answer you question Dan.

Forget Dan, Thirdly I have already paid for OS5,6,7,8,9 & 10 but I doubt if I will be around to hear these at this pace and will Ketron be around they may well go before me!

[This message has been edited by Tony Hughes (edited 11-20-2009).]

You know James it's rather worrying, your picture has almost gone un-noticed, not until it happens to someone on an Audya will they jump up and down! The reason for this latest silence about OS4 there must be big problems delaying its release, Ketron are getting the message, any more crap and they are doomed. If your picture is genuine then they have got problems. If the new 300 voices from Ketters are as good as that German USB stick for the Korg then good, but what do you think, I doubt it. Dons happy with his Audya but where are all the others are there any. I know how many have been sold in the UK it’s a handful, and a few have been sent back, a few exchanged for other KB and one on ebay, riveting reading and phenomenal sales figures. You will not beat the Korg with that USB stick.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fugtN0SU_Yo&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8X1aFLB8DE&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQ07XqtGij4&feature=related

[This message has been edited by Tony Hughes (edited 11-20-2009).]

3000 US$ = N.Kr. 16968,- !! Less than half of the price if I get a good deal here !!
(Todays currency 1US $ = N.Kr. 5,656)

Nedim, if you deliver brand new PA2X Pro (Western edition) at my doorstep for that price,
you probably get lot's of more customers than me.
Tell me when you're going to ring my doorbell for delivery, I'll have the money ready.

Cheers
GJ

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Sorry, miscalculated exchange rate, post deleted. GJ

Jonny what kind of KB have you got, not a stylaphone surely http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrIPvvivS_0

Doesn't lock like the Audya made in 1960, no HDD, no drum loops, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07vtwBMZf-w&feature=related

[This message has been edited by Tony Hughes (edited 11-21-2009).]

Regarding the Stylophone, I had one since Rolf Harris demostrated it on a TV show looooooong time ago.
Still works, had much fun with it.

Nice you quoted my post, I deleted it by a mistake, copy and paste not always work as intended. Had
to rewrite, not quite same words used, but hopefully the same meaning.

Cheers
GJ

Seems to me the Audya scenario is following this path, as predicted by the FWKC of A (Fully Working Keyboard Confederation of America)...

Introduction year: 75% right.
Year two: 85% right
Year three: 95% right.
Year four: Discontinued.


It's too bad, because the Audya sounds pretty darn good...not quite as good as a Tyros2 or Tyros3, or even a PSR-S910, but it knocks spots off the current Korg arrangers.

That's why, at least here on SZ, it's most likely that Korg users will be interested in this controversial, but great sounding instrument...thankfully, not all of them have fallen for Ketron's ingenious method of introduction (see below).

So far, seems to be that at least one Audya user has a reasonably functioning instrument....Bravo! Light the signal fires! Open the gates!

It also appears that Ketron is cleverly doling out improvements over time, as it not only keeps their development costs down, but also keeps interest in each successive revision high, and, therefore, keeps SZ members talking about it....this is probably based on the premise that there is no such thing as bad publicity.

And Tony, I think you're right...it looks like OS4 will be introduced accompanied by the strains (literally) of the Unfinished Symphony....maybe they'll include it as a factory demo.

Or, perhaps an appropriate theme song based on Irving Berlin's Blue Skies...[sings]

Blue screen,
Smiling at me.
Nothing but blue screen,
Do I see.


Ian



[This message has been edited by ianmcnll (edited 11-21-2009).]

Not bad, 4 years before discontinued, others change models every 2 years and forget about the
past ones

Yeah, Yamaha sounds good in your and many others ears, sometimes even in mine, but what I don't
fancy at all regarding Yamaha, is when go from one to another style, it sounds like a totally
different keyboard. Maybe different producers for each style?
When swap style (play as is) it sounds like it's a new band entering the scene, or it's a new
CD put into the player. Ketron at least sounds as it is the same band playing and also it is
much more live sounding than Yammaha.
Also I feel Yamaha is a kind of cold and hard sounding, not as warm and soft as i.e. Ketron and
Korg.

Anyway, it's good we have different taste and needs, or else it would have been quite boring
in many ways.

Cheers
GJ

Think your right about this lot Ian and the song, the blue screen of death, I think like you Ketron don't see the comments here has bad, it keeps the thing moving for them, badly or not.

Of course, GJ, my post was mainly tongue in cheek, although some bits about the Audya have an unfortunately familiar ring to them.

I feel Yamaha's approach to having each style sounding like a new band entering the scene, is actually one of the many reasons the Tyros, and it's brethren, are so successful...a whole evening of listening to same instrumentation (or band) doing different genres would be a tad monotonous to most listeners...otherwise all CDs would be done by the same group of musicians.

Yamaha sounds pretty darn "live" to me, although, I must admit, the sound is even and compressed....a good quality in my opinion, especially when you want consistency in your "live" playing and/or recording projects.

It's strange, but I find Korg a tad hard sounding as well, although, like the Yamaha, one can delve into the instrument and change the sounds to taste.

Korg's extensive sound editing is perfect for the synthesist/home player hybrid, although the question is whether this person is a bit of a Yeti in arranger land.

The concept of the Audya is brilliant, and we may eventually see the Big Three use a similar system...after Ketron is eventually sold to one of them.

Edsel and Audya....mmmm....

All keyboard manufacturers have a skeleton in the closet...one they wish everyone would forget about...the Audya just might become one for Ketron.

With a small(er) company like Ketron, all it takes is one Edsel to topple the entire empire.

Ian

Hi Tony




That's fine by me because I had expected to get flamed for it.
Guess I will just have to try harder next time OK here goes. ….

It's actually quite interesting to see that each forum has it's own habits, and one I have been on the receiving end of a few times here is the suppression of information from existing owners of problematic keyboards.

If you don't own one, then your right to comment is taken away from you by existing owners. If you do own one, you still can't express your opinion on it because ….. well I haven't figured that one out yet, but it's very clear to me it's happening here in a big way.

It's almost like people don't want to admit they bought into something they feel caught out on.

Personally, in my opinion that's the one time when you should open fire and blow both barrels straight into the face of the company who built it. If you bend over and take it, then they will just do what they want. If you stand and let rip, you can be sure that will effect $ales and get their attention. It will also get the problems fixed.



That does happen when the company starts to realise it can't get away with the usual crap it pumps out. So the delay is likely to be a good thing.

I sincerely do hope for their sake this is true.



I'm surprised you thought it was. I thought it was obvious it was only meant as a joke.

Lets hope this time around nobody sees the real thing.

Cheers
James

Ketron introduced live audio loops.

How any one can say that sonically, a computer generated midi loop can sound better than a real drummer or guitar loop totally baffles me.

Ketron was the first in many things that other brands borrow.

Depends on who played on the audio loop. Just because it's played live doesn't mean it's automatically good. Besides, for this kind of application, don't they have to play to a 'click' track? I would think that that alone would automatically take away from some of the 'free flow' and spontaneity. Just speculation on my part. I don't really know that for a fact.

chas

You're so right, mc...they have been the leader in several areas, including this audio/accompaniment stuff on arrangers.

Still, one must remember that Technics was once a leader in arrangers, and they went belly-up...I think a lot of people were shocked and/or disappointed.

Let's hope that the Audya's incredibly shaky introduction is not indicative of the direction of Ketron...it's a fairly small company compared to the Big Three, and it may not be able to survive if this product is not corrected in full in the near future.

Come to think of it, Technics was a division of the giant...make that really giant, Matsushita Electric, and it went under, so I guess no one is really immune from failure...but, a smaller company will have much less chance of bouncing back.

It would be horrible to see the present Ketron/Audya owner base stuck with instruments that no longer have factory support.

Ian

I don't see Ketron going belly up any time soon. Their main focus is arrangers, which it has been for many years. Ketron is not just the Audya; they also have the SD5 as their mid-range keyboard that had fantastic sounds and styles. Their only arranger module company out there, for the guitar and accordion players. Ketron does very well in Europe, I'm sure the US sales are icing on the cake.

It hard to compare Technics because it just wasn't the keyboard or pianos, it was the whole line, home electronics, musical instruments, etc. so there is more behind the scenes of Panasonic dropping the technics line than we know of. I have to say I see Roland dropping their arranger line more so than ketron going out of business. Roland’s best selling keyboard was the G series G800/G1000. The VA76 was a flop and the G70 didn't really take off also. Time will tell.

Perhaps you're right, mc...I'm not as familiar with the Ketron line as you are.

I was very surprised at Roland's departure from MOTL and TOTL arrangers, as I thought the product was well designed and sounded very good.

Perhaps they are working in a new direction as far as the home market is concerned? This VIMA stuff might be what will replace, or at least supplement the present arrangers; the GW-8/Prelude.

I do know Roland's arranger sales were dismal in my territory, and we have a relatively healthy arranger market.

Hopefully Ketron will turn things around...and judging by the unhappy owners, it needs to be soon.

We don't hear of the Mediastation any more...wonder why?

Ian

[This message has been edited by ianmcnll (edited 11-21-2009).]

Really, like what for example ?

James

That maybe true, but the problems they have with this keyboard, it's price tag and the recession don't help matters.

Simply fact is that this keyboard was released entirely unfinished with large percentages of it's OS missing. What company with a good balance sheet does something as dumb as that ?

James

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Regardless of some of the bugs, they are still selling and besides as I stated before the audya is not only keyboard or module thay make. I sure the recession is not helping, but not just for Ketron, I'm sure just as Korg, Yamaha and especially roland.

Almost forgot they also make keyboards with the buttons. no one else make one.

[This message has been edited by mc (edited 11-21-2009).]

you can start with the live drums, they've been using them since the X1. They only difference is that Korg finally stepped up there game after few years.

Yamaha! Remember the PSR9000 Pro? If you happened to be one of the owners of that baby that Yamaha gave birth to well before it was ready you'd know that Ketron isn't the only offender and a good balance sheet didn't seem to matter in that case. Over the years many companies who were quite solvent have used the buying public as Guinea Pigs and Yamaha isn't excluded from that group. The problem is you never know if the keyboard you purchase is going to be 100% or not until after you've spent your hard earned cash. A simple demo in a store doesn't reveal what lies beneath and sometimes the depths of those waters run a lot deeper than you ever imagined. Caveat Emptor.

Yes, my friend, but Yamaha obviously learned from the PSR-9000 Pro, as did Roland with the G-70, but the problem is, Ketron is not in the same league as these companies financially.

Roland and Yamaha survived and thrived in spite of their blunders.

Ketron, on the other hand, may be looking at a much more serious fate.

They are making their mistakes at the absolute worst time they could make them...the poor economy is only one of the hurdles ahead of them.

They are putting an awfully high retail price on an arranger that is not finished, and may not be for some time.

Certainly we wish them all the best, and, very likely they're going to need it.

Ian

Sorry but Ketron can't lay claim to that either. Live Drums is nothing but a description for a mic placement on a dum kit while a drummer played during a sampling session.

Every kid with a AKAI Sampler was doing that back in the 80's. I was born in 75 and even I was doing that back when I was 12 with an AKAI Sampler.

I highly doubt you can come up with one single thing I could give Ketron any credit for inventing actually.

The make killer sounding keyboards, but they don't lead with new idea's at all. By todays standards Ketron are well behind as far as tech goes.

Cheers
James

Well to be fair it's not just some bugs. It's the history of an OS with large proportions of core systems missing, bugs and hardware faults .

As for the keyboard selling, sure there will always be those who take the plunge but I know for a fact that in my area (120 mile radius of where I live) I could count the Audya owners one hand.

Ask me to count owners of the older Ketron keyboards and there would be truck loads of people to count. Ketron's older keyboards are hugely popular here.

Funny enough the problems with the Audya are not the main reason for them to not buy, it's the price. You can buy a KORG Pa2X or Tyros 3 for far less.



Yes it's hitting everyone, but Ketron have their neck currently sticking out the furthest by a long way on price.

I understand they can't turn around and start selling it under a new pricing structure and this would cause blue murder amongst those who have paid already for it. This is why I've been saying that as soon as they get the Audya finished, they will likely drop it and quickly release a new keyboard totally based on the work they did for the audya.

It's only then can I see Ketron turning a profit here. I just hope they can hold out that long because it's taking for freaking ever to get the Audya working right.

Regards
James



[This message has been edited by Irishacts (edited 11-21-2009).]

You must be the one 4. High on something

Just high on life, my friend, that's all.

If you noticed the following post on the same thread in which I said...

"Of course, GJ, my post was mainly tongue in cheek, although some bits about the Audya have an unfortunately familiar ring to them."

Don't be so insecure, Jim...Korg arrangers have a sound of their own, and a sound that obviously appeals very much to you.

The Korg arrangers I have heard, unfortunately only on-line, sounded pretty good to me...not as good as my S910, which is why I bought the darn thing, but a very nice sound nevertheless.

Perhaps if I could get to actually play a Korg arranger, I might even add one to my kit...the demo of the PA-500 that FransN put up, was simply awesome.

How's the back doing?

Ian

One thing I notice about this discussion is that people are making the wrong assumptions that the Audya’s OS is not finished.

I don’t hear any one say that it does not function as an arranger.
In fact, you have people say that they use it on a gig.

It has bugs that must be addressed and fixed.
They are constantly upgrading the OS.

Ketron was one of or if not the first to include audio loops in a style in an arranger (I don’t think Akai was doing that).


And, the persons complaining about the Audya missing features are those who are accustom to Korg (which is not in the same level as an Audya, T3 or G70).

Korg arrangers are more for players who want to be creative. Ketron, Yamaha and Roland are more for those who want to turn on the keyboard an play without adjusting it to their liking, and with out any creative input from them.


Now if people are wondering why more Audya owners are not bad mouthing the Audya, it is that they don’t want the company to go under and then they are left with no company to upgrade the product or make any more arrangers.

Kind of like the negative effect Roland arranger.com had on Roland arrangers to where it looks like that may have pushed Roland out of the arranger game.


Owners of any product would and should always look to the future and protect your investment.



[This message has been edited by to the genesys (edited 11-22-2009).]

Since you, quite obviously, play a Gem Genesys, you must not forget to include your keyboard in with the ones by Ketron, Roland and Yamaha.

Korg make a great synth based arranger, but it does not guarantee that the player will be creative...in fact, no instrument can promise that happening, although one with deeper synthesis editing might help, although we could say that about any other arranger feature, like style editing, something all but the very basic instruments seem to possess.

It has been my understanding, from reading the Korg forums, that very few users are delving very far into the synth features of the Korg...at least no further than those by Ketron, Yamaha, and Roland, but probably a lot further than those using a Genesys.

Most forum members seem to rely on the more skillful programmers on these sites to come up with interesting and/or usable sounds and samples.

As a matter of fact, Genny, I don't know anyone else on this forum using a Genesys, so it seems that you are a bit of a Yeti yourself...but a nice one.

Ian

I am sure you will find the Korg users would begg to differ with you regarding sound editing on arrangers. That is one of the gripes they have about the Audya. O and to correct you again, if I were to put the Genesys any where, it would be between a Korg and a Ketron not with Yamaha or Roland.

That has got to be the worst assumption ever made on this forum.




I think your bald and bare-faced boldness with submitting this obviously erroneous statement, stems from the fact that Diki and Seamaster aren't around to reply...although you might hear from Fran.

Let's just say that this is the 2nd worst assumption ever made on SZ, and leave it at that.

Ian

You are funny.
Do you also do comedy as part of your act?

And, if you go to a forum that talks about every thing wrong about a product, would you buy it?

I didn’t think so.

And you probably be very careful about buying any other product from that manufacturer.

I'm sure the Korg users will agree that the sound editing on their arrangers is one of it's best features, and if I had one, I'd probably agree and be using that feature myself, simply because I've been a synthesist for more years than you've stopped wearing short pants.

I think the the Genesys is, quite probably a nice instrument, and I am glad (more like relieved) you did not group it in with those from Yamaha and Roland, as they are clearly light years ahead.

Also, I really don't think the Gem Genesys has anywhere near the power of a Korg arranger...maybe the older ones, but most certainly it's not in the same league as the PA-800/PA-2XPro.

After the way you so easily spouted those wild assumptions about Audya and Roland, no doubt without any deep consideration of what you were implying, I would be rather skeptical about your opinions on the Genesys instrument...or any other arranger, for that matter.

Ian

If it's finished at the stage we see even when OS3 released, I'll never buy any Audya!
If the OS are build with further developement in mind, it will not be finished, but it
would be released in a stable working mode, wich it's not the fact regarding Audya.



Well, did you read all posts about it, and did you listen to some of the demoes where
something very strange happens in the midi/audio mix when play exctended chords and
swap between the style variations?

It sure have bugs as others also have, but some more than you might excpect when buy a
keyboard, specially within this upper pricerange.
Also, don't you think the OS upgrades jumping very fast in stages at 1, 2, 3 etc where
others are more minor bugfixing by OS 1.1, 1.2, and when really major things happens you
see 2.0?



Really?



Do you really think that's the problem? Nope, most buyers probably direct the negative
input to the dealers because they are not present at SZ or any other fora.
Number of Audya buyers never confirmed, but I don't think there are so many Audya sold
as Korg PA2X or other top line arrangers.



Would you use the same words if you bought a brand new car that acted like we see reported
about Audya?
The "Black Box" in a modern cars are full of electronics, just as in a keyboard, would you
like it if you had to go through crashes, freezes and many OS upgrades like this?
I doubt it, it's only when it is Microsoft and arranger keyboard manyfacturers we tolerate
such things to happen.

Cheers
GJ

You and your assumptions, Genny...you must curtail this need to answer for other people.

If I went to a forum that did not talk about the problems with a product, in an open and constructive way, I wouldn't buy an instrument from that company.

Roland Arranger forum, Yamaha YPKO, and Korg's forum, all discuss, openly, any issues with the instruments...and they are dealt with pronto.

From the feedback I see on this forum about the Audya, both by owners, and their contacts, I would not be able to recommend an Audya to a potential arranger buyer.

I value integrity, and trying to gloss over and/or hide this instrument's glaring omissions and faults, would jeopardize the good word of any user or rep in my eyes.

If you think such practices are a good thing, I would not buy anything from you if you were selling an instrument...nor would I send anyone your way.

And, no, I don't do comedy as part of my act, but have you considered going into politics?

Ian

[This message has been edited by ianmcnll (edited 11-22-2009).]

"Also, I really don't think the Gem Genesys has anywhere near the power of a Korg arranger...maybe the older ones, but most certainly it's not in the same league as the PA-800/PA-2XPro."
And how do you know?
I have seen the Korg PA1x pro and the Genesys rivals that Korg.
Now I have never seen a Pa 2x or 800 so I don’t know where it stacks up, but from some Korg users, they tell me that they would not upgrade to a Pa2x pro from their PA1x pro … they don’t see such a big difference.

I have not had any "lock ups" /freezings) during live playing. Had a few when I did all that buttonpushings editing my styles and made my regs. As long as I give my Audya a 2 steps startup it works ok. Start #1 no sound from Count In, Start #2 everything's OK. Hope they made a good ON/OFF switch.
skude

Ian wrote: “From the feedback I see on this forum about the Audya, both by owners, and their contacts, I would not be able to recommend an Audya to a potential arranger buyer.”

So my “assumption” as you call it was correct.

Actually, Ketron has been very responsive to the bug reports on the Audya more so than any other arranger (they are up to OS 4).
So I don’t think there is a question of Ketron taking action.

You did however in your rant hit on a very important point.
Talking about the problems of a product should be done in an “open and constructive way.”

Which is far from what is happening with Ketron.
Just look at the first post in this thread.
To say a keyboard freezes does not tell any one any thing.
I am sure if I went to Yamaha and said my XS freezes, but don’t give them the steps as to what was I doing before it froze, they would tell me they need more information.


So yes I do believe the problems of a product should be talked about but in a mature and constructive way not just childish rants.


I also “value integrity,” and if a Yamaha fan boy and clinician is giving any opinion about another brand of an arranger that he or she admits to never playing (the new Korgs Ketrons and Gems arrangers), “would jeopardize the good word of any user or rep in my eyes.”

And no I have not considered politics. O is that really your first profession?

Hey, I have to rely on the integrity of the users of Korg products to give me their honest opinions, when it's impossible for me to try them....and so far, I trust what they tell me, and I like what I hear posted on SZ...plus, there are also on-line demos.


After reading your posts, you really should consider politics...and no, it wasn't my last profession (nor my next)...I wouldn't last 5 minutes in a job like that, but you, on the other hand, seem to have all the qualifications...go for it, Sunshine.

I really didn't know that GEM was still making keyboards...honestly! They aren't the pinnacle of popularity in my neck of the woods...scarcer than a Yeti.

Maybe you could post a few demos that show it's alleged equality to Korg's arrangers?

If not, you can always resort back to making empty claims.

Or, maybe someone else with a Genesys can substantiate your words.

Your move.

Ian

Great to see another happy(?) Audya user.
But, is'nt buttonpushing a part of the way it's ment to be used? Myself I often
push buttons, not only when do the editing and setup, everything depends of what
situation needs during the playing.
Have to shut down and start the second time to make it work as supposed(?), that
don't only cause the power button to get hard times, it affects the entire system
as well as you as customer know it should not be like that.
Btw, was it a spare on/off switch in the box when opened it?

Cheers
GJ

Do you mean giving it a couple seconds processing one button push before moving on to the next?

No. Gem is no longer making arranger keyboards.
To my knowledge, the Genesys S and its variants was the last TOTL arranger they made. It was done around the time of the PA 1x pro.
Since you depend on online demos and reviews about an arranger an not your own personal experience and then recommend or not recommend an arranger, I am sure you can do the same for the Genesys.

So no politician for you. I guess you like being a lobbyist?
You do well at it.



[This message has been edited by to the genesys (edited 11-22-2009).]

So they've given up...I was wondering why we didn't hear much about them recently.

Didn't they make a really cool Electronic piano...the ProMega?

I saw some demos of that product and it seemed to be cutting edge technology, or at the very least, extremely user friendly...plus, it sounded astonishing.

Did the Genesys use any of that technology?

And, at least the Genesys went out in style, being a fully functioning arranger/workstation, unlike the Audya, which seems to be a work in progress.

If you are a bit reticent about posting your stuff on SZ, you can always send it to me via email....I'd like to hear it.

Ian the Lobbyist

Audya a work in progress?
Other than the bugs, can anyone articulate how is the Audya a work in progress?

Conversly, how is Audya a finished product?

Think of it, the upgrades(?) are in single digits...OS1, OS2 OS3...etc.

Most products with OS upgrades are incremental...OS1, OS1.1, OS1.12...etc.

What makes you think it is finished?

Finished means..."brought to the desired final state."

Is the Audya in it's "final state"?

I hope not.

Ian

Can't really tell what I did to make the lock up, One time I know (even in my age) I was a little to fast pushing the next button, more like what you somtimes do on your PC to make it freeze. My "count in" problem has been there since day one. My dealer (Frank) is working on this together with Ketron. The first reply from Ketron tech. did not solve the problem, but as far as I know Frank is on it with Ketron. Yes I like the Audya, but not anough to try to pretend there's no problems, and I'm not very happy with the way this KB was released. But don't forget I have been down the same road with my Korg. The first OS 1.1 and several more, before OS 1.6 finally started to get things better, OS 2.0, or I should say OS 2.01 made it even better.Now it's the one I relay on. But still I can end up with a freezing. My first PA800 the motherboard was bad, aftertouch was not working,and the service senter could not fix it , got a new KB. I could go on with my PA80 problems also back in 2002. Not saying this to defend Ketron in any way, but we all seem to forget very quick, could be the age. When / if I get my problems fixed I will sure let you know.
skude

Just to let you know, I had never even tried the Count-in, so I just now turned the Audya on, pressed Count-in, and it works fine without a need to re-boot.
4.0 will have Style Editor and many new sounds. Other than that, we'll have to wait and see. AJ says we may have it by the end of this week.
DonM

I could write a book on that but to sum it all up quickly, each OS update only brings you a small step closer to the core features every other arranger has on the day it's released and OS 1.0.

For example, OS 4.0 is out very soon and only then will you have a style editor. It will probably take a few more OS released then to complete the Style Editor and fix any bugs introduced.

James.

Hey, that's right...the Audya does not presently have a style editor.

Ah, what the hay, it's only $5000 or so...at that price, someone should hand deliver you a packet of styles per your detailed specifications.

Hard to believe.

OK so we are talking style editor.
Or are we talking style creator.

So are we saying the product is incomplete because we don’t like the features Ketron chose to put or not put on the first release?


Now can an Audya owner say definitively that they can not edit a style with the current OS?
Not whether they can create a new style from scratch but can they edit an already existing one.

I just want the facts not speculation, conjecture or misinformation.
I would assume everyone would want the same. O I am sorry, I am not supposed to assume.
So may be everyone does not want the facts but want speculation, conjecture and misinformation.

A style editor, it seems, would be a very basic part of an arranger...a style creator, from scratch, would be just an extension of the editor...or vice versa.

To have no way of editing styles on any $5000 arranger, is terribly limiting.

Hopefully more exact information will be forthcoming.

Ian

[This message has been edited by ianmcnll (edited 11-22-2009).]

Hi to the genesys



Editor, Creator, it's the same thing in my book and it's a basic function of any arrangers.



Answer honestly now

Do you honestly think Ketron just decided not to include the basic functions of any arranger at the time of release,

or...

They weren't included because Ketron didn't even have them written at the time.

James

O.K. for all you guys who don't have an Audya, and have absolutely no intention of getting one. . .
Since it was introduced, you could open a style view screen, change volumes, sounds, loops, kits, sounds, etc. I suppose the new software will allow you to CREATE new styles.
Personally, I haven't even begun to exhaust the possibilities that the myriad of on-board styles present. I HAVE easily edited some of the ones where I didn't like a sound or volume. It's as simple as three or four button pushes, including the SAVE.
You can also easily substitute audio style parts for midi parts and vice versa, or add loops if you want.
There is also a dedicated button for instant viewing of all drum parts, and they are just as easily adjusted.
I haven't found it necessary to create any styles since I dumped the Korg PA800. Putting that board aside, it hasn't been necessary for the past six years or so.
Still, if you are into creating styles, and don't want to do it on PC, I suppose you would enjoy and appreciate that feature.
DonM

Thank You.

That is the type of information that needed to be clarified.

Quite frankly for someone to lump style creation and editing in the same group and then accuse Audya of not having basic features only goes to show that there has been a lot of misinformation about the Audya.


It is clear that the Audya has style editing.

So what other actual basic arranger feature does Audya not have that can be backed up with facts?

Hang on a second there, since when has the ability to change sounds and settings to any part on a keyboard ever been considered style editing.

Most of not all keyboard offer that function from the main mixer page which has NOTHING at all to do with Style Edit mode.

Style Edit mode is for creating styles or parts of styles that never existed before It's also for taking factory data and modifying it.

NONE of which the Audya can do...!!!! This is a basic function of any arranger.

James

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Certainly no intention of getting one, or recommending one, Don, as long as it seems to be a work in progress.

Not that it matters much, as the Audya may not make it to my part of the world, even though we do have a healthy arranger market...especially Newfoundland.

I, like some others, just like discussing these instruments, the way one discusses a Ferrari, or a Prius, even though we may never have need of one or intend to purchase.

The discussion of the Audya, will serve to educate those who are interested in buying, and may save them some of the headaches and hassles experienced by some users(but not you, it seems).

In regards to the style editing already present on the instrument....will it allow you to swap parts from one style and use that part in another...let's say Chord 1 from Texas Swing, to Chord 2 Country Swing?

Will it let you exchange parts within the same style...for example, Chord 1 in Variation A, to Chord 1 in Variation D?

I'm sure any potential buyer would ask these questions...I know I get them a lot on clinics, and in fact help users learn how to edit styles.

Style Creation from scratch, is far more difficult, and beyond the interest of most arranger players, and although I'm sure there are a few, I haven't run into any in all the years I've been doing clinics, so they are a rare breed, for all intents and purposes.

I'm glad you are doing well with the instrument, and maybe it'll make it's way to Eastern Canada...Solton was a popular arranger back in the day, here in the Maritimes, so it's not that big a stretch to imagine the good ship Ketron landing here in the future.

Your answers to my questions would be greatly appreciated.

Ian

Now this is the best assessment of Korg that I've heard

Be sure you read Genny's other assumptions before you believing everything he says, Jim.

Korg make a great synth based arranger, but it does not guarantee that the player will be creative...in fact, no instrument can promise that happening, although one with deeper synthesis editing might help. We could say that same thing about any other arranger feature, like style editing, something all but the very basic instruments seem to possess.

Still, you are a very creative guy, so it obviously works for you.

It makes no sense to play semantics with the terms style editing and style creations.
The terms are self explanatory.
And, as explained above, on the Audya, you can take a style and quickly change it the same way you could do it with Roland’s make-up tools.
And on Audya, you can add data. You can add audio loops/data.


It amazes me when a place could be said to have a “healthy arranger market” but does not have arrangers from the major arranger manufacturers. That place does not have a healthy arranger market.

Again you are misunderstanding the statements.
No one said a synth based arranger will make a player creative.
Apparently some people understood and did not misstate what was said but you did not.


Even you your self have said that your Yamaha clients do not want to be creative. They don’t want style creation nor do they want a sampler or sound editing. Which is what I said about persons who like Yamaha, Roland and Ketron.

No, my friend, I did not say that...nor did I imply it.

Not making a style from scratch, or not using sampling, has absolutely nothing to do with the amount of creativity inherent in a user....lots of very creative players on this forum, have never made a style from scratch, nor do they want to.

It is you who is making assumptions from my words, not the other way around.

Ha Ha...and you called me a "Lobbyist"...go look in the mirror, Genny...there's your "lobbyist".

Answer me this...would you buy an Audya in it's present state...would you?

Ian

To me, "healthy" means an abundance of arrangers, with following-up sales with educational user clinics, as well as informative promotions.

Generally, the most popular have been Yamaha and Roland (they're pretty "major")...Korg not so much...it has never really caught on...not sure why.

The music dealers in my territory are wise enough to go with proven product, not instruments that are still in the beta stage, or instruments that have poor factory support regarding repairs.

So, yes, we do have a very healthy arranger market.

Ian

Are you sure you were not a politician. Or, are you a politician?

I could not have written such double speak even if I wanted to.

No wonder persons here on SZ do not take you seriously other than a Yamaha fan boy.

And, if I wanted to use an arranger the same way a Yamaha user uses an arranger, and I wanted an Audya then yes I would get an Audya. And according to you, it would not stifle my creativity.


But it would not be based on the misinformation being spread by you and others here on SZ but I would ask actual users who use the Audya for gigging and in the studio. And, with any keyboard I get, I would make sure I have a good relationship with the dealer.

We can agree to disagree on the definition of a word, but when the keyboard simply does not have the means to be programmed then it does not have a Style Edit mode at all which is a basic function of any arranger keyboard.

What the Audya has now is simply called the Mixer page on every other arranger and that has nothing at all to do with Style Edit mode no matter how much you try twist this.

You cannot defend a half assed effort like that and believe that the Audya is not missing basic functions or is not a work in progress. It's that attitude of half assed efforts that can be found across other systems. This is why even the likes of the sampler on the Audya is utterly pointless right now.

You can't create anything on it, it doesn't support any known format, it's memory size is pathetic.

Feck, last time I checked the keyboard didn't even have a Sequencer.

Actually, that is a very unhealthy arranger market.

When you have a market that only has and knows 1-1/2 manufacturers then they do not know what is out there and may be suffering from arranger deficiencies.

The only thing I could say to help you if you are still not understanding is for you to reread Don’s post. And, if you still do not understand, seek some type of a demo so that some one can introduce you to style editing and help you to understand how it is different from style creation.
When you are taking existing data and changing it, you are editing. When you are inputting your own data, you are creating.

The Audya allows you to take existing data and edit it.
To my understanding, you can even include some of your own audio data and include it with an already existing style.

Well, Genny, if you were right, I’d agree with you...but, any market where there is an abundance of arrangers is pretty darn healthy in my opinion.

It's simple...if there were other brand arrangers that would fulfill the needs of arranger players, better than what they are using, I'm sure the demand would be strong enough for dealers to bring them in.

And you didn't answer my question...would you buy an Audya in it's present state?

Ian

Don's post did not appear to mention anything about style assembly, which is a basic part (or should be) of any arrangers style engine.

I have asked if you can swap parts from within a style, or to be able to insert parts from another style, and so far it is still unclear exactly what the Audya does.

Style assembly, is style creation...otherwise, why would it be a part of the Style Creator engine....changing voices and effects is also a function of style creation, but to a far lesser degree.

Playing in the parts from scratch is seldom used...ask anyone on this forum, which consists of many professional creative players, if they make styles entirely from scratch, and you'll get your answer.

Part swapping or style assembly is by far the most common, and even then, you'll only get a few on this forum that use that method.

Brand means nothing...Roland, Korg and Yamaha all have on-board style creators, all have slightly different protocol, but they all work about the same...it's what you get used to.

So far, I'm not convinced the Audya has a style editor/creator...maybe someone can enlighten us....please?

If you are an arranger user, and you claim to be creative, what do you do to show you are creative?
Likewise, if you are a workstation user, and you claim to be creative, what do you do to show you are creative?
If you have a Daw and you claim to be creative, what do you do to show you are creative?

I am not talking about talented or the ability to play and manipulate machinery.

For those who may have conveniently missed it here it is again.

“You can also easily substitute audio style parts for midi parts and vice versa, or add loops if you want.”

Would that be for just for the percussion style parts, or all style parts?

From another style, or within the same style?

What do you do to be creative?

Would you buy an Audya in it's present state?

Look I'll let you call it whatever you like. It will always be the mixer page to me and every keyboard manufacture since that's exactly what the mixer page does.

Fact is you asked a question which was this....



I answered your question and told you straight out that you couldn't make your own styles on the keyboard (amongst other things) because the Style Edit mode doesn't even exists. It's not coming until v4.0

So you can either call me a liar or accept what I'm saying because NOBODY here will jump to your defence and say that they can program their own styles into the Audya.

No sequencer, no sampler, limited sound engine, no style creation mode (called it that especially for you ), lots of bugs, system crashes, hardware fault, and all this is very much so a work in progress with a premium price tag.

Anyone want to beta test ? Will only cost you 5 grand

James

Just what are you talking about. Genny?

Song writing, arranging music, recording, lobbying?

What do you consider being creative on an arranger?

Creativity and talent are much more related than you think.

Send me one of your tunes...do you make your own styles from scratch? I've done a few, but it is a rather tedious bit of work.

Ian

So we know on the Audya we can style edit as with other keyboards.
We can not create styles from scratch but we can edit onboard styles.
That we can agree on.

Style creation and a sampler as Ian would tell you is not wanted by arranger players.

Yes on the Audya you don’t have a sequencer where you can create a song from scratch. Another feature that arranger players do not need.

So as an arranger the Audya is not really incomplete.
Ketron may choose to add more features but the features on it are probably what Ketron wanted it to be.

I just wanted to clarify that the notion that the Audya is a work in progress is a false one that was made by uninformed opinions and was not put in prospective.

Now the most important thing to me is the bugs and stability in the software and it seems as if Ketron is working on that.

There seems to be a few hardware issues but it can not be duplicated by every user. So it is like the button issue that Korg had.

No, I do not agree that the Audya has style editing...is there style assembly...part swapping? No one has clearly confirmed this.

It is still a work in progress, because it is not what the makers intended it to be yet.

Speak for yourself please...we are all capable of voicing our own views...your opinions are just as uninformed at this stage.

Is the manual available for us to look at in PDF? That should answer some questions.

Would you buy an Audya in it's present state, Genny? You are avoiding the question, because I don't think you'd buy a "work in progress" either.

to the genesys

Are you freaking serious ?

According to you all arranger keybaord players don't want a keyboard with a sequencer, a sampler or any means to progarm your own styles. In addition to that comes the side effects of no such features. Which are no ability to load third party styles or sound libraries.

What utter ridiculous nonsense. You are seriously well out of the game mate if that's what you believe the arranger market is looking for.

Basically a kids keyboard offers you exactly what you want. All those evil advanced features taken away from you

What a joke. …!!!!! Your a hopeless case.

James.

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I'm afraid he is, James, and I'm also even more afraid you're right.

Genny has clearly designated himself the "Assumption Fairy"....you know, something like the "Tooth Fairy" - leave a couple of easy to understand comments on a thread, and whoopie, an assumption from the "fairy" suddenly appears.

Too bad he wasn't the "Corvette Fairy"...

But, I still think he's a nice guy...very enthusiastic.

Ian

It is not me who thinks arranger players do not want those features it is Ian.
If you read the post you would have figured that out.

I think that all arrangers as basic features should have what the Korg Pa2x pro has.
But when I say that, you hear the comments that arranger players can not create styles, they don’t use samplers and a sequencer should only be on a DAW.
If you have a problem with that take it up with Ian. After all, he says that his clients don’t create styles and don’t use samplers.

If after reading the post from Don and you can not see that the Audya has style editing then it shows that you are just arguing for arguing sake.
If you continue along this path, you will quickly loose what little credibility you have on SZ.
You talk about a “work in progress” but can provide no factual basis for that statement.
You have never seen nor played the Audya in person, you have never heard from a Ketron rep that the Audya is a work in progress so where are you getting this concept of a work in progress?

Are you assuming?

And would I get an Audya in its present state? I answered that in another post. Do you not read the posts?

There ya go, making assumptions again.

I teach people how to use Style Creator on my clinics....it is a very popular part of my follow-up program.

I stress to prospective buyers the usefulness of having such a feature on board the arranger.

Do you think, perhaps this is one of the reasons why we sell so many Yamaha arrangers in this region?

The average arranger player uses about 50% of the instrument...read the forums...but, with a little help, they can be well on their way to customizing the instrument for their own needs.

Questions about the Style Creator, and the on-board sequencer are the most frequent ones I get...the rest of the instrument is pretty well easy to use.

Ian

Yes we know that people using a Yamaha could assemble styles by editing an existing styles (swapping parts, and so on).
So I was not talking about style editing, I and others are talking about style creation.
Nor was I assuming.
You have said that your clients do not create styles from scratch and that is what we are talking about.
If you have said that Yamaha users can and do create styles from scratch then I apologize.

I think this thread is starting to giving me nose bleed here.
I can't keep up. Who's who, and who is that person talking on behalf of now ? Feck, what were we talking about again, I forgot

Thank you for answering my question...it was a bit hard to find your answer mixed in as it was with all the assumptions.

I'm not so worried about the people on SZ that don't take me seriously, but I am very concerned about the welfare of anyone who takes you seriously.

The biggest source of mis-information, so far, has been you, my friend...James and I are only discussing the things we know about the the Audya...you are busy being the "Assumption Fairy" and just making things more confused.

Any chance of getting a Corvette?

Me too, James...I'm going to bow out of this mess...it's not worth the effort, even if we try to make light of it.

I suppose you're not getting an Audya soon?

Ian

Ok... another attempt.

The question that was asked by to the genesys was.......



My answer to that is in two parts.


Part 1:
With ever OS update released so far the majority of the features that have been added only cover basic core functions of the keyboard which should have been included since day one. Meaning that the keyboard was always and still is far from being a complete system that one could consider version 1.0

Part 2:
It's still missing entire major systems that define an arranger for what it is. Starting with the main core feature or an arranger, the keyboard does not have the ability to allow the user to create styles or modify factory styles.

It does not have a Sequencer at all.

It's sampler doesn't even merit acknowledgement because it's so crude and obsolete. No means of sampling, no standard tools of a sampler or even a single format supported that could contain mulstisamples.

The sound engine is as crude and as basic as you can get.

Many software bugs, entire system crashes, hardware faults.

I'll leave it at that because I've just hit on all the core features of any keyboard. Sounds, Sampler, Styles, Sequencer, operating system and hardware.

So there you go.... a work in progress.

James

OK so now we have gotten rid of the source of the misinformation and distractions we can talk about what do users of the Audya hope to see in OS 4.
So it has all the basic arranger features; bread and butter sounds, great styles, style editing, the innovative feature of more than one audio loop in a style, it could play back midi wave an mp3 files and so on.

I as a none user would like to see an expansion of the style edit feature to include audio loops for none percussive sounds like piano guitar and so on.




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I have to agree with James, style editing is all about actually changing the notes, velocities, "business", chord accomp pockets et al. Changing sounds is merely a MIXER function and as James quite rightly points out this is available on pretty much every keyboard.

Style editing is a far more complex beast than simply altering a timbre.

Perhaps Gensys, you may want to qualify your syntax, before arguing that others are "playing semantics".

What I mean by that is you need to define "style editing" as far as YOUR interpretation goes, and then readers will have a clear idea of exactly what you mean.

Up to now the Audya has a very good mixer function to allow minor modifications to volume levels and timbres, but it does NOT allow style editing. As far as I know, this has been present on ALL Ketron keyboards for some years. Even now, the actual in depth editing is still not available until a release of yet another OS.

And to compare the Audya editing to the Roland G70, well ....that's just plain silly. The G70 has the simplest to use style editing system around, not to mention the most depth in editing, after the PA series.

The PA has far more options available, but the G70 is easier to use, and is not too far behind on what can be done as well

A while ago I suggested this is merely a SD1+ and a Midjay combined into one box. Looking at the parts list,other functions (or lack therein). I see nothing to change that view.

Dennis

Hi Ian.



Never give in mate
People need to learn that it's ok to discuss these things and not suppress the information.




Nope, no Audya for me regardless of how it turns out in the end. The successor to the Audya will be one I will have my eye on very closely as it will take them to the end of the Audya's life span to fix everything wrong with it.

The next keyboard will be built on all the work that went into the Audya so it will instantly be a far superior concept and by miles more robust on it's release date.

That is also providing that Ketron learn from their mistakes in releasing the Audya in such an unfinished state.

Regards
James

Another misinformation. The audya style editing does not just include changing sounds.
What a lot of person seem to get confused with is style editing and advance style editing.
Now an actual Audya user can correct me but it does not seem as if the Audya has advance style editing.
But we know it has basic style editing comparable to the make up tools on the G70.

To give an analogy, there is sound editing and advance sound editing.
Korg has sound editing and advance sound editing. But Yamaha T3 as far as I know has basic sound editing.

Not really, Genny...to accomplish that, we'd have to see the tail end of the "Assumption Fairy"....but, seeing that it is more amusing having you around, than boring old me, I'll sit back, for the time being, and observe, and watch you dig a deeper hole for yourself.


James, I may return later when the fog clears a bit.

Ian

Well in order to prevent James from becoming to the Audya as Diki is to the MS, I will also bow out of this discussion until persons who would like to discuss the Audya based on truth and facts come a long.

Ian
You'll be waiting a long time before that happens. I don't think anyone will get genesys to admit he's wrong and that the Audya doesn't have a Style Edit mode.

When it's listed on the new features list for OS 4.0 by Ketron in a few days, he will still argue it was always included in the keyboard ….lol...

James.

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I happen to know certain information directly from Ketron since many know i was involved with
them, directly from the engineers that are working on Audya THAT some of this features
James mentioned were NOT EVEN WRITTEN at the time of the release of the Audya.
Lets stop being funny, i am embarassed to talk about Audya anymore, thats why you dont
even see me commenting on that, i would be ashamed to compare Audya to an Korg PA500,
forget the higher end. We just talk whatever comes to our mind but very few actually know the
truth or the ones burnt with 5000$ bill by Ketron which they cant do nothing about.
And i dont know who it was, Ian, MC or whoever, i ask too James, i want them to tell me
ONE SINGLE THING that Ketron ever came up with...please enlighten me since i am stupid.

Then enlighten us what is out there??? All i know of is Korg, Roland, Yamaha, Ketron, MS and Wersi...there was GEM and Technics and they both went belly up...am i missing something???

I challenge you, lets discussed it on facts, you start first, show me the facts but also
do some research on what a Mixing page is, what a Style Editor is, what a Style
Creator is, what Sampling Editor is e tc...then we discuss:

READY!...

NO YOU ARE NOT!!! It happen for me to know Ketron arrangers same as i know Korg's and no,
not just Audya but NO Ketron arranger can do that without headache. In Ketron's world to swap
style elements THEY MUST BE the same lengths of Measures and same Time Signature.
Otherwise IT WONT WORK! There is not even a workaround, it will simply not work.

No we cant dude, i am sorry but we cant, i am the DOCTOR for PA series and also for Ketron
stuff, even that EDITING part that you call cant do nothing what it supposed to do as i can
do on a 1500$ KORG PA500. And i repeat again, if you have the facts lets debate them...only
strictly technical and pro language. We'll go step by step and function by function. I might not
be a good musician but ANYTHING i own as far as styles (few hundreds of them) and sounds
(few thousands of them) i created from scratch...0...zero...nada...isn'd that talent too???
Or just playing Piano is talent???

Thanks Nedim, for the much needed breath of clarity on the subject of the Audya's style editing/creating (or lack of).

It's hard to believe a $5000 arranger instrument, such as the Audya, lacks what is standard in a $699 Casio Privia.

Astonishing!

If your the Doctor for ketron stuff, I might as well plan for my funeral. Can you say mal-practice suit. , all kidding aside....

Your also not comparing sound quality of the audya vs. the other brands. (which is opinion) but you see ketron from a studio point of view, I see it as a gigging musician. If It was between the korg or ketron, ketron hands down all the time and it doesn't have to be the audya, sd5 sounds just good and the pa2x.


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I believe there is no style creator on the keyboard but they have something for the pc, which can then be transfered to the audya.

This company found a way.
http://www.fcmusica.com/shop/?en_fcmusica-ritmos-brasileiros-para-audya-3.0,206
http://www.fcmusica.com/shop/?en_fcmusica-ritmos-africanos-para-audya-3.0,205

It most likely has something to do with the audio portion and why it wasn't included. All other style editing/creating on other keyboards are all midi based.

They released a style software, which is the pattern edit feature on the older models.

This is news to me ?
Your hardly referring to the Style Compiler that was released only 4 weeks ago ?

Have you even looked at that app ? You cannot create anything within that application itself, it's simply a tool for converting midi files to styles. You still have to make the styles elsewhere with a DAW or use some other companies keyboard that actually has a sequencer.

There is no means to modify note data or create note new data within the application. The mixer page functions it has are no different from what's on the keyboard already but that certainly doesn't constitute to anything considered as creating a style.

James

PS: I'm still waiting for you to tell me what Ketron have done that everyone else has borrowed.

Just to confirm what James said:
Style Compiler has nothing to do with creating styles, NOTHING AT ALL! Style Compiler is just
another version of EMC's Style Conversion software which does NOTHING except converting
the styles to Ketron format which are created elsewhere.
And yes, i had a GOOD look at it.
As of now Ketron still doesnt have a Style Creator/Editor on or off the Audya.

That might be the case, FCMUSICA from portugal found a way to create and edit styles.

Yeah, they used the compiler and some other manufactures keyboard or a DAW because the Audya doesn't have a Sequencer either.

Yes, i found a way WAAAAAAYYYYYYY before FCMUSICA did, i create them in Cubase
(same as FCMUSICA does in some DAW) and then
with StyleWorks i convert them to SD5,
after that they are easily load it into Audya.

What freaks me out, is that here I was, complaining that Roland's budget arrangers didn't have style editing/assembly/creation, and here is a TOTL arranger without it...and yet, the Audya buyers think that's okay.

OS4 will have it, eh? Let's just see if it works as well as some of the other features, like audio style parts that don't play all chord types...this was also promised to be upgraded, and perhaps it was to a degree, but it still falls short of it's full potential....and it's only a basic expectation that it will read all chords.

Audya seems to be selling anticipation more than actual content.

I feel bad for the owners who are struggling with this instrument and getting it sorted out....that must be very frustrating, after spending a pile of loot on a $5000 arranger, that doesn't have the same level of basic features as a $699 Casio.

That's what is so unfair....and the scary part is that it might be dropped as soon as they can fix it enough to get by....I think they'll drop it, and turn to less expensive and less featured models, that will have bits and pieces of the Audya in them....that's if they don't go belly up first. JMO

Time will tell.

If they didnt already.

20 years from now, Ketron's IT still working on the problems



Caption we will never get this thing right.

LMAO.... I know, I'm utterly awful but if you if you don't have time laugh at all this, then it's a freaking sad day indeed.

James

You, know, it's always best to try and find the humor in any bad situation, and most times I do...still, I can't help wonder what's going through the minds of Audya owners with all this anticipation...which, unfortunately is bound to be tinged with a bit of fear.

Good anticipation is like The Night Before Christmas (Clement Clarke Moore's version)....mmm what will Santa leave under the tree?

Bad anticipation (Audya's version)is like losing your luggage at the airport....when will I get it, and what will it be like when I do?

Ian

Much has been written, and said about the Audya, before and after released. Not always easy to know what's right or wrong http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=39034&highlight=ketron+audya http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/v...n+audya&start=0

Skude, i know where you hitting but yes, now we know whats right and wrong...we have it...

James even the curtains look Italian.

Cool... looks like I was spot on with my comments all the way back then too before it was even released.

Anyone wishing to have their fortune read to them, I'm now available

James



[This message has been edited by Irishacts (edited 11-23-2009).]

I'm not trying to hit anyone here, just letting you know that some of us don't really know too much about these spec's and everything, we are just musicans that try to keep it going. When we buy a new KB we are most of the time told not to listen too much to the salesperson, he just wanna get your money, then we turn to the pro's. And get very Now I only listen to the live sound from the Audya, and that's the best I've ever heard so far. (Beeing braindead or whatever) Before my next KB I'll give you a call James. Hope that it's not just KB you can tell me about, guess it would cost me alot to know the answer to the rest of my questions (not Audya)

skude,
Please don't be discouraged by the naysayers. My Audya sounds fantastic. My friend HankB came over this morning and even though he has an SD5, he was blown away by the sound.
He has been ill and only now able to get out much, so he hadn't heard it live before.
So far, I have tried to go through every style and find which songs they fit, find the lead sounds I want to use, then save to Registration (takes about 2 seconds to save).
I edited one sound so far, and customized both the mic/vocalizer settings and the overall e.q. I have also remixed a few styles, changing some of the distorted guitars, and adjusting some style part volumes.
Other than save my Custom Start-up preferences, I haven't done anything else except PLAY. It's as close to playing with a live band as you can get, without hiring some side men.
DonM

Most of what is said in this thread is about the state of the keyboard, not how well it sounds.

I don't think anyone has a bad thing to say about how well it sounds, or how good the styles are. Ketron have that well and truly mastered. Always did.

Regards
James

With the exception of style creator, Don has repeatly stated that his Audya is fine, no crashes, uses it on gigs, etc. I know Tony hughes has problems, but now I wonder if it more user error than keyboard.

MC how old are you are you still at school!



[This message has been edited by Tony Hughes (edited 11-23-2009).]

With the exception of what style creator ? There is none on the keybaord ?

Is Don not on his second Audya at this point also ?

James

It's my third Audya. The first two arrived with gaping holes torn in the boxes. It looked as if both had been picked up by huge tongs. The first worked fine but had damaged key bed. The second had a sound output problem. I attributed that to the rough shipping also, but not certain.
This one has been fine since I got it about three months ago.
DonM

Time signature and measures mathcing only seems to make sense to me. It seems to be musically correct ? Why put a 3/4 into a 4/4 variation ? Or vice versa.... It doesn't make sense.

I have and been able to mix and match styles rather easily with the SD1 and X1. Why Ketron would not carry over this feature ?

I also made a statement earlier in this thread about the sound. "how anyone can say that audio doesn't sound better than a midi generated loop is beyond me".

I saw Chaz say "depends on who's playing the audi part" , but does anyone think Ketron would use a non-professional player ?

Sonically, audio has got to be better than any midi based loop. Hands down.


[This message has been edited by DanO1 (edited 11-23-2009).]

Old enough be out of school for a long while, but your the one that whines like a little school child.

I'm done with the thread and any other audya thread about its problems. I've been a very happy ketron player for many years and a very pleased yamaha owner with the s900. Good luck your ketron, because I've been very lucky in the past 14 years using one.

We offered ideas in past threads but your constant complaining does not help your situation either. If you hate the audya that much either sell it or take it back to your dealer, which should have a refund policy. Most dealers have a 30 day return policy, more than enough time to decide if $5000 bucks is better for you in their registers or in your pocket. you should be directing your anger to your dealer and trying to get a refund than bickering on this forum.


[This message has been edited by mc (edited 11-23-2009).]

I don't think Ketron will have any problems finding excellent musicians but I do think this approach to styles will be short lived with ketron for a number of other reasons.

1: All Audio based pattern are recorded at a set speed and pitch. The second you change either one of those the samples are stretched and that always has awful effects on the sound.

2: Coverage. There are many different possible chords the end user will play and to provide full converge so the end user doesn't hear drop outs will be quite a challenge. I doubt Ketron have this covered, but I could be wrong.

3: What you get is all you get. You cannot modify the data. You can't change the sounds around and using it in a different performance for example either.

4: All along it took 1 single style programmer to design a single styles. Now you have the cost of an entire band and a recording studio thrown on top.


5: And this one is only my opinion. I don't feel Ketron need any of this in the first place. Maybe they felt they needed to because the competition has technology that can emulate all this with midi ( KORG's RX Technology for example) but I think the limitations of it, cost and effort required make all this work a pointless venture when existing Ketron users never really complained about the old way of doing things with Midi.

I feel their time would have been better spent improving the already great selection of sounds they had, which in turn would improve the styles by default.

Regards
James

[This message has been edited by Irishacts (edited 11-23-2009).]

Sonically, midi based loops, do not sound as good as audio. Again, this is my opinion. To begin with drum loops were easy to do with the SD1 because drums do not respond to chord changes.

However they took it a step further with Audya. I personally remember the day that Sandro, Aj and myself were having breakfast at the 2002 Winter Namm show, talking about audio loops.

I sometimes feel like that was the day the whole idea of Audya was born. lol ..

Either way.. Ketron has to love all the talk of Audya. Free advertising !

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[This message has been edited by DanO1 (edited 11-23-2009).]

I just wonder how far would people go to twist something incorrect and to satisfy
their emotional needs...

"NO YOU ARE NOT!!! It happen for me to know Ketron arrangers same as i know Korg's and no,
not just Audya but NO Ketron arranger can do that without headache. In Ketron's world to swap
style elements THEY MUST BE the same lengths of Measures and same Time Signature.
Otherwise IT WONT WORK! There is not even a workaround, it will simply not work."

Emotional needs ? Please. LOL... If your referring to my comment about being with Sandro and AJ, it was in a joking manner. However we did have the discussion.

My emotional state is fine Thank You.

Ever since 1996 I have nothing but respect for Ketron products. When I worked for Chuck Levins, I sold a ton of MS series.

When I worked at GC, we sold alot of X series. When I started working NAMM shows and created X1 video manual , it was fun.

I was one of first people in the US to touch a SD1 and had a great time demonstrsating all of their keyboards at NAMM.

I will always love the product.

Playing along with an audio loop is much like playing along with an MP3, or Wav. recording.

Audio loops used in styles do not appear to have anywhere near the flexibility of midi based loops.

Midi based loops are incredibly editable....you can change the groove, the swing amount, the dynamics...offset notes...shorten or lengthen decay.

What real advantages do audio based loops have, other than sound as realistic as a recording? In actuality, midi loops are playing recordings too...they are playing samples (recordings)...in most cases, multi-samples.

If you record audio based loops...is the result a recording of a recording?

The technology for doing audio based loops, especially instruments that play chords (in a style) is still very limited...too limited, it seems to be completely successful.

Ian

I know of hundreds of songs that have 3-4 different Time Signatures, go play some
Dream Theater, 16 variations wont 16 TS wont be enough...and if something is not musically
correct but possible why not do it? Why every other brand does it? On Korg or others you can
copy from whenrever to wherever and no matter of TS or lentgh. Ketron went as far to even block
so you cant copy from a Variation to an Intro or opposite.

Maybe, but I believe they're also giving the other manufacturers a free tutorial on how not to introduce a keyboard.

And, before you bring up Yamaha's PSR-9000 Pro, Korg's PA-800, and Roland's G70, remember, these issues are in the past, and these companies have learned (sometimes at great cost) from their mistakes.

Ketron is presently in the middle of an issue/blunder, and quite frankly, it seems they are working against time and dwindling finances, available to fix the Audya.

I wish them, and anyone owning an Audya, the very best of luck, and hopes of an outcome satisfactory for all concerned.

Ian

Tony!
You're the man, a simple question, where is OS4.0. Close to 150 replies. When you play the Audya I'm sure you do Jose Feliciano's (Come on baby) Light my fire, BTW his guitar sounds almost like some of the Audya's live guitars. Than may be you keep on with "For ones in my life" (Steve Wonder)
cheers, skude

ok.. got it. I will dial up some dream theater.



[This message has been edited by DanO1 (edited 11-24-2009).]

Ian, you continually infer that Ketron is in financial trouble. No where else have I heard anything to indicate that is true.
Do you have anything at all to back this idea up, or is merely conjecture on your part?
Thanks,
Don

Just a gut feeling Don...brought on by many years in the business.

It's my opinion...time will tell if I am wrong...or right.

Just like my prediction about the Audya's direction...

Introduction year: 75% right.
Year two: 85% right
Year three: 95% right.
Year four: Discontinued.

That's been correct...so far.

Ian

Some facts:

- If you want to survive, you have to make money. (Shareholders/owners demands it.)
- To make money, you have to sell quite a few of your product, whatever product it is.
- To make people buy, you don't start by set the price level twice as high as your competitors.
- To make more people buy, you have to deliver a quality product that don't give bad reputation whatever cause it.
- To keep your customers stay at your product, you have to listen and be solution & service minded.
- The list goes on............


If Ketron (or whoever cause it) did not place the pricelevel higher than the goldrate in this country, I would be one
of the first to run and buy the Audya when it finally arrived.
Why? Because I learned to know the SD1 who not only sounds good, but is heavenly to play. Lovely keys and keybed, and
I really like the "live and human" sound and styles. But the (old) OS is a nightmare for those of us who's not born
into Ketron land.

TAlso I did believe that the Audya would be more finished when it came out, after all it was delayed for quite a long
time after they first started the hype.
I would like to think the OS is far more userfriendly and have more options regarding style editing etc. than we have
seen before, and the small leaks about OS4 tells this will be even better.
No, I don't think Audya is a bad keyboard, I would love to have one, but I hate to feel like robbed after a deal ..

The audio idea is great, but I think it has to be yet another model (Audya II ??) before we see hard and sofware that
manage to make some intentions or wishes come true.

Cheers
GJ

The comment made about the SD1 OS or navigation being "ketron land" kind of baffles me. The Navigation is the same. You press a button and look in the screen. Than use one of the function buttons on the side of the screen to make a sound or style selection. I really don't see what was so different than other brands, other than having a hard drive... I just don't get it..

Sorry.

Skude,

It is surprising that after all the hype here we still don’t have an answer about the whereabouts of OS4, I think someone said it would be out Monday i.e. yesterday in the UK, but no sign of it, I must say I haven’t look on Ketters Italy, it may be there now, what do you think. I am convinced there are troubles, think about it, you would not want to let the public know too early, but we have known about OS4 for about 6 weeks or so. After everybody seeing and commenting - not a sound from Frank or AJ, it’s a bit odd, James will perhaps have the answer. It is worrying some people have said send it back, you have 7 days to look at it and then send it back, but it’s more complex than that. You pay your £4200.00 you think you are getting a finished product , you have no reason to think any different but I bet the dealers perhaps knew, with Ketron passed record this is how it would turn out. In the UK we have Trading Standards in every City, if goods are faulty and not fit for purpose they will act on your behalf and get your money back. But imagine going for an interview with a Trading Standards representative and telling them the winding tale of the Audya, they would never believe you, and they are perhaps more interested in 10000s of people with a kids toys have has a steel rod popping out and damages the child’s eye. If you told them you had bought a KB for £4200.00 you knew it would not be complete, you would need to wait until such time as the manufacturer decide to get it finished, timescale unlimited they would laugh at me and quite rightly so. Once an idiot always and idiot or there’s no fool like an old fool. The compete Ketron Audya - the best kept secret - only known to a chosen few, sounds like something from the bible. Sorry this 150 thread has revealed nothing for you, I did my best. Beta tested by the brave in a darkened room.

Just to clarify WITH FACTS (as has been requested by some)...

1. AUDIO STYLE MORPHING. This feature completed in AUDYA (as of OS3.0) allows the user to do the following ...

A. Take an existing style and EDIT it to ..
B. Replace its Midi parts (chords, bass drums) with those from another style OR those from it's internal library and save as a user style
C. Replace it's AUDIO drum-1 track with an audio drum track from another style or an audio drum track from the internal data bass OR the USER AUDIO DRUMS (audio drums created by end users), OR midi drum tracks from either another style or the Midi Drum data bass.
D. Replace the Audio bass line from a style with that from another style or a midi bass line from either another style or the internal bass table.
E. Replace the Audio guitar (chord 5) with that from another style or another audio guitar from either the internal audio table or the USER GUITAR table (soon to be populated in OS4.0 with more guitar loops) or simply a midi guitar part from another style or internal table.

You can load new styles into AUDYA (either styles converted for use on other Ketron product from other manufacturers, or other Ketron official styles or styles created on other Ketron products). The edit capability above ALSO applies to these styles (user styles).

2. STYLE EDIT (current) AND STYLE CREATE (4.0):- With OS 4.0 you will be able to CREATE NEW STYLES (i.e start from scratch and lay down an entire new drum, bass, chord tracks that currently do not exist in AUDYA). You can also incoorporate the above MORPHING feature with this newly created style.

Hope this clarifies this.

3. STYLE MIX. In STYLE VIEW - you can MIX (change volume, effect, pan .. etc levels of each style part) and EDIT (change parts [midi and audio alike] styles and save as a new user style.

We're holding off release to include another popluar feature asked from our customers (can't say now), but you'll see.

Thanks,

AJ

[This message has been edited by Ketron_AJ (edited 11-24-2009).]

Just to clarify this issue with a few more facts (finally!)...and by the way, thank you, AJ for popping in and clearing this up.

When substituting one part for another, does it matter about the number of measures the style was programmed over... i.e. can you substitute a part that was recorded over 4 measures, in a style where the part you are replacing was done over 8 measures.?

Nedim mentioned that the styles parts had to be of equal number measures in order to swap...plus be of the same time signature....so it doesn't matter?

You say "existing bass/audio table"....is that a selection of preset bass lines in the instruments ROM/RAM?

Thank you very much for finally making some sense out of the style editor issue...there was much confusion from the inaccurate/incomplete information offered so far.

Ian

ianmcnll

The style parts (measures and timing) do NOT have to match for AUDYA (Nadim is basing his response on the previous products [SD1, SD5 ... etc] where he is correct).

You can copy parts from a waltz 3/4 into a country 4/4 - not sure if you'd like the results in most cases but ... it can be done (both for AUDIO and MIDI).

Thanks.

AJ

Please please please I started this thread when and where is OS4, that's all I ask, no loops, no HDD, no liquidated damages, no potted history of Ketron, no sad people telling me it’s all my fault even though I know it really is, no people getting cross with each other, Christmas is coming it would be nice to play jingle bells on OS4, and old man in his last days, what more can I ask, is it tooooooooo much. They got a lot to answer for!

Thanks again AJ...that makes for pretty good control over style editing...the basic system itself seems to be as current as anything else out there.

That's definitely in the Audya's favor.

I appreciate your prompt reply, and I'm sure this will clarify things for most, if not all of us...I know it does for me.

I really found it hard to believe a TOTL arranger would be crippled with not having a decent style editor.

Ian

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Tony Hughes:
...and old man in his last days, what more can I ask, is it tooooooooo much...[QUOTE]

Ehhemmm, if that was me (even if noone knows when the last day arrive) I would
probably have other things in mind than OS4

Cheers
GJ

I just saw my name in this post, I don't work for Ketron, or have any special connection.

I did ask to be a beta tester for new OSs and so forth but it never happened.

So I also would like to know where OS4.0 is but I'm not having any problems with OS3.0 so I can wait.

Thanks


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Nedim, i thought you were the KETRON GURU ??? ;-)

Yes he were...emphasis on the were.

AJ be the new Guru.

Didn't you get an Audya yet, Lee? Sheeesh...I thought for sure you were under the Guru's spell and Sikh of that old out of date Korg PA2X-Con....

you must have me mistaken,

i do not have a Korg Arranger
i have the G-70 and Ketron XD3

and no AUDYA yet...

i'm waiting for the AUDYA2
or even better...
the AUDYA2 MODULE :-)

If the audya follow the same time table as SD1, you'll be waiting 6 years.

.....for the prototype.

Sorry my friend, it must be, the other Lee...gee!

I think you'll see a baby Audya first...soon as they discontinue this one, some of the technology will drift down....maybe.

Then again, a module wouldn't be too far astray.

The G70 is a cool instrument...sinfully heavy, but I guess we all got to pay for our sins.

It sounds some good, just the same!

Never heard or seen an XD3...is it a module, or is it a keyboard? If so, how many keys...how old?

Never see Ketron in my neck of the woods....I sure hear good things about them here on SZ.

Are they related to Solton?

Ian

Later edited to add... I find it!









[This message has been edited by ianmcnll (edited 11-24-2009).]

Ian,

The XD3 is the module of the XD9 (61 keys), it was released 2002.


Solton was a distributor, which just put there name on the keyboard. It was always made by Ketron Labs.

what else do you want to know?

[This message has been edited by mc (edited 11-24-2009).]

Thanks mc...a buddy of mine used to have a Solton module...must be 20 years ago...he had it hooked up (midi'd) to an accordion...sounded great...I remember the styles were particularly good, especially the Swing and Latin.

Ian

I,ve got an SD3 great live drums and Bass, but the the styles are no where near enough to make it viable.

I am annoyed that Ketron would not finish a product first before they start selling another one, yeah I know AJ has indicated that there are updates comming for SD5/SD3 but a year away, I mean come on, please before I would consider a $10k Aus$ keyboard it should have been perfected before it was released, and they should have developed what they already have sold.

I have divested myself of the Korgs, because of the failing led fiasco in the PA2X, and the early boards that were not right, I do thank Music Link Australia for fixing the issues in the end, but Korg should have had a recall to begin with, and also the Oasys which they are not developing further, I know they just released more sounds, the one thing that we all wanted was a sequencer that worked, (the same as the M3XP and M series) and a more flexible opp sys in the oasys, and they can't or wont give owners that, after they said they would further develop the board. and this was the one to end all. I mean it looks as though keyboard manufacturers are followibg the lead of software manufacturers, by releasing unstable systems and product in the hope that by some major miricle they will have all the bugs sorted before the disenchantment becomes more of a problem.

The good news is I now have the Tyros 3, and midied to a Fantom G7 you want punchy drums and bass, boy this thing rocks, and at under $10kAus$ for the lot, Ketron are really going to have to pull the fat out of the fire here. Audya needs to be $5k Aus and perfect before its in my sights

Sounds like the LED display was a real problem for Korg PA2XPro.. Wow. Sorry to read this.

Aj is a programmer, salesman, gentlemen and one & only Ketron guru!

oops almost forgot DAN01, which you'll find on X1 and SD1 video manuals for $29.95.....



[This message has been edited by mc (edited 11-24-2009).]

And who we find on Synth Zone for free!

Hi Robbo.



Fiasco ?

The problem was limited to a ““““very small””” number of keyboards produced back when the Pa2X was launched and KORG have taken care of anyone effected by replacing 2 LED boards free of charge.

I'd hardly call that a fiasco, more like a blip that KORG took care of.



230 free sounds released today for free, you can't crib about that. Sure it's not the continued development we all want, but hey, I'll take what I get and moan as much as possible to get more



What do you mean by that ? There is not one single known bug in the OASYS.

The OASYS Sequencer functions flawlessly as does every OASYS system. Sure it didn't get the Sequencer update we all asked for, but for what it does have it all functions flawlessly.



Sorry but I don't see that at all. OK, Ketron have for their first time ever totally taken the piss by releasing a keyboard far from being finished, but every other manufacture has their house well in order. Even ketron have a perfect track record up until the Audya and if they learn from all this, then we will never seem them doing anything as stupid ever again.

Regards
James

I have two PA800s and they both have a very long funky yellow streak on the inside of the screen. At first, my older board (non warranty) developed this, so I took my NEW board out and after 3 months, it did the very same thing Also have some other deficiencies that are bothersome, so the Korg is definitely not without its problems.

- My lowest Ab went out and then decided to start working again. Talk about a chord recognition nightmare.
- The button +/- advancement for the toggle no longer works.
- Two variation buttons sometimes stay lit together (even though the advanced one is what works)
- My 3rd variation doesn't work all the time.

But I love the board so much, I can overlook or fix.....

James, myself and a buddy can get a mint OASYS very cheap (estate sale) and it would be good to know what update was wanted...and, what do you feel the sequencer needed.

We've recently only been buying and selling Yamaha (we can get the parts easily if needed) but, we feel we might make an exception for the Korg, as I have a buyer/collector already in mind who will scoop it up very quickly.

The OASYS seems to a pretty decent unit, from what I've been hearing from you, and others...what was missing on the sequencer, and will it be an issue for someone that wants to use it in place of a sequencer that is PC based?

Ian

AJ is not a programmer and has not coded a single line of code on the Audya.

Salesman... Sure.

Gentlemen.... Totally, and the patience of a saint.

Guru, yes but I suspect Ketron have nothing at all to do with that either. The guys is just a natural because back when the Audya was being released there was a lot of disinformation coming out of Ketron which AJ himself made the mistake in quoting (anyone remember the 12:1 lossless compression talk). In a way I pity the guy having to deal with that but hey.... he clealy loves the challange. The state Ketron are in right now, they would be lost without him

Respect mate.

James

Zuki ... he said LED not LCD. There's a huge difference.

Your problem is something silly like you have the contrast too high or the temperature in the room has changed. All LCD displays regardless of make or model will have a higher contrast when they are cold, and a lower contrast when they are warmed up from use or hot from the room they are used in.

It's totally normal. Hell they all even look different from what angle you look at them.

Your other issues are probably smoothing silly also. That's why KORG Forums exists. If you have a problem, share it with others and it gets sorted. KORG even respond to anything that requires their attention.

Regards
James

Sorry mate, but you seem to think that ketron only makes the Audya. He's been involved with Ketron long before the audya.

[This message has been edited by mc (edited 11-24-2009).]

Hi Ian.



The wish lists are posted on KORG Forums but sort of spread out, so basically the the OASYS Sequencer has everything you need to write a song right now in full, heck it even has a full blown 16 Audio Tracks recorder that run along side the 16 Midi Tracks. So it's fully functional and then some. No other keyboard sequencer I know of can do much of what the OASYS can.

The things people wanted where based on the history of KORG more so than the OASYS itself. Its more about how things haven't changed much in how things function rather than all the new features that were added.

People wanted stuff like Piano Roll editing and so on in addition to the way KORG take are of all these requirements in the first place.

So it's more about total interrogation of the systems in addition to a few DAW like features that people wanted. Either way the Sequencer is fully functional as it stands.

I mentioned in this tread about how it works with KORG, they really do listen and if you ask for the impossible, chances are you will get it from them. In this case we didn't get everything we wanted but we did pretty good on other systems.

I know the function of a company is to make a profit, but I will tell you straight out that KORG are the only company I know of that give you the impression that they lock the accounts in the back room. You only need to look at their You Tube video's and hanging out with them to know that they are the same as us. Musicians.

Regards
James.

Hi MC.

How did you jump to the conclusion that you believe I only think Ketron make one keyboard ?

I don't even understand what your point is as the problems I'm referring surrounding AJ's 12:1 only surfaced when the Audya was announced by Ketron.

I have the memory of an elephant, and this is the second time I will say this. The problems surrounding the Audya have nothing to do with AJ. It's all ketron's fault.

Be it miss information, or the lack of systems included with the keyboard upon it's launch. None of this has anything to do with AJ.

Regards
James.


[This message has been edited by Irishacts (edited 11-24-2009).]

Thanks James...this information is invaluable.

The OASYS seems to be a decent rig...I'll probably pick it up the weekend.

The last Korg we bought and sold was a PS-3200 analog synthesizer, probably made around the late 70's...looked like a cross between a night storage heater, and one of those early telephone exchanges.

It was remarkably well preserved...kept in an attic above an old night club...in a home made (but well made) road case.

All it needed was a thorough cleaning, and a new cable that attached the keyboard to the main unit...we had one made up.

Fully poly...48 keys, 48 notes, and only 16 memory locations, but the sounds were pretty awesome....surprisingly rich, and modern in their complexity, and like all analogs, plenty of substance.

Micro-tonal possibilities, seven band equalizer...even two limiters.

Weird terminology...oscillators were called "signal generators" and resonance was called "peak"...even tracking, was referred to as "keyboard balance".

Built like a tank, and we learned quickly that it was a rare beast...almost mythic status.

Also went through several Korg CX-3 (and a two manual BX-3) organs...the old series...also built very well, and sounded very nice...very Hammondy.

They made, and still make, a quality product...almost as good as Yamaha (couldn't resist that last comment).

Actually all the synths back then were pretty well made...and heavy...we had a Yamaha GS-1 that weighed at least 200 lbs.

There I go, digressing once more...thanks again for the information.

Ian

Hi Ian.

Sorry about errors in my typing on the last post to you and others. I'm on my iPhone here typing away and my perdict text needs to be reset. Not that it's easy to say so much using the iPhone anyway.

It's 4 am here so no time for using my PC. Need to get some sleep now, lots to do tommorow.

Regards
James

Sorry Frank,

But Frank OS4 is going to be mind blowing it's not just fix problems and there are problems in OS3, thats why it's taking so long.

Regrads

Finally some facts that the Audya really does have style editing.

It seems like with the current Audya, you can mix a style and edit a style.
With mixing you can change volume, effect, pan levels of each style part. and change sounds for each part.

Style editing or as Ketron calls it “AUDIO STYLE MORPHING” is equivalent to what a lot of person do on their Yamaha. Swapping parts from one style to another.
Since a lot of persons use style editing (as admitted by some users) and a lot of them are Yamaha users, the Audya would be a good buy for those who were thinking about getting a Yamaha but may want something different.


And it looks like style creation (like what the Korg users would want) would be available on OS 4.

Once most, if not all of the actual bugs (not just user errors or gripes[like what James said was happening with Korg})
Are corrected Audya could be an arranger that could give Yamaha a run for its money especially for those customers who Yamaha ignored.

Functions (code) I wrote for the SD1 Plus and SD5 (some of which are also now used in AUDYA) include (but are not limited to) ...

* DISK MANAGEMENT
* VOICE MANAGEMENT
* STYLE MANAGEMENT
* GUI & FUNCTION ASSIGNMENT

I am also involved in style programming.

... just for further clarifaction to some text writen above.

Thanks,

AJ

PS: As is the case with most manufacturers, 'Specifications are subject to change without notice' is an area I have no control over so when we agree to a design and a prototype is built on that but for some reason (or another) changes are made in the production line, THIS is out of my hands! The information I provide is with what I have now / know today but (as has been proven before) could change tomorrow! This is pretty standard in this industry for the most part.

Thinking is one thing being is another, the Audya i tried and still work on OS 3 still
wont copy Var to Var or whatever it is if its
not same measures and TS.
Dont believe anything you hear in here, dont believe me either, just try it yourself.

Thinking is one thing being is another, the Audya i tried and still work on OS 3 still
wont copy Var to Var or whatever it is if its
not same measures and TS.
Dont believe anything you hear in here, dont believe me either, just try it yourself.

The yellow streak is PERMANENT. It has nothing to do with the contrast, believe me. All other problems are not silly (are you kidding?). They are real and require money to fix, just like anything else. I don't believe anyone, other than a technician, could fix my problem.

Saying that Yamaha has "ignored customers" is a false statement...and this comes from you, you who always say everything should be based on the facts....hah! What a joke!

Tyros1/2/3 users (and PSR2K/3K/S900/S910 users) have been incredibly supported by Yamaha...you should read Yamaha forums and get your facts straight before you go spouting off with your so called "facts".

Most of us here have only been able to get facts about the Audya through what has been posted by users, so whatever was said by these people, about the Audya's faults, bugs, and present state of operation is what we have to go on and, thankfully AJ has finally cleared things up for all concerned...including you, my Genesys playing friend.

But to claim that Yamaha does not support it's present customers, with absolutely no proof at all is seriously putting your integrity at it's lowest level...lower than snake's bellybutton in a wagon rut.

Go read the forums and then come back with some actual knowledge about this subject...don't waste forum space with things you obviously know nothing about.

And again, don't bother bringing up the PSR-9000 Pro...that is so old and so obviously desperate of you...that was 10 years ago, and bears no relevance to what we are discussing here in the present...nor should you bring up Korg's LED issues, or the G-70's poor OS when introduced....all these companies have learned from their mistakes, and have moved on with improved support.

Your company deserted you, and you are left with an instrument without factory support...please don't take your anger and frustration out on decent companies like Roland, Yamaha and Korg, that are continually improving and implementing great customer support and working to keep their products problem free ....even Audya is doing pretty good in that department.

Please, do us and yourself a favour and deal with things that are actually happening, or that might happen in the future....the past is a canceled cheque, and nothing can be done about it...except to learn from it.

Let's hope Ketron learns from this issue, and hopefully before it causes serious damage to it's good name and reputation.

Ian

Hello Zuki...I agree Your "Problems" are not silly!...That's a poor remark for someone to make when they are not the one's having to deal with it...
Even though the Korg arrangers are wonderful, they are not with their problems..Many complaints about the button quality on their keyboards...PLUS the LED Issue is far from over...There should have been a recall from the beginning...Problems even still after the replacement boards...Go to the Korg forum and research it...Alot of people had to fight to have the Issues fixed!...The BAD thing about it all...How could anyone even consider buying a pre-owned PA2X?...The cost is really high to have the two boards replaced!...I personally would Not consider one even though the Keyboard with all it has to offer would be on My wish list...Hopefully Korg takes care of these Issues on the next Model Replacement...We have to be carefull not to BASH one Keyboard and Fully Praise a Imperfective another...I respect Your response Zuki...I know The PA800 Does a Great job for You in Your Music Endeavors...Just My two cents...Harold

Aj is an engineer for Ketron. He helps with design plus implementing ideas and features.

He is as close to being a guru as you can get. I am certaion he knows every code on every Ketron product and created some as well.

i find the above FUNNY as hell

the AUDYA's styles smoke YAMAHA's hands down
unless of course you like you styles sounding thin, metallic, and midilike,

personally i prefer my arranger to sound like a band with real musicians

Now that's strange, Lee...I find your comments rather inaccurate.

Yamaha styles are compressed, even, and natural sounding, and are preferred by those of us who like a "finished" and high quality sound.

You may prefer the Audya's alleged "live" sound, but maybe you don't play many complex chords...the Audya's necessary workaround using an audio and midi mixture of the guitar parts, in order to get around complex chords, might not matter much to you...or may be it would?

Have you actually tried one? Played some complex chords?

I like an arranger that reads all the chords, and produces a cohesive, even, and detailed sound that seems to be the preference of pros and home users alike....Yamaha fulfills that promise.

So do Roland and Korg.

But to each his own...there will be those who will prefer the Audya's rather curious way of interpreting guitar chords,

With the Tyros3 and PSR-S910, Yamaha has moved ahead even further, with their implementation of a new Guitar Mode in their styles...pretty awesome.

Roland and Korg, also do neat tricks with guitar parts...and, all these instruments, like the Yamaha, are fully working production models....the Audya...mmmm...not so much

Ian

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The Audya's audio/midi guitar parts are like needing two guitar players in your "band"...one that plays the simple chords, and the other to add the notes to make them complex....using a guitar that sounds almost the same.

Great "band", eh?

I think you guys are intentionally not reading anything posted here. How come I can say one thing and then you guys see the complete opposite. Just was well we are communicating by text because anyone can go back and read what was really said.

As for AJ being an engineer, I didn't say he wasn't. I never said either way actually.



Again....I never said he wasn't nor have I disagreed with anyone on that either.



I'm not prepared to discuss that because I see no point in publicly pulling is real position in Ketron apart on the forum. The fight is not with AJ, it's with Ketron and their behaviour.

If you have any respect for AJ, you will drop the discussion about him. The issues at hand have NOTHING to do with him.

Regards
James

Ian,

i and many other musicians have heard an AUDYA side by side with a TYROS3 at a gig through a REAL soundsystem

and let me tell you NIGHT and DAY
the AUDYA "punched" the crap out of the TYROS3

and thats not just MY opinion BUT, all other musicians present, 10 in total to be exact

have you A/B'd these 2 in a REAL LIVE situation through a REAL soundsystem,
(not listening to demos on headphones, or through a logitech sound system)

if not, you should, and i KNOW you too would embrace the AUDYA :-)

This is exactly why when addressing you I mentioned KORG Forums existing for issues like this. You make no real attempt to even describe the problem yet you will put the effort into moaning about it rather than getting help. Like what are you saying here... Your keyboard is faulty and KORG won't help you ?. Is that it ?

The yellow streak, define it, post a photo of it, at least put in the effort to explain yourself properly and you will get the right advice. Do a search for Contrast knob on KORG Forums and you will see just how common that is the solution screen problems. Thats exactly why I suggested this to you.

Are you outside your warranty. These are all the things you need to be saying in order to get help.

Regards
James

" I see no point in publicly pulling is real position in Ketron apart " ..

It's obvious you have a problem with Ketron and you seem to have an opinion that would call in to questions AJ's position with Ketron.

Your even calling into question a forum member can diagnose whether his screen problem is a real problem or not.

Certainly more people might embrace it if it was a lot cheaper, it was bug-free, and the issues with the audio/midi guitar chording were resolved.

I'll probably never get to actually play one, as I doubt if any dealers in my region would risk investing in the product, at least as it stands today.

It still appears to be a work in progress.

Ian

I wouldn't want to embrace anything that cost me £4200.00 and is likely to blow up or stop work, like making love to a women with no pulse!

with OS1 it was a work in progress
with OS2 it was a better work in progress
with OS3 it was a great work in progress
with OS4 it'll be an awesome work in progress

and you know what i hope the progress never ends,

just because other manufacturers end the OS updates, does not mean it's a complete and finished work. there's always more to add, and unfortuntely most others stop the progress :-)

i hope the AUDYA goes to OS 5,6,7,8...

let this "work of progress continue....."



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Don't knock it ..till you try it...

Don't knock it ..till you try it...


Once should be enough...

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Yes I hope the Audya updates continue...and, I hope it stays in production long enough to clear up the problems.

When are you getting yours?

Ian

i'll get mine when the progress yields the AUDYA2 or the AUDYA2 module with 1TB HD and 2GB RAM :-)

Since it was released without many major systems and that they are only getting added when Ketron get around to it.

Maybe they should charge only half the price since it's only half a keyboard. You can pay them the other half the 5 Grand when they get it to the point where it has the same basic functions as any other arranger on release date.

Gee that kinda sounds like another fellow I know, but he complains about a different manufacture.

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I see...sort of a retirement gift for yourself.

Thankfully you have the G-70...it's robust enough to last until then.

Ian

If this is the way you are trying to rebuild your credibility as a clinician, its not working.

It is very ironic that you accused me of assuming too much but that is the exact thing that you are doing.

Saying the Yamaha has ignored customers was referring to those who want a 76 key arranger. It was in no way referring to the Yamaha 9000 pro.
As a Yamaha customer using the xs, I and others would like a 76 key MOTL or TOTL arranger. There are other Yamaha customers who have 61 key keyboards that want a 76 keyboard. As you have pointed out many time Yamaha is not interested in that market.
So that is where Ketron and the Audya comes in.

But I take it you went on this rant because you were caught in willfully spreading assumptions and incorrect statements regarding the Audya. Before AJ told things in more detail, an actual Audya user gave us some information about style editing on the Audya, but you chose not to believe it an continued to spread your misrepresentations and erroneous information about the Audya.
It is now beginning to ruin your credibility as an independent arranger clinician (if that ever existed). With your most recent post on the Audya has exposed even more that you are here to promote Yamaha.

You were talking about the Audya (an arranger you have never tried), stating untruths like the Audya is a work in progress and insinuating that Ketron will be soon out of business.
These statements are significant coming from you because the Audya and Ketron are Yamaha arrangers competitors; Yamaha a company you use and get paid from.

So if you are bashing a keyboard you have never played while working for its competitor, how can any one take you seriously?


And I don’t believe that Korg, Roland and Yamaha have really learned from any thing. Putting out upgrades and bugs fixes is the name of the game in this business.


Korg had some issues when the PA2x pro first came out. Did they “learn”. No. They came out with OS 2.0 which IMO should have been there from the very first release of the PA 2x pro.

Roland had some issues with the G70 but did they “learn” from it? No. They made the GW8 but had an update to include style editing which IMO should have been there from the very beginning.


Yamaha had some issues with the 9000 pro. Did they “learn” from it? No. they came out with the PSR S900. They then made a PSR S910 which IMO, the PSR S900 should have been.

Gem had some issues with the SK 760. Did they learn from it? No. They came out with the Genesys. They then released the Genesys S which IMO the first Genesys should have been.


Ian the Ironic, I wish you the best in trying to rebuild your credibility and trying to persuade persons to start taking you seriously.

Thanks pal...Mmmmm....I know there was a point you were trying to make in your reply, but it escapes me entirely.

You are still angry over GEM dumping you...that's understandable.

I am not bashing the Audya, just trying to find out the real facts like everybody else.

You, on the hand, don't seem to have much self control, and you can't seem to restrain yourself from attacking me...anger seems to open the mouth, and close the mind, in your case.

My credibility is just fine with the people that matter....you're just one of them....but, I still think you are a nice guy...just a little angry and lost, for the moment.

Cheers,

Ian

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Did I miss something? Did I ever say I was angry over GEM “dumping” me?
I guess that is another one of your mistruths.

And I am not attacking you.
If you are taking it that way please don’t because I am not or that is not my intention.


To modify a famous phrase, I am attacking the behavior not the person.

That's good...I'm glad you're not angry.

So are you attacking Ketron, or the Audya, or their behavior?

I'm just concerned about the Audya's behavior.

And, no matter how you try and spin it...it is still a work in progress.

Not finished....still finishing it...needs to be finished.

Hopefully soon.

I don't know Lee, there is a 7+/- year difference between the Sd1 and the Audya, just as there is a 4-5 year difference between xd3 and the sd5.

We may see a t4, pa3x, G? by the time the a new (Audya 2)flagship arranger is released by ketron. I like the fact the ketron does not release flagship arrangers every couple of years. For me, the next leap over than really makes it worth while.

Hey James,

I forgot my password on how to get into the forum. I can then discuss the issues, as you suggest. It will interesting to see if anyone else has the yellow smear, inside the display (on both boards, very weird).

With its problems, it remains my favorite board of all time and I wouldn't swap out for any reason other than it just shutting down

I look forward to the next generation of Korg. Can't believe they could come up with a better product.....

Firstly, can I say that I never would have wanted anyone to think that I was knocking the Korg products for sound and some fantastic features, they certainly have that. My gripe is that it took some time before the factory would even give creedence to the faulty leds and boards that were installed in models, you say "irish acts" these are only early models, i think there is still some conjecture in forums as to whether that may be the case.
I felt uncomfortable in live situ with the board and the worry was that it would freeze and fail at gigs when i could least afford it, so thats why I sold the pa2x, and i'm probably sure that it will be a good servant to its buyer, after the intevention by Music Link Australia to fix the ailing parts, I just wonder I hope that the ongoing probs in the factory have really been corrected and the next release will have a more stable outcome.

The Oasys, the best sounding $15k Synth ever made, no doubt about it, I sold mine for $6k 88 noter, almost cried, but as I said so anoyed that Korg really led us up the garden path with the "this is the one to end them all" promotions and speech, and I know that if Gerry and Dan at Korg could have prevailed over the Japanese heads of the company, this may have turned out differently.

On to Audya, I think I said kick ass drums and bass with the SD3/SD5 but Audya at $10k Aus is way too high, I learnt my lesson with the Oasys never again, and as I said the costing of the Tyros 3 and the Fantom G7 at less than the Audya, is going to make it an awfull hard sell, even at a perfect release. So what I hope and I'm sorry to say, particulary for those who have parted with cash, is that Audya will be at some stage be Audya2 perfected, a price to match or even not so far away from its competitors, and then i'm in town!!!

Did the Audya come with all the features that it said it had in the manual?
No: then it is a work in progress
Yes: then it is the finished product, and any updates and features added later are just a bonus

Did it have bugs at launch?
No; Then it is a finished product
Yes: then some work is still needed, however once all the first bugs are cured then it becomes a complete instrument.

Question for Audya owners
What are the answers to the above questions, as this will confirm whether it is a finished product or not.

Bill

Abacus,

What is it when you have had the KB for a few months and then you find a bug, work in progress, bollock, or finished article. Who says it's finished surley not Ketron, must be the users, if you have not had any bugs for the last 4 yrs it's a finished product

And probably discontinued as well ....

Jonny this is the 2nd thread I have started that's gone into 6 pages.You have help with your input, when are you going to buy that Audya.

Tony

As I've already said many times, if they did not charge the Norwegians twice as much as other
Audya buyers around the world, I would have bougt at once when it came into the store.
Just now I'm counting between wait and see regarding both if pricelevel lower a bit and how
the OS4 reports going to be, or if I should just add a Korg PA2X Pro and maybe have just as
much fun for less money.
Sadly I was stupid enough to sell the Sd1, but as long as the G-70 works as it does, I'm not
in any hurry, but new toys are always fun .... at least for a while.

Cheers
GJ

This has been a busy thread and I think it’s grinding to a halt, they all do, I will try and keep it going by come in from another angle. We all bought our Audya in good faith, I never envisaged that my KB was not a completed product, if I had known what was about to unfold I wouldn’t have bought it, that’s a fact. Now Ketron know that it’s not finished, this is heavily implied by the fact they are not charging for upgrades yet. Ketron are crafty, like a boat load of monkeys, they know whilst they are adding goodies in the upgrades, letting it out via their people on the ground that there are more voices etc on the next upgrade etc they are buying time to fix the bollocks on previous upgrades. I have looked in the mirror this morning and I haven’t got a bolt through my neck, but I do look freaking stupid, I actually feel stupid as well. Even though Ketron have let it out that OS4 is busting with goodies, its nowhere to be seen, they have us on the hook and I have the brain if a cod or an ameba. I am like a rabbit in the headlight just waiting to be hit by what Ketron want to hit me with. I still cannot get an answer that this thread started out with, a week, a month, I don't know. The £4200.00 I paid for the KB is still about £2000.00 short on OS and I would like mine £2000.00 worth now, have a sneaky feeling it’s not going to happen.

Cheers


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Take a look at Auyda sales ranking, 13 is unlucky for some!
http://www.thomann.de/gb/prod_vrank~ncx.html?ar=231182

What the hell is B ware?

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B Ware/Stock = Opened/damaged box etc

No 5 is a pretty good position for an expensive board, and is mixing it with Yamaha and Korg, which bodes well for its future.

Bill

Oooo that's not good.

B-Stock are normally returned items under the 30 day money back offer at Thomann.

For the same keybaord to make the same list twice as New and as a returned item says a lot.

For those who don't know Thomann, they are freaking huge. They sell to all Europe they are so big.

What suprises me even more is that the PA2X PRO is all the way down to 7. Would think it should be on the top with Yamaha. #5 for Audya. Much better than I would guess, with the high price. One returned? not bad, when they sell to whole Europe.

Perhaps the two Audyas that Don had are in Thompson B stock, look out for them they have 2 fork lift marks all down the KB. .I think I will email them and see how many Audyas they have B Class - sounds like a Mercedes




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Maybe it's German for BEWARE ?!!

Usuallay a B-Ware is "second class stuff", maybe as mentioned above, some that been
returned cause of buyer not lucky with the deal and used the 30 day return policy
or/and item get scratched somehow.
Or, it might as well be demo models or guarantee repaired stuff. But 100 Euro off
is not that much, would rather buy a brand new one for that small difference.

Cheers
GJ

One pieces means you get one keyboard for the price listed silly

Look at the title of the list. It sales ranking, meaning that the B-Stock is the 13th most popular item they have on their cart in the keyboard caragory.

You have to sell a lot of B-Stock to get 13th place.

Regards
James

Jonny,

You are so kind to Ketron, B is simply buggered - in the UK in means no good, finished, had it, done for, shot, not fit for purpose. Wonder if B means and old Beta version prior to OS1.

Perhaps the two Audyas that Don had are in Thompson B stock, look out for them they have 2 fork lift marks all down the KB."

No, the Boxes had marks, not the keyboards.
Both mine were sent to AJ for repair. I'm sure they are fine now.

AJ answered the question "Where is OS4?" He said it was held up to add a new feature that customers were requesting.
As to WHEN, I'm hoping it's soon.

Several of the local musicians, including HankB and SemiLive, came by the club Wednesday night. They had nothing but good things to say about the Audya styles and sound.
DonM

All,

if AUDYA is such an UNFINISHED product, then why is it #5 in sales and the FINISHED Korg PA2X Pro is #9 ?? even when AUDYA is WAY more expensive...

maybe Nedim knows ??

Your blatantly ignoring that it's also listed 13th on the list for B-Stock, meaning that the majority of the people who bought it returned it within 30 days.


The pa2X is out a lot longer than the Audya so the Pa2X sales peak is well and truly over.

Leezone,

Audya from thompsn is 3699 Euros in the UK the thing is £4200.00 it's an arm and leg I bet if someone did the same sales chart in the UK, Audya would be bottom of the list

Anyway I am sick of OS4 it sucks and I haven't seen our heard it yet!

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It have to be taking in account that the PA800 is number 3. The PA2x and the PA800 are basically the same keybord (minus the 76 keys and others options).
A lot of people prefer the PA800 because:

- Less money
- Less weight
- Speakers
- Same music content as PA2x

I check with store managers in the US (GC and Sam Ash) and the PA800 out sells the PA2x 2 to 1.

aaaaah, maybe Doctor Nedim can help you......

I don't know, maybe will all that button pushing, your audya caught a cold.

MC

Almost right - I caught a cold buying it.

It must be that UK climate then, here in the states things are looking just fine....

But, this "ranking" list don't tell anything about how many items
sold. And that would maybe change the whole picture.

AJ, how many Audya sold world wide, and how many sold i.e. in USA
or Europe?

You know, if I sell 2 Tyros and 1 Audya, the Tyros sale would show
double sales in the statistic.

To have a good ranking list, you also need to supply the numbers
and figures the list are based on.

GJ

3 in the States, DonM had them all, two went back and one he's got, if you buy one Jonny that will be one sold in Europe, don't ask anyone how many have been sold they won't tell you, there all in the Freemasons.

Tony



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It's based on their sales in that category to all Europe and trust me, Thomann are huge here in Europe.



Ketron will never release that information. No manufacture would ever do that.

Hi Zuki.
Click Login at the top of the forum and then forgot password.

What's the story on your warranty also ? Has it run out, and where in the world are you. If your in the Europe then you have a 2 year warranty by law.

Regards
James

I think Zuki is in the USA, where the warranty is 1 year, by gum!

James,

Did you say the Korg had some new free software out.

Tony

Nope, not that I recall. What was it in relation to ?

They did release an OS for the OASYS plus 250 new sounds just a few days ago for free.

Regards
James

That was it James sorry I thought it was for the PA2x, I am going to order that stick from Germany what did you think of it.

Tony

I haven't really looked into it much myself to be honest. For what demo's people have posted online, it sounds great but beyond that I've not really look into what it has to offer.

Sorry, not much help to you I know.

Regards
James

In regards to the stick, if'n you don't like Schlager styles, they do make great fodder for making other styles from them in Style Assembly.

From what I understand, from Rikki, the Korg has a terrific style creator/editor.

Ian

Things were getting a little boring, so here post 250 for this thread.

So for you Audya users, how's it going?

where's 4.0?

It should be out in time for Christmas. Just dotting "i's" and crossing "t's" at the testing phase.

Thanks,

AJ

AJ,

can you tell us the major improvements/additions at this point in time?

- style/pattern edit/creation
- lots of new sounds
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AJ, this will be great news as long as Ketron are not dotting the T's and crossing the I's, Oh and bugger the bugs please, nice to hear from you at this festive time and that goodies are on the way, I don't believe in Father Christmas myself but on this occasion I will make an exception, seeing is believing.I don't think we have done bad, I started this thread about 3 weeks back, 254 items, 7 pages, it's been painful but if it gets results for the Ketron swingers that's all the matters "No Matter What" 300 new voices pressing buttons like the are going out of fashion, Doh watch out for those new lockupssssssss.



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Leezone, No, not yet it's not finished it's work in progress, can't you just wait until Xmas like the rest of us, anyway have you got an Audya, if not get one for Xmas with OS4 what could be better, blow your socks off!

It should include pattern creation, pattern edit was already introduced with OS3. also new guiters for user 1 as stated below, plus some goodies to be named at the time of release.


Previous Post: OS3.0

. AUDIO STYLE MORPHING. This feature completed in AUDYA (as of OS3.0) allows the user to do the following ...

A. Take an existing style and EDIT it to ..
B. Replace its Midi parts (chords, bass drums) with those from another style OR those from it's internal library and save as a user style
C. Replace it's AUDIO drum-1 track with an audio drum track from another style or an audio drum track from the internal data bass OR the USER AUDIO DRUMS (audio drums created by end users), OR midi drum tracks from either another style or the Midi Drum data bass.
D. Replace the Audio bass line from a style with that from another style or a midi bass line from either another style or the internal bass table.
E. Replace the Audio guitar (chord 5) with that from another style or another audio guitar from either the internal audio table or the USER GUITAR table (soon to be populated in OS4.0 with more guitar loops) or simply a midi guitar part from another style or internal table.

You can load new styles into AUDYA (either styles converted for use on other Ketron product from other manufacturers, or other Ketron official styles or styles created on other Ketron products). The edit capability above ALSO applies to these styles (user styles).

2. STYLE EDIT (current) AND STYLE CREATE (4.0):- With OS 4.0 you will be able to CREATE NEW STYLES (i.e start from scratch and lay down an entire new drum, bass, chord tracks that currently do not exist in AUDYA). You can also incoorporate the above MORPHING feature with this newly created style.

Hope this clarifies this.

3. STYLE MIX. In STYLE VIEW - you can MIX (change volume, effect, pan .. etc levels of each style part) and EDIT (change parts [midi and audio alike] styles and save as a new user style.

MC,

Now thats the bit that worrys me "It should" those are two words that I don't like to hear in the context with Ketron, It will, it shall, there will be, it has, it will have, all turn me on, but IT SHOULD INCLUDE should is one of those words included in a line with one of these at the end????? or in the case of Ketron?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? should is negative. And with ketron there are more questions than answers.

Cheers MC

Don't worry guys, the world ends in 21/12/2012 anyway

Nahhh, I think we're going to be disapointed in 2012,
it's more likely 21/12/2112 .....
Another disapointment, I'm probably not here to witness the fun at that time.

Cheers
GJ

James,

Is that how Ketron are going to get out of finishing the Audya, crafty sods, only someone from the Emerald Isle would think of that, not the Italians, James have a look at the music on my Audya stand, you will need to zoom in.

Tony

http://donmasonmusic.com/Tony%20Audy.jpg

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You can't get more Irish than The Furey Brothers and Davey Arthur.

Do you know The Red Rose Cafe ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9z9ztKDX0T4

It's the same guys, but probably a more famous song.

Or this one, same guys again. Fast farward to 1min http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8rULrp_J5E

lol.... It's almost the Irish National Anthem.

James,

They are great those pipes are fantastic, do you have the music. If you played the Korg PA2x (When You Were Sweet Sixteen), what style would you use.

Tony

The music on my Audya stand, then you will know what James and me are on about.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WonYt3wOLcE

Cheers Tony

I play it with the Banjo on the Audya

I sure do, I have their music book somwhere which even has the fingering for the Tin Whistle under ever note.



I'd obviosuly lean towards a Slow Waltz, but I'd probably add a Pad Sequencing to simulate some piano arpeg. So mainaly a very simply waltz with some light picking of notes to keep the momentum.

Regards
James

Have a listen to this one. Written and performed by me.

It has sort of an Enya flavour but more moderen with a dash of Uilleann pipes.
http://www.irishacts.com/leanbh-mo-chroi/Track%2002%20-%20Leanbh%20Mo%20Chroi.mp3

Regards
James

Well I used the word "it should" but AJ previous post, he states that pattern creation will be included in OS4.0

James,

Don't give up you day job, I am speachless, you won't get that sound out of the Ketron that's any ketron and perhaps never will, why do you go on about it been so bloody good, it's not, I hope more people play this and listen to it, I wanted The Day Thou Gavest at my funeral I think I have change my mind.

Thanks

James

Thanks, glad you like it. I wrote that tune for KORG. I was one of the sound designers behind the factory sounds on the Triton Extreme and part of my work was to write a demo tune using only the Triton Extreme, so I did and that's why that tune now exists.



I wouldn't say I've been a great promoter of how great Ketron keyboards sound, they do the job to a point that just doesn't merit any negative feedback in my opinion. They sound fine to me but most importantly their style programmers are excellent.

My only beef with Ketron is their shameless behaviour and the state the Audya was released in. Right now I just see them as greedy little pigs trying to turn a profit on a failed project that's still not finished.



lol... We better sort out a copyright free for public performances then.

Regards
James

Just beautiful, lovely sound.

So are "When You Were Sweet Sixteen", the other song I listened to so far.
Something about Irish flavoured music, the mood / feeling are magic!

Cheers
GJ

Never too old to learn something new Jonny, hey Jonny Abba wrote some nice music, from your party of world.

James,

I put the Korg back on the stand.


Cheers.

That's very true, probably more people than me who learned that fact already.
And also this post and a surf at YouTube made me order two albums by The Fureys.

When are you going to release a CD James?

Happy Playing
GJ

I already did and you can download the entire thing for free.
http://www.irishacts.com/leanbh-mo-chroi/

It's my own original work.

Enjoy.

Regards
James

Downloaded your CD James, nice downloadspeed, took just a few minutes. Thanks!

The only one of the titles I could find "familiar" are Cleopatra. are the rest native language or related to places?
I wrote in your guest book that I would find my headphones, but your music need to sound and float free through the
stereo, and I love a bit volume.......

Maybe you should put a "PayPal donate" button on your pro designed webpages as well?

Keep on the good work.

Cheers
GJ

Hi GJ.



Yes, they are named in my language. Cleopatra is the same in English as it is in Irish. If you want to know what each track means, if you go back to the website and look at the song list you will see the English translation in brackets.

The English translations is not part of the file name though so you only get to see both the English and Irish names when view directly on my website. When you download the files you only get the Irish names.



I always said I would give the CD away for free, but this recession is killing me. I might actually put a donation button up there. Lord knows I could do with it and I wouldn't be really charging for the songs I guess.

Thanks for the suggestion. These are hard times for sure here and I might just do what you suggest.

Hope you really enjoy the music. Listening on headphones is also highly recommended too because I spent a lot of time sequencing random notes that fly all over the stereo spectrum. The amount of time spent on all the little details is something I hope people get to enjoy as much as I do.

Kind Regards
James

this is all great, BUT

could we PLEASE stay on topic

when is 4.0 coming out? :-)

AJ had said around christmas, so three weeks from now.

Relax nobody is hijacking the thread
There has been very little activity lately and the harmless banter is a nice break away from all the arguing.

Save your energy for the disappointment of the release.

There's nothing wrong with taking time out to talk about a little music.

Leezone,

I have a side bet on with James that this thread is going to make 10 pages, yours just helped me by one, please reply to this one, please any Tosh will do, Viagra from the Opticians.

Cheers

PS do you know when OS4 is out not just innuendo?




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I know about sostenuto, arpeggio, accelerando, pianissimo, etc., but innuendo? Just kiddin' ya Tone - and helping out on your ten-page quest.

No way man, that money is mine.


Ketron are going to release OS 4.0 before then and its going to have a Sequencer and everything else the keyboard is missing. They will all function so perfectly that nobody will have a single thing to say and you will not collect on that bet because of it

I'm deadly serious, I have the inside scoop on this

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James,

You are a tease, I didn't say when did I, perhaps I did, I don't no which year that was it!

Come clean James, whats the SP and OS4, morethanmyjobsworth is it! The men with a violin case will come knocking on the door tonight if you get it wrong!

I can just see Fat Tony from the Simpson's pulling a Tommy Gun out of a Violin case right now

Regards
James

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This is the kind of nonsense that is making Synthzone so boring for so many people. Just two or three guys posting (tosh) just for the sake of reaching 10 pages. The original question has long since been asked and answered (sometime before xmas, ok) and the rest is mostly crapola. I'm sorry for contributing to this ridiculous goal but I posted anyway, hoping to deter or discourage others from contributing to the continuation of this nonsense. JMO, of course.

chas

Come on now, have you no scene of humour at all left in you. There's no bet to reach 10 pages. It's only a joke.

Lighten up man.

i say we lock/close this thread :-)
it has served its purpose

Leezone,

I must now admit you are right, it's time to pull stumps (cricket) this thread had resolved nothing and thrown up more questions than answers, just goes to show that after 8 pages or is it 9 now we have not got one official answer via anyone about the progress or lack of progress on the Audya, the crap about Ketron reading SZ and caring is floored, there is about as much chance that Ketron would read and take notice of SZ as me reading the telephone directory. It is sad that they have survived and I cannot think of anything else that I have bought in my life that the manufactures has performed in this manner, costumer care out the window, if there is only me and James see it that way then Doh! One lad from Ireland and one from England there’s your answer. Beware,If you start replying to this I will win my bet!

Cheers Tony

Agreed. The question has been asked and answered. After the question was answered,
the children are still continuing to play.

Lol...

lol... giving up already and OS 4.0 is not even out.


You guys didn't even put up a fight.
I vote for this thread to stay open. There is no reason to close it, people are not fighting and shouting each other down. It's been a very well behaved dialogue actually.

Regards
James

I agree...keep it open. It has been quite civilized, actually, and I'm enjoying the dialogue...it will eventually drift back on topic.

Ian

"As I grow older, I pay less attention to what men say. I just watch what they do" (Andrew Carnegie) Have a nice weekend
Cheers
skude

Skude,

I know Andrew, he bought an Audya and it locked up on him, he bought it from the same dealer as I did, I think he sent it back and got his money back, I ring him today and let you know!

I really love the SD3/SD5 and was kinda hoping that the Audya would be about $6k aus dollars, (would have bought it in a wink of an eye, and i guess a number of others would too. Even with the problems, (based on the SD3 experience) believe me the drums and bass in the SD kick A##. So I really think that when it is right, the price will become competative, and then it will be interesting. I bet Yammy and Korg are watching this with great interest, and maybe their next models will have some of the live modelling that the Audya has, I also hope that in the wait for the Audya price, that more styles for the SD3/SD5 are on the way, because its too limiting as it is.

Count down for OS4.0 begins ...

5 ...

AJ,

should we do the countdown along with the new year on dec. 31 ?

AJ,

Is this 5 days, weeks or months, you got all us Audya nuts going now if it's days,
Merry Christmas, AJ and Ketronnnnnnnnnn.
n for software versions ie OSn in anticipation for OS5.

Regards All Tony

God I have just realized please let it be weeks AJ, because if it's days it will be released on the 13th, please please not the 13th. Can't be the 13th thats a Sunday and Ketters don't work on Sunday, Church and in the Pub!

13 is just a number. Happens to be my birthday, July 13.
BTW 300 is just a number.
DonM

Don,

Lucky day for you the 13th, but what year, what day did your birthday fall on. In the UK Friday the 13th is a bad day, not certain why but it is.

Cheers Don hope you see many more 13th's

Tony

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4 ... (count down) ....

AJ,

we hope the counter's batteries don't run out when it hits 1...

< Sarcasm >

Oh, the excitement. ….
4 days to go when it will be a little closer to what it should have been on it's release date. Ketron should be proud.

Great job. Can't wait to try out that Sequencer.

< / Sarcasm >

James,

About that bet this thread going into 10 pages I'am stuffed now, OS4 out next Monday. No come to think of it, this thread needs to be kept open to report on the bugs in OS4.Bejabas and Begora, is that how it's spelt James? Probably not!

Cheers

My 2 cents, people should keep everything to this thread. If it's closed or someone turns around and opens a 4.0 is released thread, it's all just going to spill out across the forum, or a lot of the same old stuff will be said over and over again in order for people to make their point.

So my vote is to keep everything Audya and 4.0 to this thread.



Yep that's right. Must go now, my leprechaun is drunk again and fighting with my Donkey.

Regards
James

Now comes the bad news, I emailed a contact at Ketron, I can't give you his email, but this is his reply to me asking him when OS4 would be out.

Quote

Ciao Tony
As probably tell you…now is a matter of commercial deph . I believe they ‘ll wait a new 2010 planning schedule
Ciao
Marcello

Un-Quote

Now my suggestion about AJ 5 was right, 5 bloody weeks according to Marcello, Merry Christmas all you Audya lovers.

Cheers.

[This message has been edited by Tony Hughes (edited 12-11-2009).]

James, its you that said days, here AJ never mentioned days weeks or years is just stated 5. Do you know something we don't.

Regards

this thread is WAY too long already

we should definitely create a NEW one once 4.0 is out,,, and of course one will be created,

i mean it would not make sense to report bugs, and talk about OS4, on thread called "WHERE IS OS4"

enough of this i wanna hit 10 pages crap

lets keep these posts RELEVANT to the TOPIC,

in case you dont know,
"WHERE IS" will be OLD news once OS4 is out
"HERE" or "JUST RELEASED" or "OUT NOW" is PRESENT tense, NOW,

Leezone,

You are right new thread BUGS IN OS4.0 will do for me, and the 10 page crap was a joke!

But It got people talking.

Cheers LZ

And for all you triskadecaphobics, my birthday is on the 13th and many have fallen on a Friday. Just for the record, none has been a particularly bad day for me.

124 if many of your birthdays have fallen on a Friday HOW OLD ARE YOU? and normally you don't have bad birthdays whatever day they fall on, people send you cards and money and presents. All I want for my next birthday June 2010 is OS4 I know which will come first. In the UK we have saying, if your dial 999 for the police and order a Pizza the Pizza will come first!Bit similar to Audya updates. This Friday the 13th is it just UK fear or is it also USA.

Cheers Tony

Well, the short answer is, old enough to know better . But, same as anyone else, my birthday falls on a Friday ever seven years or so. A decent enough present for me would be a chance to even see a Ketron of any sort in this neck of the woods. Still at this time of the year I don't know if they'd work too well out here on the tundra, as I can't see from photographs where the antifreeze would go in . I think this 13th 'fear' thing is universal, not just in the UK or up here in the Great White North. Cheers!

124,

Some has a heated blanket that plugs into your car, that would do!

Cheers 124

Fear of Friday the 13th is simply a superstition, like walking under ladders, black cats crossing your path and breaking mirrors.
They are carry-overs from long ago when people weren't as smart as they are now.
DonM

Well it looks like weeks at this point.
What a freaking joke to start a countdown.

James

James,

Just goes to show AJ is not as clued up as we all thought. About the way that Ketron work I mean.

Ah well I wasn't planning on anything anyway, were you James, sure you know how Ketron work. Sloth is one of the 7 deadly sins.

Regards




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Count down or not, is'nt it better if it takes a couple of weeks (monthe/years) more rather
than release it too soon and still not where it should be when it first came to the shop?
Give them time to get it right this time.
But, will that happen before we see Audya II, or will it happen at all? Who knows, maybe
Santa Claus does.......

Cheers
GJ

Come on guys, Audya is clearly a work in progress, and I'm sure at some date we will be thanking the guys that put thier money on the line and buy one which enabes Ketron to develop the R&D necessary to get it right. whether it be Audya original or Audya 2, who cares, I've got time to wait and see the outcomes, no one is forcing you to spend the money if you don't want too.

Remember the outcomes of some fantastic developments are deffinately going to influence Kork Yamaha and Roland with respect to what they put up next as a competitor. So I see this as a win win situation for all

Robbo,

You are talking to people who have already bought Audya that's not finished I am not certain it was ever started, and BTW I don't want shares in Ketron thats what you are suggesting I've got, am I paying for the developement of a product, so Ketron can start thanking Tony, and Don, Skude, and 2 others who now have shares in Ketron, I can't remember seeing any share certificates in the box when I unpacked the KB, neither was there a backup disk, or a proper manual.

Cheers Robbo

Jonny,

You are OK you can sit and watch all this unfold, if it goes bad you don't need to buy an Audya, if it turns out to be the best thing since sliced bread you can go for it, do you think I have share in Ketron, I think I have now from what Robbo says, I have invested, I am just waiting for the return on my capital. What do you think AJ was doing when he said 5 to go and then 4 and now he's forgot 3 and 2 tomorrows 1, perhaps all Audyas go into self-destruct Monday! People will hear a few bangs that's all and that will be the end of it.

Honesty Tony, did you really think there would be any of the supplies you mention? Backup disk and
proper manual? To the very very low price you have to pay for Audya, I would not even think it was
delivered in a box nor supplied with power cable.

Yes, I can sit back and wait and see, and still have my money in the bank, but as you know, I sold
the SD1 while wait for the wondermachine, and after all the delays I thought it could be wise to
just hold on a little, first because of the price who is way beyond any other top arrangers in this
country, but also because I suspected that whatever reason to all the delays was not fully solved.
But believe me,
I'm still not scared away, I'm just waiting 'till I feel Audya is worth the price level they put it
into, or at least until we don't have to pay twice as much as the rest of you arrangerplayers around
the world.

Anyway, I agree that start countdown without any more info could have been undone, as you say, we
don't know if it's days, weeks or years to countdown.
But as all fairytales, it will end up good, someday .........

In the meantime, you still have your PA2X Pro, and I have my G-70, so I guess we'll manage to play
some X-Mas songs while Ketron engineers have to stay at work to get your Audya fixed.

Cheers
GJ

Jonny,

Don't think they will be working Exmas even if I am paying their wages.

Tony

Holy smokes, guys! I've been away for a week, and it's still the same old tune about the Audya.


I hope you guys get some satisfaction soon.

Ian

I'm getting satisfaction for four hours every night. It's a great machine, and will only get greater when the new OS is released.
By the way Tony, I finally figured out the "problem" of the screen displaying the style name but showing the wrong folder.
When you create a registration, it copies the style, song, text, or whatever into a separate file. So the display shows the name of the style that is stored in the registration, and also the last style folder you accessed BEFORE calling up the registration.
This system enables you to load an external style, song or text file into a registration and once it is loaded you no longer need to have the external media attached, as everything is stored in the registration memory. Evidently internal files are handled the say way. In fact, everything is "external" to the Audya as everything is called up from the hard drive. The registration is a true memory file, not just a set of directions. At least that is the way it appears to me. Maybe AJ can elaborate.
A by-product of this system is that the "family" from where the style might have originated is not shown, but rather the last style folder accessed.
Hope this makes sense.
DonM

Hi Don,

You are right about the folder and the mismatch, I knew a while back that it happened only when you save a registration, but I never got to the bottom of it, it’s still is confusing, it’s a bit like editing a voice if you just press edit you will not edit the voice you have open it will be the last one before that, I have always said a lot of Audya problems are people programming that don't use the KB, this happens a lot outside the KB market, any man/machine interface. Don is today the day according to AJ, sounds a bit biblical. Today is Day 5 if it is days, when the World comes to an end for Ketron, or is it just another fairy tale like Christmas, there is one thing for sure Jonny will not be having an Audya in his Christmas stocking? Don, AJ gone silent, in the UK we say he is like the sparrow that s***s and fly’s away, or some who farts in the lift, blames it one someone else when someone gets in. AJ might be right it may well be today and the factory haven’t got clue what’s going on. I don’t think they could release another pile of tosh they need to get it right this time or they will look like baboons.
My Audya still stood on it end, hope the oil doesn’t run out.


Tony

James,

Where are you, are you going to Italy for your Christmas holidays this year, got a trip booked around the factory, lucky is your middle name, please come back good buddy and read us all a nice fairy tale about the Audya, please,please, please James, we will be quiet, we promise. Tell us AJ got it right and it’s today!

Tony

I suppose AJ is enjoying the weekend away from work. I'm sure we will hear from him soon.
DonM

Still here watching and reading everything.

I'm just not posting so much on this OS4.0 thing because I get why they are trying to delay the release at this point. They simply want to push the date out as far as they can so they can pin the release on the back of the NAMM show as News which is the 14th of next month.

Free advertisement that helps turn things around in their eyes maybe since the world will be focused on the event.

Regards
James

quote:

Originally posted by Ketron_AJ;

Count down is at 4 ...

Unfortunately, I can't say much more ... (got in trouble for releasing the information I previously released already ...)

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[This message has been edited by necdetdoni (edited 12-14-2009).]

Tony!
Why don't you use the Audya? Is it because it "locks up" when you play it? Don plays his 4 hours every day, and I use mine just as much, and I have never had one "lock up" during playing, I have made over 200 regs. using lots of different sounds, I use the FS13 switch board and I'm stepping on those switches all the time, never let me down so far. What I mean, if it "locks up" for you all the time, there must be something wrong with you KB, some kind of problem that's not on my (or Don's)KB.
Just wondering. BTW can't quite figure out that "count down" thing.
skude

That just verifies what I said earlier.

You won't see anything until NAMM 2010, or the run up to the show.

In my opinion this will be used as the point KETRON will try to bury all the bad press the Audya has been getting though the free advertisement the show will generate world wide when the news and feature list of 4.0 is released.

Clever stuff really when you look at the contents of threads like this. There are people who will be sucked into all this instantly and all will be forgiven and forgotten by them.

Anyway.... a wait until NAMM it is then.

James

You totally make no sense and i am sorry that i am laughing at you. In simple English in your story in here
you just told everyone that it is right for Ketron to do that, to BORROW money from people to devellop the
machine right? On top of all, you have no problem with that? And you have time to wait???
One question but i know the answer, do you own one? NO!!! Thats why you have time, your pocket its not
5000$USD lighter, if it was you wouldnt be talking senseless %rap in here.

Hey Nedim Lighten Up, your correct I dont have one, but I have an SD3 (best drums and Bass ever) the reason I have not got an Audya, is I follow the advice given by many in this forum dont buy, i'll say it again don't buy until you have played, felt and time has proven that the purchase is what you expect.

My words of the previous post was to give hope to those who have already purchased the Audya that in the end, they will be vindicated in thier purchase. May have taken a while, but should be worth it. My biggest beef is not with the buggy things its more to do with the money ie $10k australian is not viable here, and i'm sure that if this board, even with its probs was around the $6kAus mark, we would have had a much quicker movement towards fixing some the ills.

R&D is expensive, and this would have been a great lesson for not only Ketron, but all manufacturers and developers, dont release until its right.

Even when the Nedim's of the world are screaming for it before its ready (hah,hah)

missing post, I'll re-type it later



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You guys are amazing,

you screamed for it to be released, oh where is it? I see it, when can we have it?, now they are not moving fast enough for you, well name me a company that R&D's every aspect of a product before release and let me tell you they do not exist! Think about it? Cars, Software, other keyboards and so on.

There are members here that are using the Audya quite effectively and not had lock ups and so on, so dont shoot the messenger.

What you will do with your negative posts is make it so that in future, they all wont tell us anything, and we may loose one or 2 players from the market place, less competitions means less features and higher prices, so hold on, have some patience, and I for one, hope that OS4 knocks your socks off, because then, all of your whinning would have been for nought.

Do I think its fair that you have paid for R&D, well its a fact of life, once again get over it. Everytime I buy a product I'm investing in R&D, so that the next release will be better and so on, I didn't say you should like it, just that's life. So don't be disheartened, we have all made mistakes before, lets give them a chance to redeem.

I neither work for Ketron or own an Audya, but if OS4 is a magic bullet I may do so.

Hi Robbo .

Can you please read the thread before you comment. Your bring the discussion back many pages by talking of things we have all moved on from. Your points make no scene at all in relation to what Nedim said, and to what we are talking about now.

The issues at hand are the state the keyboard was released in, ( NOT BUGS... its about the lack of entire systems) the state it still is in, and the fact that Ketron are doing all this off the backs of their paying customers in order to save a failed project.

A failed project from the point of view that many of the targest that Ketron set out to meet where never achieved. Again I woudn't have to say this if you had of read the thread.

Regards
James

Robbo,

You normally pay for RD and it's allready in the product, not RD after you have bought it. Robbo do you live down under, also who said it was a magic bullet, if we go with you there will still be RD in OS4.
I would buy a gun for the magic bullet and shoot yourself before you buy an Audya, wait for OS4, and then we will converse again in some depth.


Sorry Robbo

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[This message has been edited by Tony Hughes (edited 12-15-2009).]

Hello guys,

Just a couple of things, good robust discussion is always a good thing, we never want to feel that we cant express how we feel, I myself have made purchases in the past and felt just as mad as some of you who have bought the Audya, can I say I dont think that OS4 will be the last update, the "magic bullet" will be to get it to what it was touted as when we first heard about it 3 or 4 years ago, OS4 for Audya is probably just one of many. however if it fixes the main issues that you all have (which some dont, (funny thats like the Korg PA2X LED problem that the factory said wasn't a problem till many buyers came out of the woodwork reporting failed lights and so on, and they are made in Italy as well? mmmmm)

So yes I commissorate with you, yes I as well as you, hope that Ketron get it right if not before XMAS then at NAMM with the release of OS4, not just telling everyone about it, (as Korg once did), and wish you all a great and peace filled XMAS for this year and years to come, sorry if my words gave the wrong impression, NEDIM

Robbo,

Yes Ok I agree, but to compare the promises of Ketron with faulty LEDS is not a good comparison,Korg bought the Leds in good faith perhaps from China or Japan put them in their KB and they failed, that could happen to Audya, the Audya problem is sheer people who run Ketron incompetence, brass chinned, hard faced, p*** taking, there is no other explanation for it, if I bought a house in the UK and it was not finished the builder would come back and finish it.

Does anyone see this differently?